Wake up and face reality! She's not your "Magic Mommy" she has no special Day One powers

[roseBudd]

Throughout this process I have noticed an undercurrent to many of the HRC supportive posts that claim that only HRC can solve our problems. And that HRC is going to solve out problems on Day One.

The problems & issues this country faces are huge and it may be tempting to wish a Magic Mommy can make it all better like our own mothers did when we were small, but the reality is that the Obama model of change from the bottom up is the only way these problems have a realistic chance of being addressed.

Like Clinton's health plan better than Obama's? At this juncture, it's nothing but a distant possibility. Congress will be passing any legislation that ultimately shapes our future healthcare policy. Without bottom up demand for change we are unlikely to move forward on this issue.

We disparage Bush for comments regarding being a dictator or a decider. Well Magic Mommy Hillary does not have unique Super Hero powers. If she were to secure the nomination via SDs and if she were to beat McCain going toe to toe on experience and if she doesn't hurt the downticket congressional races that depend on loyal African American Democratic voters, and if she can manage to attract the young, independent and formerly Republican voters who currently support Obama, she will find herself in the same position as Bill Clinton. Being resisted by Republican members of Congress.


I don't want a Magic Mommy POTUS, I want a wise beyond his years and prescient seer, who understands POTUS is not a Super Hero, POTUS is a shepherd who points us to the door, and then WE, must decide whether we are going to walk through it.

[rock]

1. How's that "let's heal this rift between the two sides" going?

:)

[Darth_Kitten]

3. LOL

Some of these posts make me want to cry out for MY Mommy. ;) :evilgrin:

[roseBudd]

6. I can only take so many "OBAMA IS GOING TO LOSE 48 STATES!!!!" posts

I assume the 2 states these posters are giving him are NY & CA.

[nichomachus]

9. This is crap

So, this is the Hillbot response to criticisms of her. She can do anything she wants, her supporters can say anything they want, but if you criticize it, it's your fault for not "healing."

Bullcrap.

The OP is spot on. Hillary supporters keep telling us "She will do X" and "She will do Y."

Basically, she can propose anything she wants, but she will do what the corporations and their trained seals in Congress let her do. Period.

I don't think for a minute that Obama will do anything on his own either. But Obama is inspiring people to take action and organize to make things change. I don't know if that's possible at this point, but we have to try it.

Hillary is promising that she will come in and wave some magic wand and implement her "platform," and that's just bogus.

[roseBudd]

12. The resistance to anything that would come from Clinton as POTUS will likely lead to gridlock

Even if a particular member of congress is inclined to vote with the Democrats, the resistance to such a vote from the constituents of that particular member of congress will be automatic and perhaps overwhelming. People on the right tend to be very rigid in their positions.

[Occam Bandage]

2. "Clinton isn't magic, dummies. Obama is!"

You're right that Clinton has no special powers of any sort, and she won't make it all better.

You seem to imply, though, that Obama does and will.

[roseBudd]

4. Did you read what I wrote about bottom up model for change? Healthcare in America

will not change unless the insured join with the uninsured demanding change.

[truedelphi]

29. I hated the healthcare model in this country just as much

When I was insured as when I was uninsured.

Ironically now that I am the County welfare plan, my doctors are better than they were when I was paying $ 1000 a month to Kaiser.

[roseBudd]

34. I am a hard working latte liberal with a job in IT & employer provided health care but I still stand

for health care for all. Us latte liberals are like that.

[MindMatter]

19. The special power he has is honesty

Obama hasn't made any wild promises. In every speech, he is very clear that we need to make major changes and that the people have to bring about these changes, and the people have to make some real sacrifices to get it done.

That is not guarantee that his way will be successful. He is, after all, call for sweeping change in the business as usual -- the whole Washington culture that has given is people like the Clintons and McCain. These people won't give up their power easily.

[nichomachus]

20. Funny -- I didn't see that in the OP at all

Perhaps you're reading something into it -- and setting up a straw man.

[roguevalley]

27. you haven't read his op.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. A very thought-provoking little essay.

There's some rich material here that needs a bit of sorting out. GWB as strict father (think death penalty, etc.), Hill as Magic Mommy. Tweety on the Mommy and Daddy parties, etc.

People are scared at this juncture in history. Many want to retreat into more infantile developmental stages. The power of these unconscious, unspoken subtexts will be very great in this election.

