How Dare She

[THUNDER HANDS]

Seriously?

On the historic night a black man becomes a party's nominee for president, Hillary Clinton wants the spotlight too?



Guess what, Hillary. You got beaten by a guy with no pre-built organization, no long-term connections to the party, no experience running a nation-wide campaign, no rolodex of big-money donors.

You got beaten.

Step the fuck aside and let America soak in this moment.

Do NOT shit in the punchbowl.

Please.

[my2sense]

1. cosign

She has absolutely no class.

[Poll_Blind]

2. Well, maybe she looks at it this way: She was married to the first...

...black president who wasn't black and now she wants Bill to be married to the first woman president who wasn't president.

PB

[newmajority]

12. DUzy alert!!

How the hell do you nominate those things anyway?

[Blue-Jay]

36. Just click on the "DUzy" button.

It's right there on the lower left of your screen.

[niceypoo]

3. Will you ever let go of your anger?

Seriously, just let it go.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. you know what this is like

this is like someone coming to your wedding and proposing to their girlfriend.

It stinks. It's upstaging you and it's innappropriate, both to the nominee, and to the nation and world, which needs to see this moment in American history.

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. And to think--some people actually want Hillary as VP or on Obama's cabinet....

It would be like having a spoiled, petulent 3-year-old on board.

[JuniperLea]

33. Good GAWD! Just let it go FCOL!!!

The day she concedes someone is going to find fault with the words she used, the suit she wore, what she drank, the brand of toilet paper she used...

Until she concedes, she is still in the race and can do any goddamn thing she wants, no matter how it irritates the fuck out of you.

In some cultures it's customary, and considered good luck for the marriage of the bride and groom, for someone else to propose to their sweetie on their blessed day... just saying... perspective is everything.

In some cultures it's customary for the wedding guests to follow the happy couple home from the wedding with pots and drums... and to create a huge ruckus outside the new couple's bedroom window... until the man hangs the wedding pillow out the window to show his virgin wife's blood on the pillow case. In some cultures, it's customary for the bride and groom to "do it" on the alter after being proclaimed man and wife.

In politics, it's customary for all candidates to do anything they can to stay in the limelight until the concession speeches are made.

Welcome to American politics... even if you don't care for the Irish and Norwegian weddings.

[TexasObserver]

17. Seriously, stop being such a wet blanket.

If you can't get on board for this joyous, historic occasion, maybe it's a good night to go rearrange your sock drawer.

[rodeodance]

24. the wet blanket is the OP. What a whiner

[TexasObserver]

46. whiner

[Zavulon]

21. I won't.

I'm still not over her IWR vote and her refusal to admit it was a mistake, and quite frankly there's no reason I should be.

The RFK comment and then hiding behind Ted Kennedy's brain cancer during her pathetic spin? :puke:

Hillary Clinton is a selfish, destructive force that doesn't give a shit about anyone but Hillary Clinton. There are far more reasons to be pissed at her than to "just let it go."

Try imagining that all of her baggage came from a Republican and then YOU let it go, but with all due respect don't tell the rest of us who expect a lot better from a Democrat how to feel.

[Lerkfish]

51. will she ever concede?

seriously, just let her concede.

[rsmith6621]

5. K&R

for the pact the post is right to the point.

[Coexist]

6. interesting note from Matthews: Remember on Bush's inaugurations day

the Clinton's held an even at the airport.

I don't actually remember that -but he said they have a hard time letting go of the spotlight. Do you remember what happened?

[Lugnut]

11. I do.

They held a huge rally in an airport hangar before they actually left. At the time it felt to me as though Bill was trying to hang onto something that was over. Sounds familiar.

[Doremus]

28. I remember it.

He droned on for seemingly forever in an airport hangar preaching to his choir of cabinet members as if he kept talking he could stop time.

I remember thinking it was beneath his dignity.

I also remember being sad, very sad.

[K Gardner]

31. I remember that distinctly. Here's the transcript of CNN's coverage.. they had to do

a SPLIT SCREEN.. and it caused some havoc, as you can tell from the remarks, i.e. "This is UNPRECEDENTED"..

SHAW: Bob Hormats, you've served in the United States government before. You've been here on Inauguration Day. In the upper right- hand screen there we see former President Clinton and wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. If you -- well, I'll save that question, and let's go to this rostrum here where the Clintons are speaking.

(APPLAUSE)

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: Thank you all so much for coming out to welcome us.

And I want to thank the Freeport High School Band and the Beech Channel High School Band. Thank you both. Thanks everyone in the band for being here, both of the schools. We are so glad to see all of you, and happy to be here.

A lot of people made us feel very welcome, and I wish I could thank everybody in this crowd. I particularly want to thank the people who brought their signs, who reminded everybody that for eight years this president and administration put people first.

