I just don't think these Hillary supporters get it, nor care if McCain is president

[Divine Discontent]

It's really a bit understated (as hard as that is to believe, but I believe it to be true), that we're talking about a BLACK MAN being the nominee for the Democratic Party for president - that in of itself is Earth-shattering enough, and for me at least, that fact has gone beyond my thinking for some time because I'm not a racist. But, with each state with a high amount of 'rednecks', that votes and supports her in the DEMOCRATIC primary by a near 2-to-1 number, the glaring fact that his skin tone has an effect really sends a wakeup call to me.

But, the Clinton backers who believe she should stick this out are almost blinded by her rhetoric, and refuse to see that the longer she stays, in her failed attempt to win the vote of the elected delegates from each state's primary, and now the super delegates, the more likely John McSame will become president, because of the massiveness of the fact - we are so close to having a black man be in the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who's actually there to sit behind the desk, instead of sweeping the floor.

Thirty or Forty point wins in West Virginia and Kentucky aren't things to be proud of when in bigger states they are closer contests - it smacks of the obvious - "I ain't voting for no ni**er!", so I wouldn't be bragging about those wins, and I would just accept if I was a Hillary backer that she narrowly lost and would have got behind our nominee weeks ago.

Someone voting AGAINST someone because of what they look like is a far greater questionable act than someone voting for someone for what they see in similarity to themselves. Obama does very well against McCain in Colorado (ahead), Nevada, Indiana (tie), South Carolina, North Dakota, even Arizona, and other states that, by putting them in play, make McCain's chances weaker as he puts money into holding the leads in some states, and battling in others he would easily beat Hillary in.

Yet, these truths, verified by polling, mean little, however, when you have such a well known former first lady, running around the country clamoring that the votes aren't being counted, the votes aren't being counted!! On top of that, the former president, backs up her desperate demands for the popular vote total that she's accumulated in the primary battle to count for something, and thus, they make an already obvious situation much more challenging when our own party's leaders are swirling the storms of racist-tinged reference points like she has the support of "hard working white voters". Although, that isn't necessarily always the case (see Oregon and Iowa for example, the first and most recent primary battles).

Obama is going to be our nominee and it's going to be a challenge to get the vote out to override the racists and have our first leader who just happens to be not a white guy - all of that is a fact. Something that remains to be seen after the first week in June is whether it's fact that Hillary Clinton is in this for herself - or for Americans as a whole. The Clinton legacy as "leaders" who fought hard for everyone's rights as best as they could, considering the walls they were facing, hinges on her choices in the next couple weeks - history will be watching.






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[NanceGreggs]

1. K&R!

And, yes, history will be watching.

[maddiejoan]

2. Question for ya

How many times will Hillary have to say she" will stand behind the Democratic nominee" and urges her supporters "to do the same" will be enough for you?

Because she pretty much does this every time she opens her mouth for a speech.

[Divine Discontent]

7. If I could draw a political cartoon I'd make one right now with HRC holding a bunch of knives behind

her back with one hand, and a crap load of them in Barack's back with him with a shocked looked on his face, and Hillary holding up his arm and yelling -

"I'm voting for this guy who I don't believe is a Muslim, and all of my white hard-working supporters should, too, despite that thing I said about him not being as good as McCain, and being no more than a speech!".

I appreciate what you're saying maddie, and it's my hope she accepts fact for what the numbers show, and stops helping those who don't care about us. She has every right to do as she wants, she's Hillary Clinton - but she's on the verge of hurting our chances irreparably, or already has... I'm just voicing my concern. Take care...

[Raven]

3. These are good people and they want what is best for this country.

They will come around after the disappointment eases. It is very hard to support a candidate with all your heart and see that candidate lose. I truly believe that in a quiet, thoughtful moment when they are thinking about their childrens' and grandchildrens' future and when they realize how truly awful it will be if McCain gets in, they will do the right thing.

After all we're all on the same side and, as my mother used to say when my brothers and I fought with eachother "Stop that! You are all that you've got!"

[Divine Discontent]

12. "you're all that you've got!" amen

I swallowed my sadness about John Edwards ending his campaign, and after about a month or two, realized Barack was better for change than Hillary. Hillary's campaigning also played into my decision. I wonder how many people like me there are...

