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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:46 AM
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Where was Hillary standing up for FL and MI voters 6 months ago?
Edited on Thu May-22-08 10:48 AM by LSK
When she did not need their votes? Where was she then???

Before you say where was Obama, I don't see Obama comparing the votes of FL and MI voters to civil rights era or the founding of this country.

Like everything else about her, this is something she suddenly cares about ONLY when its important to HER chances of becoming President.

Nothing matters to her except the Presidency. She is displaying the ultimate bloodthirsty quest for power.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 10:59 AM
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1. He would be if he were trailing. nt
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:06 AM
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2. or he might have dropped out, so you dont know that
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:17 AM
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5. Yeah, maybe, but I doubt it. nt
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:19 AM
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7. why do you doubt it? what has he said to indicate this to you?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:29 AM
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14. Every damn thing he's said from the moment he's started running.
If you haven't seen his lies, his slanders, his dirty campaigning, then nothing I say will show it to you. From his early days when he claimed to be a new type of politician but anonymously released attacks on Clinton and Edwards to the media, to his outright funneling of corporate and PAC money through his own PAC into the campaigns of superdelegates and other candidates who then either pledged or endorsed him, to his days of telling voters he was going to withdraw from NAFTA and bring the troops home within 16 months while having his advisers assure foreign governments that he was just political posturing...

This guy will break your heart.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:39 AM
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17. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
What evidence do you have that he is funneling corporate money into campaigns for Superdelegates (I didnt know you needed money to call Superdelegates)???

That NAFTA story was DEBUNKED and Hillary's campaign actually did that.

What about bringing troops home in 16 months??? Who said he wouldnt???

:wtf:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:09 PM
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22. Sorry, I'm not. But there's not much point anymore, is there?
Just google, it's all there. What's the point. He's won. The party is dead.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:19 PM
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23. If you think the party is dead - why the hell post here anymore?
Your right to believe what you will, but many of us intend to carry on the fight to the real enemy this fall. The time now is to build unity, not fear.

Believe me, the Dem party is more alive then it has been for years - and the kickin we do will be all those pukes we boot out of office in the GE!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:45 PM
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26. Lies...
he has never said he supported withdrawing from NAFTA. And from his website:
Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.


Now this shit broke my heart....


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark
By JAKE TAPPER
Dec. 13, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3992371&page=1
Bill Shaheen, the Clinton campaign's New Hampshire co-chair, stepped down Thursday one day after publicly raising the issue of the youthful drug use of her chief opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

Shaheen, the husband of a former New Hampshire governor and an influential Democrat, was a constant presence by Clinton's side whenever she campaigned in the Granite State, where recent polls have her and Obama in a dead heat for first in that first-in-the-nation primary state.

Hours after the Wednesday release of a CNN/WMUR poll showing Obama in a statistical tie with Clinton for the first time among New Hampshire Democratic voters, Shaheen told The Washington Post that should Obama get the nomination, "one of the things Republicans are certainly going to jump on is his drug use."

Shaheen said Obama having been so open -- as opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further queries on the matter.
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On Sunday, a second Clinton staffer -- Linda Olson, an Iowa County volunteer coordinator, who followed Jones County coordinator Judy Rose -- was asked to resign after reporters discovered she had forwarded an e-mail repeating the scurrilous allegation that Obama, a member of the United Curch of Christ, is a Muslim plant.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary Supporter Cuomo: Obama Tried To "Shuck And Jive" With Media
The Hillary campaign might have their own surrogate with foot-in-mouth syndrome who they'll have to deal with. During an appearance yesterday on talk radio -- at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears -- New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words about Barack Obama that have a very troublesome racial history.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," he added. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

The phrase "shuck and jive" refers to mischievous blacks behaving innocently in the presence of an authority figure, so as to lie and get out of trouble.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-uscuom0111,0,5229216.story


Lies on Tape
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Top 9 Lies to Voters on the Campaign Trail
#1 Bill Clinton lied to voters at their rallies and said he had been opposed to the Iraq war from the start.

#2 Hillary Clinton lied and said she had been opposed to NAFTA. After an advocacy group sued to have her First Lady records released, it was revealed that she had supported and advocated for NAFTA.

#3 Hillary Clinton lied to voters about a trip to Bosnia claiming she was running for cover and did not attend a greeting ceremony.

#4 Bill Clinton lied to voters about Barack Obama’s Iraq record.

#5 Bill Clinton just completely made up a story to supporters about Obama dismissing the 90s.

#6 Hillary Clinton said she was instrumental in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland.


#7 Hillary Clinton lied to Iowa and New Hampshire voters about whether she would try to count the Florida and Michigan primaries.

#8 Hillary Clinton lied at one of her rallies and said she began criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did.

#9 On April 21, Bill Clinton said “I think they played the race card on me” of the Obama campaign. The next day when an NBC reporter asked Clinton, “Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?” Clinton claimed that he didn’t make that statement.

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:19 AM
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8. He wouldn't have had to. The media would have treated him like they do most other candidates
and just started ignoring him long ago.

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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:21 AM
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11. ah, thoughts of an alternate history
Just leave them at the door, there is no point in discussing alternate realities here. We have enough to worry about with our reality.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:08 AM
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3. He has more class than to put himself over his party.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:20 AM
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10. Heh. Bookmark that comment, then look at it in a couple of years.
Dude's gone from liberal to conservative to progressive, from black to white to black, from common man to elite, from "new type of politician" to "I'm modeling my campaign after Ronald Reagan..."

You see a stage image, and don't realize it's make-up.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:41 AM
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18. you sure like to misquote stuff a lot
When did he ever say he was modeling his campaign after Reagan?

When did he ever claim to be an elite?

Black to white to black??

:wtf:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:57 PM
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20. You're making that up. Every bit of it.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:11 AM
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4. She is even comparing it to Zimbabwe
Edited on Thu May-22-08 11:12 AM by CatsDogsBabies
This in itself is evidence that she is not fit to be POTUS.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:19 AM
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9. Indeed.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:18 AM
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6. she didnt give a shit
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:22 AM
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12. It's too transparent for anyone to believe. She was all for the rules until they went against her.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:29 AM
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13. She's a flip flopper. eom
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:30 AM
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15. Do you doubt Hillary's sincerity???
To me, she is a true American civil rights hero. I am not being sarcastic. Not one little bit. Not one teeny weeny little bit.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:36 AM
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16. i guess it is still too early to dump my ignore list.
like so many twisted talking points, hill & co are on the other side now that it suits her.
either a liar or delusional. either way- bushette.
can't believe her fan club is still up and running here.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:18 PM
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19. the primaries hadn't been held yet 6 mos ago... n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:58 PM
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21. She didn't care about votes in 2000 and 2004 when they counted most.
All she cares about is Florida and Michigan and it's got zero to do with voting rights and everything to do with winning by any means.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:25 PM
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24. Here's where she stood on it then ......
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:36 PM
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25. Here's another question to ponder.
If Obama gains enough delegates to pass Hillary's 2210 number do you think she'll still be talking about seating MI & FL?
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