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: I want to thank Judith Hope and the state committee members of the New York Democratic Party, and Congressman Jerry Nadler and Congressman Fred Meeks; Senator Marty Connor and all the state senators and members of the assembly; the New York City Council and other elected officials; former Mayor David Dinkins; County Chair Tom Manton; New York City Public Advocate Mark Green; Dennis Hughes; Randy Weingarten; I want to thank the carpenters and teamsters and SEIU, the machinists and the aerospace workers, the New York City Central Labor.

WOODRUFF: Hillary Clinton -- Senator Hillary Clinton with her husband, the just exited the White House president and their daughter Chelsea.

SHAW: Look at this picture. Here she is speaking and he doesn't appear to have any interest in what she is saying. It seems as if his mind is back here in Washington. Look at the former president's face. And notice how Chelsea's eyes are following what mother is saying.

WOODRUFF: It is hard to know what's going on because we don't know what they're looking at. We can't see what's behind the camera.

GREENFIELD: Well, I just remembered -- there may be an old friend there. But one of Clinton's most devoted aides, was a former journalist, Sid Blumenthal wrote a book called "The Permanent Campaign," analyzing the whole new way that politics -- it never stops. There's no governance.

And I'm looking at this, and as we picked up the brief comments from Senator Clinton, it sounded like election night. I want to thank the teamsters. I want to thank the carpenters. I want to thank the head of the Democratic Party.

WOODRUFF: Head of the Democratic Party.

GREENFIELD: And it almost seems as if the title of the book is very prescient. I mean, it feels like we are in a permanent campaign.

SHAW: Now, the Bushes are coming out of the White House to join their in-laws and relatives and friends and parents in the presidential reviewing stand. They went into the White House to freshen up, and now they're coming out to watch the parade like everybody else. And by the way, as the parade passes the White House, we can look over our shoulders from our studio atop the Labor Department roof, and there are still hundreds and hundreds of marchers way back here on Third Street.

WOODRUFF: There's a still a lot more to come of this parade. And Bernie before we get further, I want to give apologies to -- or at least explanation to Bob Hormats, our guest who was talking to us a moment ago about the economy. We were in the middle of hearing from him.

SHAW: I was in the middle of asking a question.

WOODRUFF: You were in the middle of asking him a question. We should apologize to you, too.

SHAW: No, that's all right.

WOODRUFF: We skipped up to New York to hear what Mrs. Clinton was -- Senator Clinton was saying. This is the picture in front of the White House as the Bushes walk on a blue cover...

SHAW: And this is the...

WOODRUFF: ... you see they're not on the mud.

SHAW: I just want to point out, remember I told you about the leather football, that's the president's military aide. That officer who just cleared the picture, that has the nuclear codes in that briefcase, and that's why he was walking a couple steps ahead of the president. His new military aide. I think they're waiting to be formally announced. Excuse me for interrupting.

WOODRUFF: Well, that's fine. You did the right thing.

DALLEK: Can I go back to Jeff at some point?

WOODRUFF: Please do, as we watch the new president and the new first lady join friends and family. Go ahead.

DALLEK: Jeff, I think your point is so well taken, and that's why people don't like politics. They're very disillusioned with it and that's why people get so far when they announce, I'm not a politician. I'm outside of Washington because they become very tired of this constant campaigning and the polemics and the divisive rhetoric. So, I think it serves people who are lower key, so to speak, in their political posturing. GREENFIELD: It's just going -- I think it's going to be very interesting to see whether or not -- what the reaction is to what the Clintons did today, because it is unprecedented. There are people who have gone home and thanked people for turning out. That's true. But the -- kind of the presence throughout the day, you know, the first day of the new president, I think is going to raise some questions.

DALLEK: Jeff, the greatest politician in the 20th century, Franklin Roosevelt, 1940-'41. They pressed him very hard to go on radio (UNINTELLIGIBLE). He said, "I don't want to become a redundancy." He understand overexposure was not a great idea for a politician.

WOODRUFF: Well, the news media also makes decisions to cover these people. I mean, CNN, other news organizations made the decision to cover the Clinton departure, extended departure and remarks at Andrews Air Force Base. We and other news organizations made the decision to cover Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton landing in New York and making those statements.

SHAW: Well, they're part of the story, the inaugural, although the top billing usually goes to the incoming president and vice president.

Vindication for a former president, George Herbert Walker Bush, directly behind his son. You remember once during the campaign he threatened to take off the gloves if Bill Clinton said some bad things about his son, if he continued it. He was really ready to go.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0101/20/se.09.html

[Coexist]

32. thanks, all for the comments. I think I was still in a fetal position crying at that time.

[slinkerwink]

7. just let it go. We've already won. They know it.

