Why doesn't Hillary repudiate and reject her racist supporters?

[GihrenZabi]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/05/21/ec.seg.gergen.cnn

I think Gergen makes an excellent statement here...and I wonder if others would pick up the refrain.
The press is giving her a pass on this, and she needs to be called on it.

[KAZ]

1. K&R Gergen nailed it.

[Forkboy]

2. She's too busy sucking up to them.

[Swamp Rat]

19. Here they come Forkboy

look down-thread

[Forkboy]

28. Wish I could say I'm surprised.

But I'd be lying.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Um, that's the diametric opposite of her strategy.

[Swamp Rat]

4. Southern Strategy

[wvbygod]

5. Obama needs to do the same then

Why only expect Hillary to do it? Obama has his own set of racist supporters that are quietly dismissed.

[Texas Hill Country]

9. yup... agreed.

[Swamp Rat]

13. Gonna jump on the band wagon?

Good luck! :hi:

[Texas Hill Country]

22. thanks, i appreciate your well wishes.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Equivocating? Good luck if you want to attack African Americans here.

:hi:

[KAZ]

18. I can't even reply to some of them. I'm just thankful we're behind..

.. our respective keyboards, and not in the same room.

[Swamp Rat]

23. You got dat rite!

After what happened to us in New Orleans, I LEARNED A HARD LESSON about this country and its people, even those who call themselves "Democrats."

[TahitiNut]

31. !

:hug: :pals: :hug:

[Swamp Rat]

40. Way'at TahitiNut!

:hi: :hug:

I can't wait until I get my computer fixed, and have access to Photoshop again. :evilgrin:

[wvbygod]

41. or what? You really think only Hillary supporters can be racist?

What makes you think no Obama supporters share the same thought as the accused Hillary supporters?

[Swamp Rat]

44. FYI, we burn Straw Man arguments on DU quite often.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[bigtree]

53. you imagine you burn arguments.

air five

[Swamp Rat]

54. LOLOL!!!!!!

[TahitiNut]

47. You really think the sun rises in the west? You really think the moon is made of green cheese?

See? Anybody can spew baseless accusations in the form of questions. Get thee to a logician!

[Name removed]

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[DearAbby]

93. ......

[wvbygod]

39. You saying only Hillary supporters can be racist?

It works both ways no matter how much you may ignore it.

[Swamp Rat]

42. What an audacious fallacious statement... next.

[otohara]

20. Fear vs Pride

come on, you know the difference between the two - the white folks in KY & WV harbor racist views. AA's voting for Obama do not hold racist views towards whites, especially when you factor in at the beginning Hillary had, according to the polls a wide margin of AA support because of their love for the Clinton's. Then Bill opened his mouth in SC and it went downhill after that.

[NJObamaWoman]

37. Its not just that. HRC and her entire camp has done ZERO to appeal to Blacks!!!

I'm black and while I was proud of Obama being AA and running I was equally proud of Clinton. That was back in early Jan. when I felt that no matter who got the nomination I would vote for them because it would be a clean fight.

People continue to forget that HRC camp has said a lot of awful things in terms of race. Throughout Nevada her camp was stating that Latinos wont vote for a Black. Hell it felt as if they marvelled in it because they knew with that block in Nevada they could win. Now tell me as a black woman when the media and HRC camp continue to talk about that constantly ....how does that no hurt ones feelings? How does that not make me angry that a Dem candidate who is suppose to be about civil rights is delighted to recieve votes and a win due to racism against blacks.

Thats when it started for me.

[Mimosa]

88. NJObamaWoman, I'm 'me tooing' your post

I'm not black but I agree with you 100%. Many of my close friends are black and I lived in NOLA for 18 years. I'm more accustomed to having a sense for racism which is like some people's 'gaydar.'

When Obama started winning the HRC strategists knew they needed to tap into the kind of voters who are not comfortable with and don't trust black people. They know exactly what messages they are sending and to whom. Hillary herself said 'hardworking people, white people.' When I heard that I went through the roof. 'Like blacks don't work hard?' I yelled.

[crankychatter]

27. Obama has no racist supporters - jeezus fucking christ - do YOU read?

Racism is the belief in the genetic superiority of, or inferiority of one race.

There are is no racism originating in the African American community in the public discourse. I'd venture to say there NEVER has been, EVER.

You need to take that bullshit back to West Virginia... crawl into that ethnocentric hole, turn on the light, and read some goddamned history.

[KAZ]

46. Brav-FN-o. Great post Cranky.

[wvbygod]

50. soon as you explain why a percentage of Obama voters chose race as their reason for voting Obama

Then maybe you can get your yes men to understand it too.

