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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:58 AM
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Can A President Fire His VP?..........
I asking this question to determine if Obama does in fact pick Hilliary as his VP - if he has the ability to fire her should she step out of line; question his every move; undermine him; or if Bill interferes and creates problems for Obama.

Can he hold a 'firing' over her head to keep her in line?

Otherwise - why would he even take the chance that Hilliary could do his presidency damage?
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:00 AM
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1. Nope...
he is not appointed as a cabinet member, but elected as is the POTUS. The only remedy is impeachment or resignation...
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:01 AM
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4. I'm sure the President could ask him (or her) to resign. n/t
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:16 AM
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21. And he (or she) would just say "no".
That sort of resignation would be a *sob* betrayal *sob* of his (or her) devoted supporters *sob* *sob*.

He (or she) would think the president could resign and elevate the veep to his (or her) destined office.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:00 AM
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2. Of course. Then he chooses another, and gets Senate confirmation...
iirc.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:01 AM
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5. So much for my memory - HAH!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:01 AM
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7. umm... no
the president can't "fire" the VP.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:03 AM
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9. Yup - and I acknowledged the error immediately above your post.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:16 AM
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20. Vice Presidents are elected officials
not appointed. The Vice President has little official power though, so the President could just strip the Vice President of pretty much all of his power.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:04 AM
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11. It's not as simple as that. He can ask his VP to resign but the VP doesn't have to resign.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:09 AM
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16. 3rd time I've acknowledged the error...
Now I'm just curious how many times people will point it out. :P
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:29 AM
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27. I will point it out
if you want.

Let's see... BlooInBloo fucked up and it is the first time today. :rofl:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:32 AM
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29. lol! Nice to know you're always there for me!
:P
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:59 AM
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38. yeah bloo
what a gaffe :eyes:
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:00 AM
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3. No.
A Vice-President would either have to be impeached or resign in order to be removed from office.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:01 AM
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6. No, Please read our constitution. It should be made manditory for high school graduation.
Obama has run for a year and a half on "change" and on "new direction."

For that reason he can't put Clinton on his ticket and he won't. It would be political suicide.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:05 AM
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13. So should spelling.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 10:05 AM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: :P
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:12 AM
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18. And Obama's message
has gotten him a bit less than half the democratic primary voters and gotten his butt kicked in major state after major state that democrats MUST win. He's only ahead in pledge delegates because of winning by 15k votes in places like Idaho or a few hundred votes in places like Alaska, where democratics don't stand a chance of carrying the state. If he doesn't reach out and broaden his coalition and appeal to voters that his message has so far left cold, he'll be the next George McGovern (at worst) or Michael Dukakis (at best). Is that what you want? I hope your candidate is more of a realist than you.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:50 AM
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36. My candidate is a winner, yours is a loser. I'll take mine any day. I like winning.
I'm sure Obama will never appeal to you. You are in favor of an illusionary gas tax holiday. Obama is opposed.

You favor going to war in Iraq. Obama - opposed.

So, I'm not sure what Obama could do to appeal to you. Maybe a sex change operation?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:18 AM
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22. The Poster Made A Mistake
To err is human...To forgive takes a real cool guy like me...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:02 AM
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8. No, however
Edited on Wed May-28-08 10:02 AM by Jake3463
he can make their life a living hell.

:evilgrin:

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:03 AM
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10. But Conversely - She Could Make His Life A Living Hell Too....nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:08 AM
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14. Yes
However the VP has no access to budget allocations...wouldn't it be a shame if they forget to pay the bills for electricity at the Naval Observatory or for the VPs staff.

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SanchoPanza Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:24 AM
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25. Not nearly as much
The rights and prerogatives of the Vice President are very limited under the Constitution. In terms of a Vice President's ability to affect policy, outside being the tiebreaking vote in the Senate, the position relies very much upon the discretion of the President. In terms of a Vice President hamstringing the President via influence among the electorate or elected officials, we haven't really seen that in full force since Thomas Jefferon was John Adam's VP, and Jefferson was largely able to do what he did because of the way the President and Vice President were elected at the time (a single ballot, with the winner being elected President and the runner-up being Vice President, regardless of the party affiliation of the latter).
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:32 AM
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28. In A Sense Isn't That What The Dream Ticket Is All About?......
the runner up being made the VP.

If Hilliary is willing to take this all the way to Denver - if Bill is out lobbying for her to be VP - it seems like anything would be fair game for Hilliary particularly if she felt that she should have had the top spot.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:33 AM
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31. Her Budget
for her office and activities is dolled out by the White House. Hard to cause trouble when you have no paid staff or microphone.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:09 AM
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15. Imagine.
Four years of officiating at bridge openings in Alaska, and overseeing trade compacts with Belize.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:10 AM
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17. Oh the games that could be played
Sorry budget cuts...airforce two is now a Cesna prop plane.

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:04 AM
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12. No...
Edited on Wed May-28-08 10:05 AM by Hepburn
...VP is an elected government official and if grounds, only way to remove from office is to impeach.

Edit to add: Of course, VP can resign on his/her own, tho.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:12 AM
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19. no - impeachment is the only mechanism
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State the Obvious Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:19 AM
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23. NO Republican should be a Democrat's VP. nt
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:23 AM
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24. Ummm...not really...
A VP can't be fired, but if the president publicly asks for the veep's resignation, it could likely result in a resignation being offered.

To date, only Spiro Agnew and John C. Calhoun have resigned the office of VP. (1973 & 1832)

So, no.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:46 AM
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35. I was going to reference Agnew being forced to resign under Nixon
After he had taken office, charges surfaced in the State of Maryland on corruption. I believe it might have had something to do with taking bribes from developers while he was governor. He pleaded "no contest" - when the charges were finally heard.

I think it might not be that difficult if a POTUS really wanted his or her VP out to have a surrogate surreptitiously beat the drums of corruption on some avenue or another in the VP's past and force a resignation. Stranger things have happened in our government...and it does appear that Karl Rove might have played this game from time to time.

It is my hope, however, that the Dems are a cut above this type of maneuver. Hopefully, our candidates will make wise choices from the beginning.


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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:02 AM
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39. taxes
i think it was taxes initially
but that opened a financial can of worms
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:25 AM
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26. Most could ask them to resign, but since Cheney is not part of the Exec Branch,
he's probably safe.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:32 AM
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30. I don't think so....
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:34 AM
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32. The Vice President is an elected official. Most of the time.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:36 AM
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33. I'm surprised that anyone would need to ask that question.
Any high school civics student should know the answer to that one.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:06 AM
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40. I Just Wanted To Engage People Here At DU On This Subject....
and gauge the climate.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:37 AM
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34. The Veep must either resign or be impeached
and convicted, in order to be removed from office.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:52 AM
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37. No he/she can't fire them.
They can only be impeached since they are elected by the delegates of their party at the convention.
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