[BuyingThyme]

8. How is this punch-bowl shitting manifesting itself?

[asthmaticeog]

14. Floating the VP trial balloon.

It's pure bullying. She injects it into the atmosphere, then when she doesn't get it (she won't -- her anti-Obama comments are ALREADY being used in GOP propaganda, her presence on the ticket would be a disaster) there's something ELSE for her zealots to cry about loudly and publicly.

[BuyingThyme]

20. She would be to Obama what Bush was to Reagan.

[Fly by night]

22. She would be to Obama what Cassius was to Caesar

"Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look. (S)he thinks too much. Such (people) are dangerous."

(With apologies to that other Willie, Shakespeare)

[izquierdista]

23. Don't you mean Brutus?

[Fly by night]

34. I thought it was Cassius who did the back-stabbing deed.

But hey, I'm no Shakespearean scholar. I can't even remember what role Brutus played.

(For a second there, I thought Brutus was Popeye's nemesis.)

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Totally agree she needs to stay off the limelight today

She won't cause she is doing a major TV speech tonight also..

[BattyDem]

10. K & R

:kick:

[helderheid]

13. exit stage right

[Marrah_G]

15. Wow---- But I thought it's not about race.................

I find your post repulsive.

[The Doctor.]

26. It's not about race and it IS historic. Pointing that out doesn't make it 'about race'.

[Mike L]

27. Your post makes absolutely no sense. em

[The Doctor.]

43. What is it that you don't understand? Why does comprehension escape you?

[Mike L]

48. Pointing out that Obama is the "first black nominee for president" is, by definition,

about race. The fact that he is black is the essence of the statement.

Why can't you understand that simple concept?

[The Doctor.]

49. No, it's not. It's just a simple historical fact.

Why does that escape you?

His candidacy has only been about race to the racists and some in the media.

It's simply an historical fact that he's the first 'African American' to run in a General Election for the Presidency... but race is not the point of his candidacy, nor is pointing that historical fact out 'making it about race'... because it's not. You want to try to claim that the whole of his candidacy is made into a 'race' issue just by pointing out one of it's facets?

You can't make that distinction?

Stop trying to start fights over your lack of comprehension.

Say what you will.

Good night.

[corkhead]

16. I am witholding judgement until I see for myself what she actually does tonight.

[Zavulon]

18. How many times does it need to be said?

Hillary Clinton does not give a flying fuck about ANYONE but Hillary Clinton.

Sorry, buddy, but she WILL shit in the punchbowl.

[BeyondGeography]

19. Aw, let her sit on the imaginary throne one more night

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. There is another way to look at this you know

Obama has even greater nights to look forward to; there is nothing like formally accepting the nomination of the Democratic Party for President of the United States on nation wide Television in front of thousands of screaming supporters from every corner of the nation. And then there is that moment when he gets ELECTED President. And then there is his first inauguration speech, and his first State of the Union Address.

Hillary Clinton will get none of that. Tonight is the finale of a very hard fought close race and she is the first woman in America to come within a whisker of running for President with a major party endorsement. Tonight is her final spotlight to thank the millions of Americans who voted for her, who worked for her, and who believed in her. The cameras stop rolling on the Clinton campaign after tonight, but it too was historic.

[stillcool]

30. Just this one night.

I don't think it's too much to ask. I called MSNBC and asked if they could limit Pat Buchanan's commentary for just this one night as well.

[az chela]

35. THIS IS BARACK'S NIGHT

[JuniperLea]

37. No, not until there is a concession speech

It's customary. Welcome to American politics.

[stillcool]

45. and it's 'our' night!

[Swamp Rat]

38. LOL! Thanks for warning me not to drink the punch.

:P

[Stagecoach]

39. To me, it's when she does her speech

It's obvious her speech will be first.....if she does it sometime in the 9p.m. Eastern hour, I'll have no problem with it. But if she waits until the 10p.m. Eastern hour and prevents Obama's speech from occurring during primetime TV I'll become a bit upset.

[Neecy]

40. it's annoyed me as well

Tonight should be Baracks, yet as usual the Clinton melodrama takes hold and it's all....about....Hillary.

But I'm not going to let it bother me - this is a night to celebrate!

[Genevieve]

41. How Dare She?

Nothing, and i do mean NOTHING she attempts to do to take away from Obama surprises me anymore

Her's and Bill's behavior is just so creepy.

[leftofcool]

42. Another Obama whiner

Why don't ya'll just get together and make one big post

[intaglio]

44. and that comment makes you

another Clinton weiner

If she wants VP she has to prove she is a TEAM player. You do know what a team is, don't you?

[apocalypsehow]

47. Well-said. n/t.

:thumbsup:

[D23MIURG23]

50. Pointless flamebait. And thats comming from an Obama supporter.