So Obama and Co. runs the numbers and finds Hillary best possible choice for VP..

[Bensthename]

I see it happening. Not that many Obama supporters would be happy with it but how many would not vote for Obama now after supporting him after a year and a half of backing him?

Before Obama can do anything he must beat McCain.

So Obama and team will draw up their list of names for possible VP. Then look at their pros and cons, analyze how many votes they may bring with them, and how that person would work as a VP.
Hillary as the VP pick will bring the max number of votes just for the fact her voting base right now is almost as large as Obama's. Watching these last couple of gen elections we all know how close the gen election can be. And priority number one for Obama must be to get a candidate that will help draw the most votes. Sure the GOP Hillary hate brigade will also bring lots out of the woods for the GOP but just raw numbers an Obama Hillary team would be unbeatable..


OK now bring on the normal Obama-Clinton flaiming...

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Many independants and young and first time voters would bolt. He promised change Was he joking?

edited to add..

What would be the upside of adding Hillary?

She doesn't bring him anymore electoral votes. She would lose him electoral votes. And it would appear that he was lying all that time.

[Bensthename]

6. They voted for him and they will continue if the want change.. McCain is anti-change...

Though I have thought the same thing..

[John Q. Citizen]

9. If Obama does that it will show he was just running on change as a cynical and calculated

means to win the nomination.

One doesn't turn the page by returning to the previous chapter, after all.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. LOL

you guys would support Hagel over Clinton, and call that "change".

It would be change to have an african-american and a woman on a ticket. It would be right in line wiht Obama's espoused political philosophy to team up with his opponent.

And of course she helps him electorally.

[cstanleytech]

32. They would still get change though.

As VP Hillary would really only have power if something were to happen to Obama but barring that all she would have would be what Obama allows her for the most part, she might not take it for that reason alone but then again she might.

[pbca]

2. I'm just reposting this from a similar post but

The GOP would have a field day with the attacks

Obama would lose alot of independents

Most Hillary supporters who won't vote for him without her on the ticket won't vote for her with him on the ticket either

and if she was VP the campaign would go on in the white house with her trying to get him out of the way so she can have her coronation.

Bad idea, no merits to it at all.

[blogslut]

3. Doubt it

Ain't gonna happen

[polichick]

4. If Obama chose Hillary, the movement would be OVER...

He would become just another sell-out politician with bad judgment.

[Adelante]

5. I vote for Obama no matter who else is on the ticket

That's his decision to make, not mine.

[Faygo Kid]

7. A bridge back to the 20th century? I don't think so.

She will now be a marginalized figure.

And it's well deserved, and hard earned.

[Snarkoleptic]

22. Seems a highly inappropriate location for a big smile and wave to the cameras.

She's utterly clueless.

[MercutioATC]

8. You're assuming that Obama and Clinton have different bases.

Yes, there are variances, but Obama doesn't need "Clinton's" base...he needs appeal to rural voters (something every Dem candidate needs).

There are better choices for this than Clinton. Brian Schweitzer, Governor of Montana, would be a great choice.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5308196622692748202

(link to Charlie Rose interview with Schweitzer

[John Q. Citizen]

12. Schwietzer is too new. He also doesn't play second fiddle so well.

[MercutioATC]

20. Obama was "too new" 18 months ago and look where we are now.

Schweitzer wouldn't even really have to "play second fiddle"...his strengths and Obama's are complementary, not duplicative.

[John Q. Citizen]

34. Actually Obama has a long record in elective office. Also, we aren't ready to share just yet.

We had 12 years of Repo rule, both state houses and the Gov.

We don't need to turn the Governorship back over to the Repos.

[MercutioATC]

35. I agree...that's why Schweitzer would be a great choice.

The only area in which he wouldn't provide a near-guaranteed win in November is experience...and I can't find an "experienced" VP that brings half as much to the table as he does.

[John Q. Citizen]

37. Richardson I think would be a better choice for a number of reasons. I can't tell why you want MT to

return to Repo control though.

