If you add up the attendance at Hillary's last 15 events, it doesn't reach 75,000.....

[scheming daemons]

Yesterday in Oregon showed a level of excitement for a campaign that has not been matched in generations.


Hillary folks.... sorry... you just can't compete with that.


Obama is our nominee. Get on board, or miss out on history in the making.

[patrice]

1. I thought that "crowd" behind her in KY tonight seemed a little thin. nt

[populistdriven]

2. Who is Hillary?

Is she that former presidential candidate? Bless her heart.

Remember how competitive of a race it was?

[scheming daemons]

3. Hillary Duff? Nah... people actually show up at her events....

[LisaM]

20. OK, that's at least three threads I've seen today where you've post this exact thing

Not sure what your point is.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. LOL, I thought it was just me

I keep seeing that same reply again and again.

[VotesForWomen]

4. and O has outspent hill quite a bit, but she's still got almost as many votes as he does. go figure.

[scheming daemons]

10. Not really... Her campaign has spent about 200 million.... his has spent about 240 million....

And she had name recognition that didn't need to be bought.... he had to force himself onto the consciousness of America.

[hokies4ever]

13. Sorry she doesn't understand how to run a campaign

She started off the race with a BIG headstart in just about everything except for common sense and management skills. Now she'll be working her heart out campaigning for Obama in November. :rofl:

[Tesha]

16. If he's out-spending her, it's because he's now *OUT-FUND-RAISING* her by a huge margin.

That means something too. ;)

Tesha

[rocktivity]

33. You can't help but outspend someone who's at least $20 million in debt.

And since it's prevented Hillary from getting her inevitable big state blowout victory, I think it's money WELL spent.

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

41. It ain't working.

Just a heads up.

[FARAFIELD]

5. Maybe if you ADD in her caucus voters as well

But on the other hand she doesnt count those

[AZ Criminal JD]

6. Hillary doesn't get the cult followers.

There are plenty in the U.S. She does get the votes, however. She has won far more votes in the states that Democrats must carry in November than Obama has. Facts are facts.

[Liberal Gramma]

7. Facts are facts

She has won more votes in states that Democrats WILL carry in November. He brings some new states into play. He's the better candidate against McCain.

[AZ Criminal JD]

8. Exactly the opposite.

She wins in Ohio and Florida and Obama loses according to current polls. McCain puts Oregon and Washington into play if Obama is the nominee and Clinton easily beats him there.

[Liberal Gramma]

9. I don't know where you live, but I'm from the Pacific NW

and there is NO way Obama loses to McCain in Wa and Or. The brilliance of the 50 state election strategy is that we can win without Florida and Ohio if necessary. He is not only the more electable candidate but after tomorrow, he is THE candidate.

[AZ Criminal JD]

17. When you are a cult follower you say things like this.

I am a political realist. I look at voting trends, demographics, and polling trends. To say McCain doesn't have a chance in Oregon or Washington is foolish when you examine polls in those states. Just because your friends are all Obamabots doesn't mean the voting population of the state agrees with you. I am sure you have driven away anyone who has thoughts different than you. That is trait you share with others in the cult.

[Arugula Latte]

22. You are a deluded imbecile if you think Oregon and Wash. will go for McCain.

Seriously. Get a grip. There is ZERO chance of that happening.

Obama is far, far stronger here against McCain than Hillary, but even she could pull a win out here.

Oh, and, by the way, the cult thing was so clever the first 5,000 times you guys used it...Grow up...

[AZ Criminal JD]

24. When I see people open mouthed and fainting at Obama rallies

It is a cult. When I see people defend the Rev. Wright even after Obama has thrown him into the garbage can I know it is a cult.

[roguevalley]

44. when I see such open hostility to Obama I see racism.

[roguevalley]

43. you are completely full of crap. NO WAY IN HELL does McCAIN

have a chance in Washington or Oregon. Go back to your hut until you know what you're talking about.
oh, Alabamans don't live in huts? Hmm. I guess I don't know much about Alabama, only what I hear on the radio and teevee. Sound familiar?

[ecdab]

12. You may want to check the poll numbers in Oregon and Washington

prior to making such an odd claim.

http://www.pollster.com/

Oregon - Clinton 46.4 McCain 42.5 Obama 52.0 McCain 39.1

Washington - Clinton 47.6 McCain 44 Obama 52.4 McCain 41.3

McCain is also ahead of Hillary in Florida according to the latest polling.

But more important than any of that is that history bears out time and again how little GE polls matter this far out.

[hokies4ever]

14. You're just pulling stuff out of thin air right now

You're not even trying to sound credible anymore.