[roseBudd]

7. I think an interesting example to ponder is GWB & privatization of SS

The resources expended on this issue were perhaps unprecedented, yet POTUS was denied because bottom up demand for privatization was not there.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. ...despite their best efforts to catapult the propaganda

and create a fear-driven demand.

A problem that keeps surfacing when I think in dysfunctional-family terms is how people are so afraid of the unknown that they will cling to an abuser. It's legendary among cops how when they go into a home to stop some guy from beating the crap out of his wife, both the guy and his wife will attack the cops.

[roseBudd]

39. I think many of HRCs low information voters are clinging to a manufacturing past that

does not require education beyond high school. In MI, Romney pandered, McCain did not, and the MI primary voters voted for the past.

[K Gardner]

8. There is certainly an element of that. :-)

[Swamp Rat]

10. The Rats have decided.

Time to feed Karl "Rat Fucker" Rove to the sharks. :)

[bigtree]

11. I remember all of the uproar over 'magic negro'. This sounds the same.

It's pathetic that you can't make your point in support of your candidate without ridiculing the opponent or her supporters.

[roseBudd]

13. "Empty Suit" & "Nothing But A Speech" ring any bells?

[Yael]

15. Ironically just posted this below. Anything about skies opening, lights coming down ring a bell?

Edit -- meant to respond to Bigtree.

[roseBudd]

25. I think none of the Obama insults on this forum are more disparaging than Empty Suit

And the empty suit talking point could not be further from the truth. Obama has not achieved what he achieved as a result of shirt tails or legacy admissions.

[bigtree]

18. so you want to justify your own bigotry by pointing to what you believe is others'

you are responsible for your own behavior

[roseBudd]

21. Coming from someone who uses 3 OPs a day to bash Obama that is rich

[bigtree]

32. HEY, BIG SHOT. Find ONE thread or post from me 'bashing' Obama

ONE. goddamnit.

[Yael]

14. The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will sing....

Its projection at its finest.

[dcindian]

16. Of course she is ready on day one.

Just not ready for anything past February 5th.

[roseBudd]

22. The numerous mistakes her campaign has made certainly undercut the readiness & competence argument

[kentuck]

23. She is a puppet on a string...

Pull the string and watch her vote to invade Iraq. Pull the string and watch her give Mr Bush a green light to invade Iran. Pull a string and watch her do whatever she is told to do. She cannot think for herself.

[Radical Activist]

24. Its dangerous to expect one leader to solve all our problems for us.

Its ironic that Clinton supporters accuse Obama supporters of wanting someone to solve all of their problems. Obama is the one who tells us we need a popular movement while Clinton tells us that we need her, and only her.

[roseBudd]

26. But, here is my caveat. POTUS is SCOTUS nominations, any Democratic POTUS

will not nominate a Scalito, but any Democratic POTUS will need bipartisan support to confirm a SCOTUS.

[Window]

28. K/R.

:kick:

[The Stranger]

30. May whatever gods there be save us from Hillary.

She gives new meaning to the word curse.

[SwampG8r]

31. can you edit it so it says

independent and formerly republican voters
instead of
young, independent and formerly Republican voters?

im not young but im independent and all about some obama


and i am not the only old independent saying that

[roseBudd]

35. actually I meant 3 groups Obama is attracting young (first time voters), independents of any age &

disffected moderate republicans. These are voters outside of the traditional base that we need in November.

AND most important of all these are important voters to attract for the future Democratic majority that will last a generation.

[SwampG8r]

36. oh......

ok then

[emilyg]

33. The skinny guy isn't magic either.

[roseBudd]

38. If you read my OP you can see i stated there is no magic, POTUS is but 1 coequal branch

and without bottom up demand for change, no POTUS will be able to address these very real problems that will require bills being passed by both the House & the Senate.

Rather I said Obama is but the seer who points out the door. It is up to us whether we let go of our fears and walk through it.

Morpheus: I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. The best thing about Obama is that he offers the possibility of change.

Then, the people might just believe that something other than politics-as-usual is possible and demand those changes.

Hillary and the DLC only offers pandering to the right (aka - triangulation) and claiming that it's progress.

[ensho]

40. to begin with, is there such a thing as a "Magic Mommy"?

nt

[roseBudd]

41. Only when you are 3 & fall down & get a boo boo & she blows on it for you

And in your 3 year old mind it does make it better