We don't have a candidate to replace the gov.

[Bensthename]

13. Exactly, kinda.. their bases are different and would team together for massive number of votes

But ya that was what I was getting at. Bring the two different bases together for one gigantic team.

I will check out Schweitzer. Ive heard the name but not too familiar.

[high density]

10. Hillary as VP makes Obama look like a fool

And means it's time to shred all of those signs that say "change" on them. Time to print some that say "More of the same"

[sellitman]

11. She would galvanize the Fundies to vote.

And it wouldn't be for her.

Pass.

[dansolo]

14. There is one big con

The huge bullseye on his back if Hillary is the next in line for the presidency.

[Yotun]

15. The ticket would be a nightmare.The two DREAM candidates for the GOP to run against.The conservative

masses would go nuts in fear, and come out in droves to vote against it. The margins by which Obama lost Apallachia would still be lost- those people are anti-Obama, not pro-Hillary, and aren't voting for him despite her ticket position- he'll have more chance with a white male of winning them over. Independents and cross-over republicans would be disillusioned.

And I personally don't know if I would support that ticket.

[Buck Rabbit]

16. For every vote Hillary brings to the table, Bill costs him ten.

That is how I run the numbers.

[Lerkfish]

17. no hate, no flames, but This assumes several thing incorrectly.

1. it assumes that democrats will not vote for the nominee in november just because their preferred candidate did not make it to nominee. This is a false premise since if true, all primaries throughout history would have spelled the doom of the party.
2. it presumes that polling for a PRIMARY are analagous to GENERAL ELECTION voting, which is simply not true. The dynamics are vastly different, and are really close to an apple/orange comparison.
3. It presumes that preference for one candidate for president would be equal to preference for that candidate in the veep slot, which is a different position, role and responsibility, and assumes that balancing the ticket is not as important as putting both frontrunners on the ticket. Most people realize that the veep slot is vital in DIFFERENT ways than just rewarding the second place finisher.
4. it presumes that the second place finisher is even compatible with the nominee on issues, personally, or dynamically.

[Windy]

18. You may want to read the new Vanity Fair article that came out on Bill and Hill...

Its not going to happen. She has not been fully vetted and neither has her husband.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807

[YDogg]

25. i agree about the vetting.

[Snarkoleptic]

19. After the ugly campaign she ran, she looks more like the past than the future.

Obama abhors her inherent atavism and will bring in someone who represents change.

[Crunchy Frog]

21. I would vote for him, but I wouldn't expect him to win with that ticket.

The only way running the numbers would show Hillary as the best VP is using Clinton math.

[Andy823]

24. If this happened

And I don't think it will, it would only prove that Hillary still had enough money left to "buy" off those who would be "running the numbers" for Obama!:evilgrin:

Obama is way to smart to have her as his VP, way to smart!

[tpsbmam]

26. Oh hell, I voted for Gore and LIEBERMAN......

I can live with pretty much whomever Obama picks.

[MindMatter]

27. Stop wasting everybody's time with this crap

Off to the ignore bin with you.

[Spider Jerusalem]

28. Hillary would be an exceptionally stupid VP choice.

Consider the ready-made GOP attack ads. Hillary saying 'I have a lifetime of experience, Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience, and Senator Obaama has a speech he made in 2002.' Tagline: 'Even his own running mate thinks John McCain is more qualified to lead the country.' Trust me when I say that and that alone is more than enough to disqualify her from consideration. And if that (and all of her similar comments on the campaign trail) were not enough, she adds nothing demographically (Obama will not lose New York), addds nothing in terms of appeal to independents (and in fact is a polarising figure whose presence on a Democratic ticket would be repellent to many independents, and would energise a GOP base unenthusiastic about McCain), is viewed by a solid majority of the American electorate as slightly more trustworthy than Richard Nixon, and has a ceiling of 45% favourability with no floor. These qualities do not make for a good running mate, and one would have to seriously question Obama's judgment should Senator Clinton get the VP nod.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