[ColesCountyDem]

13. Well said!

:hi:

[iamjoy]

4. I Empathize With Them

I empathize with Clinton and her supporters, even though I prefer Obama.

It would be so much easier if Hillary Clinton weren't a woman and if there hadn't been so much sexism from the Hillary haters and pundits - and yes, some Obama supporters. I don't think that last group means it at all, they are just expressing frustration with the process and some of Hillary's own below the belt hits. Most of the pundits probably don't even realize they are feeding sexism when they talk about her cleavage or say things like "Hillary is shrill" and "Men hear their wives nagging to 'take out the trash'". And there are a lot of the Hillary haters have always hated her because they can't stand a strong woman - but guess what, they aren't going for Obama either.

Because Hillary is a woman, many of her supporters (often women over 50 who went through the equal rights battles) have personalized her struggle. They remember a less qualified man getting the job. They remember being sexually harassed, either subtly or overtly and not being able to do anything about it. When Obama supporters obnoxiously crow and the pundits join in the course for her to step down, for them it is another instance of a woman being told to get out of the way for a man. And for many of these women (and the men who went through their own journey from chauvinism to progressivism) they feel this is their best chance to see a woman break the final glass ceiling - and if it doesn't happen now, it probably won't happen in their lifetimes.

I think they need time to recover (which, ironically adds to the anxiety of Obama supporters to have this resolved sooner rather than later) and to consider that while Hillary's defeat would be largely symbolic in terms of the women's movement, a McCain victory would have very definitive and tangible negative consequences for the women of the future.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. best post i have read in gdp in a while.

[Divine Discontent]

10. I pray you're right

I see it as a double-edged sword, we're facing two people who are judged by society for either being 'female' or black', and so I appreciate your words. Your final point is a strong rallying cry against McCain...

[Window]

5. K/R for truth.

:kick:

[monmouth]

8. It's like those Bush twenty-eight percenters.....sigh..n/t

[BootinUp]

9. 1) We want to win. 2) We don't want to make nice with repukes.

[SlipperySlope]

11. A McCain presidency is in Hillary's best interests.

If Hillary doesn't get the Democratic nomination then a McCain presidency is the second best possible outcome.

This would leave Hillary clear to run again in 2012.

If Obama gets the presidency, Hillary cannot run against him in 2012. If he wins re-election in 2012, Hillary cannot run against his vice-president in 2016.

An Obama presidency just creates too many unknowns, and Hillary doesn't want to wait for 2020. Better to sabotage Obama then let him win, if the party fails to nominate her as foreseen.

The only tricky part for Hillary is destroying Obama without making it obvious. She knows that she can only be president as long as she manipulates the party into supporting her, and she knows she won't be forgiven if she obviously throws Obama under the bus, so she has to say one thing and do another.

[eridani]

14. There is a great deal of overlap between the following two groups

1. Those who won't vote for Obama because he's black
2. Those who won't vote for Clinton because she's a woman.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. And Obama fans just don't get

that he hasn't won yet. The race is still going.

Stop demanding a coronation and let the process play out.

[1776Forever]

16. Hillary has to have some big money behind her or how else could she go on??

Hillary has to have some big money behind her or how else could she go on?? And why don't her supporters question where the over $100 mil that we know of came from in 7 years short years? Oh that's right - just a little payment to Bill for speeches and book deals. Right, over 100 million for them!!

There are many of us on DU that have placed posts on the Ruler of Dubai, the Saudis, the outsourcing to India and the East Indian influence of millions and millions of $$$$ given to the Clinton's for speeches! Come on! And then there is the job that was "given" to Chelsea on a hedge fund as a favor to the Clinton's! How outrageous!! And yet the "working" middle class is behind her because she and Bill aren't elitist!! Give me a break!!

Does she or her supporters ever think about the hate they are building up in the country over rediculous crap that they are making up just to win. How negative can she go????

By the way, saw on Hardball tonight over $2 and a half million went to Penn's firm last month from HRC campaign. Good way to waste money in my opinion!!!

Makes me sick!
:argh:

[Divine Discontent]

17. the Clintons money trail of who and what for, their wealth arose is always a story unto itself EOM

[Divine Discontent]

18. and I think that trial may doom them anyhow... eom