[crankychatter]

58. Black people voted for Clinton overwhelmingly until Obama proved himself

she fucked up

live with it

race has little or nothing to do with WHY AAs are supporting Obama

No one is more critical of BLACK leadership than BLACK people

you're a lightweight

[Swamp Rat]

60. Exactly

Now check out our new visitor squirm above.

[MethuenProgressive]

63. Black people voted for Clinton overwhelmingly until Obama Swiftboated the Clintons on race.

Quite successfully, too.

[Swamp Rat]

65. African Americans switched their vote to Obama after they and Obama were swiftboated by the Clintons

THAT is why your candidate lost.

Deal with it.

[Name removed]

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[NJObamaWoman]

29. who are these racist supporters?

[polmaven]

34. As well as

his sexist supporters.

[Swamp Rat]

38. Wrong topic. We're talking about RACISM.

Also a worthy topic for discussion, there are dozens of threads on 'sexism' in this forum right now.

[Kittycat]

6. They're her base?

I mean look at Ferraro - she's a champion of the 80's woman, what they all wanted their daughters to grow up to be like. Funny thing about that though. Their daughters grew up and are supporting Obama, while they cling to Ferraro & Clinton. One who makes openly makes racist/bigoted remarks - while the other touts those voters as something to be proud to have on her side.

[Independent-Voter]

10. Exactly!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

69. It's a sad reflection of how so many Second Wave feminists haven't learned

They are still locked in this perception that all women are white and that all people of color are male and never the twain shall meet. They seem mystified that younger people and African Americans are rejecting Hillary Clinton's message. I'm horribly disappointed in the behavior of people like Ferraro, and feminist icons like Gloria Steinem and Robin Morgan. Acknowledging racism does not mean you must ignore sexism, or vice versa.

[AtomicKitten]

7. she calls them her base

[ecstatic]

8. She better not even bother to say it now... when it doesn't even matter anymore

Her refusal to take a principled stand WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERS has been shown time and time again.

[Zachstar]

12. Hit the nail right on the head!!

[Swamp Rat]

14. All hell is about to break loose on this thread.

:popcorn:

[crankychatter]

32. pissed ME off, I'll tell ya

:-)

[Swamp Rat]

36. I've seen members of the KKK make similar, equivocating arguments before.

This is nothing new to me, as I can spot it miles away.

[IndianaJones]

15. same reason Obama doesn't repudiate his bigot supporters..they are a large portion of the base.nt

[Swamp Rat]

17. Calling "large portion of the base," African American bigots?

Let's see how far you will take this.

[NJObamaWoman]

25. This black woman wants you to define who these bigots are?

[SeaLyons]

45. ....

why don't you define who HRC's bigots are??? The whole issue is ridiculous. Bigotry exists in this country! Just because Obama is running for President, it does not mean bigotry miraculously disappeared.

If HRC is expected to repudiate, then so is Obama.

[NJObamaWoman]

49. Oh darling I'm not scared to say who I feel those bigots are.

My cousin goes to school in Kent. she's had the N word tossed at her and she doesn't leave the campus to go out around town after sundown. Hell she's had people tell her and her friends not to come to their parts after sundown. Its so bad that she doesn't work for fear of being at the wrong place at the wrong time and flies to Florida just to party in a more friendly environment. It breaks my aunts heart to send her daughter to school paying high ass tuition and be scared that she will be attacked. This is why she is leaving this school to move back down to Florida.

I’m not saying all Appalachian people are racist. But a good portion of those people aren’t friendly to my race. If you really want to talk about bigotry, Obama and his supporters. Lets talk about the fact that most of those same supporters have supported the white man and even white woman who for political office in the past. How many of those special "working class whites" have done the same for Blacks running for office?

[SeaLyons]

61. ...

Yes, like I said, bigotry exists. I hate that, but I don't think HRC can be expected to repudiate anyone in her base that will not vote for Obama based on his race, anymore than Obama should be expected to condemn those that won't vote for HRC based on her race. It is what it is.

[Swamp Rat]

64. The simple fact that she did not repudiate racists lost her some of the African American vote.

Just look at the number of her African American supporters at the beginning of the year, and compare them to now. Notice what happens during the early part of February (if you have access to poll data - I'd post a link but my computer is broken, and I have no links on this one).

[SeaLyons]

72. Oh well, I guess

Hillary is just a useless failure - she doesn't do anything right... :sarcasm:

Not to worry - when Obama get's elected, he's going to "Change the World". I'm sure everything wrong will become right.