29. Well then lets all join "Food Tasters for Obama"

Time to sign up, get under the big tent of food tasters:

Food Tasters for Obama Prepare for Ultimate Sacrifice

By Mark Wiznitzer - May 9th, 2008

Tuesday's primaries made Barack Obama the "presumptive nominee". Now there is increasing speculation that Hillary Clinton will be his running mate. But some pundits warn that Obama better watch his back should Hillary become his Vice President. Concern was heightened after Bill Clinton recently invited Barack Obama for tea with some of Vladimir Putin's "associates" at New York's famous Russian Tea Room.

The danger of having the Clintons, who know their way around the White House kitchen, too close for comfort has motivated some Obama supporters to launch a new group seeking to protect their candidate from any close encounters with a bad oyster. Die-hard Obama supporters now have the opportunity to serve and make the ultimate sacrifice by joining Food Tasters for Obama.

Regardless of the ultimate decision to allow such a courageous undertaking under the unofficial wing of the campaign's website, a number of enthusiastic supporters have already signaled their desire to build the cadre of committed tasters to supplement the secret service's work of protecting the President of the United States.

Greg G. in Burlington VT says he looks forward to enjoying wholesome foods prepared by outstanding White House chefs. "I've been trying for months to get away from all those leftovers reheated in the microwave," he exclaimed happily, "but it has been hard to do fine dining during the intense campaign these past few months." Hannah S. from San Diego CA, said she is excited to taste for Barack, although she does not like mushrooms. Joe P. from Pittsburgh PA, wants to make sure the group includes hard-working, white Americans and the foods they love, like meat and potatoes. "I wanna devote my sophisticated palate to da cause," he said, "and that ranges from Big Mac meals right through to meatloaf and garlic mash, and everything in between."

Food Tasters for Obama founder Mark W. from Arlington said the Obama food tent will be large, with room for every everyone. "We are fully inclusive and are sure there will be meaningful roles to play for supporters of all dietary persuasions. That includes kosher and halal, veggie and vegan, gluten- or peanut-free, and any other kind of food allergy. In fact, Steve J. from Norman OK, one of our most ardent members, is a lactose-inolerant soy latte drinker who stays awake all night thinking about getting started. I told him to switch to decaf until he gets the call."

...more at the link

[elfin]

30. NOOO - check out this referral

by another Duer - the ticket does not pass the "smell test" ala Bill's finances etc.

She should have ditched him long ago to run on her own.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/07/clinton200807

[IsItJustMe]

31. Only problem with your analysis is that Obama knows that if he did, he would have to sleep with one

eye open. That is a horrible way to have to live. Will he" No one knows but him at this point.

[TahitiNut]

33. Yeah. I can't wait to see how she scores on "No Drama." Uh-huh.

:eyes: :eyes:

[cbayer]

36. If his so-called supporters would question his very first major decision

as the nominee, things are not going to go well for him at all. All this second guessing is ridiculous. Who on this board knows more about why this is or is not a good decision than Obama and his team.

Those that would call him a fool, question his judgment and even threaten to abandon the party are not supporters at all. They are just Clinton haters. And those that continue to push the idea that he would need food tasters and to sleep with one eye open just sicken me.

[musicblind]

40. You are right

we will soon see who real the Obama supporters are... and who the Hillary haters are. Because they are NOT the same people.

[Yael]

38. How would he keep her on message? HIS message?

It would be an unmitigated disaster.

[leeroysphitz]

39. Nevermind about Clinton or the others. The VP pick is Webb.

It's very obvious. Southern, rural, anti-war appeal. Excellent military credentials. And, hell, he's already camaigning.

[gabby garcia]

41. but i dream of

Wexler.

just can't help myself.
gg

[CakeGrrl]

42. "Numbers" aren't the half of it. The problem is what happens *after* Obama wins the WH...

n/t