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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:01 PM
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Thank GOD Hillary is still in the race! Thank GOD!!!!
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:03 PM by BigBearJohn
or the denizens of DU would have NOTHING to talk about! Jeesh.


A typical day on GD-P:









I guess if you want to be loved on DU, you better NOT love Hillary.

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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:04 PM
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1. certainly you don't condone what she did today... and her lack of an apology to Obama and his family
in addition to the Kennedys...
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:18 PM
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15. Just another lump of coal on the fire. You don't need a reason to hate her. Just hate her.
You simply don't like her.
Plain & Simple.
God halp ANYONE who gets between you and your man.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:24 AM
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45. you amaze me. you diss obama day and night but refuse to allow
that someone might not like her. you never tell us why you hate obama, you just run him down. yet if someone expresses disgust over her antics -Tuzla for instance, you mitigate, alibi and attack. Look in the mirror.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:13 PM
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40. Faux outrage
is a hallmark of the worst of the right wing and GOP.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:19 AM
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43. it amazes me the lack of something, I don't know what it is that some
people have. apparently, they didn't live through enough political murder. Its all that really stands out in my earliest memories. fuck anyone who mitigates, glosses over or jokes this off. you are without conscience.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:07 PM
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2. Hillary Clinton as Joan of Arc? No.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:12 PM
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9. Hillary of Ark(ansas)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:22 PM
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18. Tell your ma, tell your pa, I'm gonna send you back to Arkansas
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:08 PM
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3. SOME people are trying to understand by articulating their OWN sense of what has happened.I'm sorry
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:13 PM by patrice
that doesn't meet with your standards, but I, for one, will defend people's right to find their own Voice.

Yes there ARE limits in speech, just like those that we feel about what HC said, and I DO demark those limits when I read certain types of things. But your characterization is unfair and counter to the growth and cognitive development of the those who are at a serious disadvantage against the Voice$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of the Power$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that Be.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:09 PM
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4. No, they would just be tending to their red bellied piranhas


humming.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:16 PM
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11. Is that yours? What's its name?
:hide:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:22 PM
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19. sniffa.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:39 PM
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30. How does sniffa feel about bein a pirahna? nt
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:42 PM
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33. You'll have to ask him.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:23 PM
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20. I'm assuming that is not a reference to moi.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:10 PM
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5. Vile.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:10 PM
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6. Hagee's god?
:puke:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:11 PM
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7. BTW, BigBear, the IWR makes US the "St. Joan" with a flag instead of a cross - not HC. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:12 PM
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8. Sad
Your candidate says the most despicle thing and you claim she's being martyred. Very sad.

You guys were the real cult all along.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM
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10. BigBearJohn ... I still love you.
:hug:

Your candidate didn't do well today. Love you anyway.


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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:17 PM
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12. I'll second that motion. nt
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:27 PM
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25. Thank you so much. This too shall pass (I hope). Hugs to you..
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:35 PM
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29. Yeah, we NEED to get beyond this and get down to the work of doing what needs to be done.
Solidarity, BigBearJohn!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:46 PM
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34. All this hatred is not doing anybody any good. Hate is the acid that dissolves the container that
holds it.

I don't hate Obama and I don't hate Hillary.

Oh well, I think it would probably be better
to just leave DU until the primary is over.
I can't take all this hate.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:58 PM
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37. I don't hate Hillary either. It must be hard for you to see some of this stuff.
I know I don't like it when people say things about John Edwards. I also do not fight them, because that's what they WANT in the worst way. What they dislike the most is being turned into 0s, i.e. non-existent.

I try not to give the haters too much energy, but I do alert on them sometimes. I've also called a few of them out, but I don't go into specific forums much, because I don't my focus narrowed to these internecine struggles. Some of these folk are not Real supporters of either candidate and I do not want to dance to their tune. I want to do my own thing.

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:10 PM
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39. You bring up some great points. Thanks for sharing.
I'm glad I talked to you.

:toast:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:27 PM
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42. Welcome. Thanks for the beer!!
:toast:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:26 PM
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22. Alas! A voice of reason. Just so you know -- the feeling is mutual.
:hug:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:17 PM
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13. That's right. She such a martyr.
I'm tired of the victim nonsense. She victimized herself.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:17 PM
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14. The 2nd pic: Is that Bill and Hillary preparing lunch?
:D

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:19 PM
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16. Bring me a match
She is throwing a lit match at a gas can and waiting to see what happens.

She is intentionally playing with fire and everyone from coast to coast knows it and recognizes it for what it is.

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:21 PM
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17. I guess it just depends on WHO YOU want to love YOU.
The HRC backers have plenty of love, WE just don't like to waste IT!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:28 PM
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27. Aw c'mon. You can be more hurtful than that. Try harder.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:24 PM
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21. Awe.......poor bigbearjohn...can't handle the heat...You crucified Obama with Wright so...just sayin
Hypocrite much?
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:30 PM
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28. Just sayin'... All these people I thought were my friends on DU -- now trash me like I'm a piece of
Edited on Fri May-23-08 08:36 PM by BigBearJohn
shit. So sad. Thought this place was a refuge from the madness.
Don't worry. My days here will soon be over. When I think of
all the hours, days, weeks and years I put into this place.

Sigh.

Not seeking sympathy. Just talking to myself, I guess.

Enjoy your hatred. Funny thing is, I don't hate you.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:26 PM
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23. Yeah Really! Especially if the..
"catastrophic event" should come to pass. What's wrong with hoping for the best possible scenario for her to achieve the nomination?

Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO

Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200805...



Sun May 11, 2008

Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination.
But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinto...


CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination

May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and thats a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. Thats not much to hang a hat on but its starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too, Trippi said. I dont think theres any way now for her to gain the nomination. Shes at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. I think theres lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there, he said. But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like its damaging the nominee I dont think there will be any tolerance for that at all.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main...
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:27 PM
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24. You got it. Any more questions?
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:27 PM
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26. Thank god some of us are sooo above the fray.
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masshole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:40 PM
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31. maybe that's the problem
Too many people are here to find validation, to feel included.
Maybe instead of looking for "love" here, you should be looking for information and the perspectives of others.

"Freedom of speech and freedom of action are meaningless without freedom to think. And there is no freedom of thought without doubt." Bergen Evans
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:50 PM
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35. I didn't come here for validation. I came here to be among kindrid spirits.
Maybe I should have rephrased the part about love.

I think people should be able to hold discourse
without vile attacks. There is such a thing as
rational discussion. I never ever hated any of
the people I know here, simply because they support
Obama and I don't. Yet -- I have been sorely
attacked by people here for my support of Hillary.

You know, there are a few million people who support
Hillary too.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:41 PM
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32. In some ways I think your right
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:53 PM
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36. She did this to herself. Why is that so hard to see? nt
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:07 PM
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38. You are 100% right. Yet, somehow I feel that all these reasons are just convenient excuses.
When the truth is, a lot of people just can't stand her.

There is such a thing as "personality differences."

Some people adore Obama -- others don't. Same for Hillary.

Here's a shocker:
I don't adore Hillary. Never have. I don't even
like her that much. But -- I think she would do a
great job as President. I don't like my boss at work
either. Yet, he does a brilliant job of managing the company.

If only I could be convinced that Obama could actually
win the general election, I would switch over to his side.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:20 PM
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41. Well I was a Kucinich gal, then Edwards then undecided
so I've been disappointed several times. Obama isn't perfect but I do think he'll win in November.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:20 AM
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44. This thread TOPIC is truly BIZARRE on so many levels. eom
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