[Swamp Rat]

75. You better hope he does, or else we are ALL fucked, like we were here in New Orleans.

Remember that? Now, think about it coming to YOUR town and neighborhood.

[SeaLyons]

79. Hillary would know exactly what to do, and would be there

immediately to help.....Obama is not better than Hillary.

[Swamp Rat]

80. I agree

I expect the same treatment no matter who is our Dem nomiee, and would hold either of them equally accountable.

[Raineyb]

84. Where exactly are these so called people who are not voting for HRC because of her race?

Just a small suggestion, you might want to put the crack pipe down before you type up such nonsense.

Where are the people who are saying they wouldn't vote for HRC because she's white? Do they exist anywhere besides in your head?

Do you have tape of black people saying that they won't vote for a white person? No, but we sure as hell video of white people saying that they won't vote for a black man.

Obama's been forced to repudiate Farrakhan who he's not even been allied with yet HRC actively courts the racist vote and Obama has repudiation to do? The attempt to equate HRC's racist supporters with Obama's supporters is ridiculous.

I've said this before but it bears repeating. Black people have been voting for white candidates for as long as we've been able to vote. We've even been known to vote for white candidates instead of black candidates running for the same office. And yet when we vote for a black candidate instead of the white candidate it's because we're racist?

No sweetie, I don't think so. Please refrain from projecting your race issues onto us.

It looks to me that for some so called Democrats, black people voting for a democratic candidate in the 90+% range appears to be just fine with them as long as it's the candidate they support. Now we use our numbers to vote for a candidate you don't like and it's suddenly racist.

I call bullshit.

Regards

edited to run spell check

[union_maid]

91. Why not?

She should repudiate the sentiment, clearly, rather than pointing out that "hard working white Americans" are suppporting her. With that, she not only embraces the racist sentiment, but also kind of excuses it. After all, they're hard working, they're lower income, they're the salt of the earth. Pay no attention to the white hoods.

[EffieBlack]

26. Your evidence?

[malik flavors]

16. I remember when that old hispanice activist in Texas said she wouldn't vote for Obama...

because he was black, and Hillary said peopele can vote for whatever reasons they like. I was pretty disappointed in her for that.

[NJObamaWoman]

21. Remember Nevada when her pollster said that they weren't worried

because Latinos WONT vote for a black.

This is nothing new and thats why I will never cast a vote for her.

[ErinBerin84]

24. it was RIGHT after her "denounce AND reject" thing at the debate

and then after Hillary said that in response to the activist, her camp later issued a statement "Hillary did not understand what the local news outlet that asked her the question was referring to, she had not seen the quote." Um, Hillary, that's when you ASK the local news what the quote was, before you comment on it.

[GihrenZabi]

30. There's no comparison

Until you see some sort of exit polling, specific to blacks, whose results state that said voters "would not vote for a white person over a black person," you have no leg to stand on comparing Obama's black supporters and Hillary's racist white supporters.

It's a desperate attempt to deflect the criticism of Hillary's campaign, which no one can deny.

Perhaps if blacks had NOT voted Democratic overwhelmingly for the last two decades, and perhaps if blacks had NOT voted overwhelmingly for Bill Clinton and Gore, then you might have the beginnings of a leg to stand on making the argument that Obama has racist supporters to repudiate - but they did, so you don't.

Hillary has women supporting her because she is a woman trying to raise the bar on what a woman can achieve politically. Obama has blacks supporting him because he is a black man trying to raise the bar on what a black man can achieve politically. I begrudge neither set of supporters because I don't blame them, or think there is anything wrong with what they are doing. While I would argue that Hillary's female supporters supporting her solely on that stance are doing themselves a disservice at this point now that Hillary has lost, I still understand it.

But neither of these groups hold anything in common with Hillary's blatantly racist supporters in blue-collar, poor, undereducated states like West Virginia and Kentucky. These people are not supporting Hillary because she is Hillary - they are supporting Hillary because Obama is black. "Race is an issue." What the hell do you think that exit polling question MEANS?

Anyone trying to argue that Obama has anything along these lines to repudiate is either a stinging Hillbot or just very, very ignorant.

[ShortnFiery]

33. Because second to BITTER older women (who seemingly hate men) they are HER Base.

:crazy:

[Renaissance Man]

35. Obama's supporters are bigots?

To even place Sen. Obama's supporters even within the realm of racism or bigotry is patently false.

[MethuenProgressive]

57. The homophobic ones that support Donnie McClurkin aren't bigots?

What, if you Hate in the Name of Obama it isn't Hate?

[Solon]

59. Gays aren't real people that suffer discrimination, hell even the mods think that...

This board is overrun with these assholes.