[AZ Criminal JD]

18. When talking to the Jim Jones crowd

It is difficult to sound credible. Reason does not fit well with insanity.

[ecdab]

19. So incorrectly stating polling data is your idea of reason? Odd.

[AZ Criminal JD]

25. I haven't incorrectly stated anything.

I have seen current polls. I know from the past how those polls have changed as move toward November. That is reason.

[Arugula Latte]

29. It wasn't close with Kerry-Bush here in '04.

It certainly won't be close with Obama-McCain in '08. Obama will wipe the floor with McCain in the Northwest.

You don't have a clue.

[AZ Criminal JD]

30. What do you call close?

Oregon 2004 Kerry: 51%
Bush 48%

Oregon 2000 Gore 46.9%
Bush 46.5%

I and most sane people would call both those very close.

It looks like you are the one who doesn't have a clue.

[roguevalley]

46. You have never been to these two states if you think that dickwad

has a snowball's chance.

[ecdab]

37. Uh - yeah. So you were stating your opinion of what the polls will be at

some future date as opposed to what the polls actually say. That's nice.

It should be noted that your opinions of what the polls will state at some future date are not supported at all by what the polls actually state, nor is there any reason what so ever to believe McCain would be able to compete against Obama in the north west, and every reason to believe he would be able to compete against Hillary there - which is the opposite of what your "opinion" is.

Reason generally has something to do with having a reasonable opinion - you don't seem to have one of those.

[anigbrowl]

26. Every time someone challenges your opinion or weak data, you accuse them of being a cult member

Nice rhetorical flourishes, but that will only carry you for so long without evidence to back them up.

[AZ Criminal JD]

31. I post evidence all over the place including the past election results

In OR and WA. I never see a reply with any evidence from Obama supporters. That is a sign of faith which is dangerous with a politician.

[ecdab]

38. I posted the polling data above - I guess you didn't see that.

You on the other hand posted your opinion of what the polling data would be at some future date. Which is a sign of faith that is dangerous?

[roguevalley]

47. watch tonight. you will see. as for polls, they are crap. Who would

have said hillary would be THIRD in Iowa?

[eridani]

15. McCain couldn't get elected dogcatcher in WA after that Airbus deal n/t

[roguevalley]

42. obviously, as an Alabaman and Southerner, you don't know dick

about the Pacific Northwest and Oregon and Washington. McCain has a snowball's chance in hell to take either. Read. It will help your arguments. Clinton beats him there? In what dimension? You are nuts. Obama is going to take her head off.

[stillcool]

28. you mean California and New York..

will vote for McCain if Clinton isn't the nominee? Too funny.

[AZ Criminal JD]

32. You have a reading comprehension problem.

I never said that. I am not worried about NY or CA. I am worried about the major swing states of which Obama has won none.

[haymakeragain]

34. Thanks for your concern, but to have any validity whatsoever,

you need to provide some proof that Obama will not get nearly all of Hillary's voters, and will not get many cross-over republicans who are fed up, and while your at it, please include the MASSIVE Democratic turnouts in your conclusions.

thanks in advance and especially thanks for your concern.

[stillcool]

35. and you think the General Election..

is the same as a primary? Oh, what the hell. What difference does it make? You will continue to push anything to make Hillary look electable, and I will continue to deny your allegations. I'm sick of it. Say whatever you want.

[roguevalley]

40. yeah, i hear she will get puerto rico. too bad they can't vote in the

general election. shucks. in places that don't matter in november, she is queen.

[ruby slippers]

11. unless you use Hillary's math....2 + 2 = 7

[MGKrebs]

21. That was a good thing when it was Edwards.

[anigbrowl]

23. I had this hilarious argumen with a Republican in Portland

(on another message board) He insisted that there's always 75,000 people in the park on a hot day (after first denying it was so many), and said they just created the illusion of a big crowd because everyone was forced to go through a single gate at the head of the park. According to him, most of the crowd was actually trying to get down to have fun by the waterfront and Obama was terribly irresponsible for clogging up the people's park when all they wanted to do was cool off next to the water.

I invited him to send me some photos from this weekend showing 75,000 people int eh park but he just kept abusing me and saying I didn't know anything about Portland, and how much Obama had fucked up the parking and traffic situation, while continuing to insist that people had stood in line for hours because they really wanted to enjoy the park, not come to hear Obama. Finally I brought up a map and pointed out that there were two other riverfront parks about a mile to the south which were actually larger :-)

[Texas Hill Country]

27. kerry gathered similar crowds.... in Oregon

[haymakeragain]

36. In the primary?

Got any photos or links?

[OzarkDem]

45. Popular votes count, not crowds

Thats the only currency of any value on election day in November.