[Swamp Rat]

62. LOL!

There you go again. :dunce:

[Solon]

66. What the fuck is so funny about that?

What a fucking pathetic piece of shit you are. Fuck this, I'm going to work.

[Swamp Rat]

68. Hey Solon, no need to call me horrible names.

You have no idea why I am laughing.

Btw, we New Orleans were treated like "fucking pathetic pieces of shit."

Don't even start with me.

[PVnRT]

73. I'm sure all those white working class voters are marching in gay pride parades

[Straight Shooter]

76. I'm sure we won't see you or Obama marching in one of them, but Hillary has.

June, 2002, State Senator Liz Krueger and US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at the 2002 Gay Pride Parade.



Feel free to Google, there are plenty other pics depicting Hillary's advocacy of gay rights.

[ecstatic]

78. a homophobic person would NOT embrace McClurkin

Most people had no clue of McClurkin's sexuality before that concert. But if it makes you feel better to think that all blacks are homophobic bigots, then by all means... continue. :eyes:

[Lady-Damai]

43. Why should she?!

In her opinion working class racist white voters are worth more in GE than other voters. THEY COUNT...WE DON'T!!

[Solon]

51. Frankly, I think Hillary is being a race-baiting asshole, but to be consistent, you should...

ask Obama to repudiate his homophobic supporters and not ask for their votes as well.

[bigtree]

52. same reason Obama isn't being made to account for the racists and sexists

. . . who say they support him. What a crock of shit. The argument for months from the Obama camp has been that he shouldn't be made to account for what his friends and supporters say. NOW you want to force Clinton to account for what every yahoo who say they support her says or does. What utter bullshit. Cheap, transparent politics. And you use a republican to promote this argument. Pathetic.

[Swamp Rat]

56. Say "hi" to Karl Rove from President Obama.

:D

[bigtree]

86. you're getting off supposing I wouldn't like Obama as president. You're being an idiot.

. . . and a total asshole at that.

Clinton-Obama are two sides of the same Democratic coin. Most folks see that.

Have fun with your little fantasies.

[Swamp Rat]

92. You drew 'first blood.'

"you imagine you burn arguments. air five" - That last insult was one too many, so I responded.

Up until today, I had been respectful to you and your pro-Hillary threads, often recommending them, even though you were sometimes rude to Obama supporters in their threads.

No more.

So I'm an "idiot" and a "total asshole." Ok, I will remember your words and your opinion of me for future reference.

[bigtree]

96. I don't think you're an idiot and an asshole

It gets stupid in here sometimes. I just apologize. No clever defense this time.

('cept' the air five thing was just silliness, not trying to be mean)

[Swamp Rat]

97. Ok

I apologise for taking you too seriuosly too. :D

We are on the same side, right? :pals:

[bigtree]

98. in this election against McCain

damn right we're on the same side

[wowimthere]

55. because like her, maybe some media types are just like her... bigotted even racist. Pat B?

[greguganus]

67. Because they are her base. n/t

[dchill]

70. "Why doesn't Hillary repudiate..."

Because that's something the best candidate would do. And she's NOT the best candidate. If anyone here hasn't bothered to watch the linked video, do it.

[PoliticalAmazon]

71. Because she's used them as she needed and no longer needs them. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

77. Obama's campaign stance regarding McClurkin: "We got what we needed to get out of it"

But Obama didn't listen to us, and "after the tour when asked why the campaign would seemingly reject gay voters for far-right leaning blacks a campaign insider replied, 'We got what we needed to get out of it.'"

http://www.247gay.com/article.cfm?section=66&id=18497

Ironic, isn't it?

[billyoc]

81. What, and disenfranchise them?

:rofl:

[FredScuttle]

82. Come now....you call them "racist"

Hillary calls them "my base"

[mmonk]

83. Lack of character.

The kind of lack of character that makes her a poor representative of our party at the highest level.

[apocalypsehow]

85. Because she wouldn't win any primaries if she didn't pander to the KKK vote. She needs those "hard

working white Americans" to take their pointy hats & white sheets off long enough to cast a ballot for her in the primaries.

[TexasObserver]

87. without them, Hillary is just another also-ran

She owes the racists and Rush voters her wins in several states.

[tmoore411]

89. Why doesn't Obama reject his ??? n/t

[HooptieWagon]

90. Because she's giving them their talking points. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

94. Why doesn't Obama repudiate and reject his sexist supporters? n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

95. Because they are all fair, impartial, well-educated, and progressive......

They don't hate or resent bitter old women, er, snarly old hags, er, uneducated old witches, etc, etc........

:crazy: