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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:29 PM
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McAuliffe shouted down at CO Dem convention....10,000 were there!
I think that is just amazing. Congratulations to a state that gets a turnout like that.


Governor Bill Ritter opens convention. Photo by Tom Boyd

I think many in that state support Clinton, and they were loving McAuliffe's speech.....until he said that Hillary was leading in the popular vote. Oooops...that did not go over well.

McAuliff shouted down at Colorado Democratic Convention

McAuliffe, Hillary Clintons campaign chair, spoke to a crowd of about 10,000 at the Colorado Democratic Convention in Colorado Springs May 17, but it wasnt long before his speech was interrupted by the overwhelming chants of a raucous crowd.

Things were going smoothly for McAuliffe at first as he praised Clinton and said, Its time for a woman to be president, but the crowd erupted into its loudest shouts match of the day when McAuliffe claimed that Clinton currently holds the lead the popular vote.

McAuliffe seemed to revel in the uproar he caused when he stated that, according to the current popular vote, Clinton had roughly 17 million votes to Obamas 16 million. These numbers could only have been reached by including the Florida and Michigan votes.

Even then, the numbers seem inaccurate. Including Michigan and Florida, Clinton has 15.1 million to Obama's 15 million. Without Michigan and Florida, Obama has 14.4 million to Clinton's 13.9 million. Neither total includes the caucus states, which voted overwhelmingly in favor of Obama.

Puzzled, or perhaps angered, by his statements, Obama supporters chanted, O-BAMA, O-BAMA, for about two minutes before McAuliffe could be heard shouting I love your enthusiasm! into the microphone.


He was good-natured about it, though. He really needs to work on his figures, though.

Controlled chaos at the convention

Although Obama won the statewide democratic caucus 66.6 percent to 32.3 percent on Feb. 5, support for Clinton seemed quite strong during McAuliffes speech.

It became clear that Obama had the greater support, however, when Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano took the stage to speak for Obama and was greeted with a deafening roar.


Ten thousand, an amazing number for Democrats in Colorado.

:applause:


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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:31 PM
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1. Ignoring caucus results in a caucus state that went overwhelmingly for Obama
How did he not think that might cause a stir?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:34 PM
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3. And then count a Stalinist vote such a Michigan.
I'm amazed that 10,000 showed up being from Colorado.

That is amazing, I remember one in the 90s I went to and I think like 1800
showed up if even that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:37 PM
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6. Times they are a changin'
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:15 PM
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64. Stalin executed his opponents. Obama decided to take his own name off the ballot.
Apart from that, your comparison of Michigan 2008 with Stalinist Russia is, like, watertight! :eyes:

:sarcasm:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:06 AM
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82. And the Clinton count of Michigan gives Obama 0 votes, nada nothing
not even the votes for the no choice or other option that people
not supporting Hillary chose.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:06 AM
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83. more specifically, no one but Clinton gets votes for Michigan in her dream scenario
which is crooked as a dogs leg.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:21 PM
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11. they are despicable to attack the caucuses. the caucuses are
supported by the rules, not the debacle in Florida and Michigan. those asses. they expect us to vote for HER after they cut us down? Never. Ever.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:33 PM
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74. The caucus vote is not ignored - Hillary leads - deal with it - albeit caucus votes are estimated
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:32 PM
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2. Colorado is a lot less red than a lot of people think.
I just wish that would have translated over into acceptance of domestic partnerships.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:48 PM
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31. Colorado's voting systems are an invitation to fraud.
I agree with you. We really don't know what CO voters think right now.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:35 PM
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4. This is the kind of crap
that makes it hard to get past the rancor of this campaign. How are we supposed to unite and pull together when the Clinton campaign still insists on spreading lies?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:39 PM
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9. Exactly...mcawliff will be yelling that
hilary has the popular vote at Obama's inaugeration.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:35 PM
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5. You go Janet! I'm not the only person that thinks she should be the running mate :-)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:39 PM
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8. It'd put McCain's *home state* in contention!
That'd be an eye-popper for the GOP. :)
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:38 PM
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7. They weren't booing, they were shouting "McAwful!"
An oft made aural misperception.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:14 PM
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10. I normally think booing is rude, but McAuliffe was basically telling a lie
So I have no problem with it. Good for the Obama supporters who set him straight. She does not lead in the popular vote unless you completely skew the numbers, giving Obama 0 votes from Michigan AND discounting 4 caucus states.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:08 AM
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84. I would have boo'd him if I were there - what a lying dog!
He believes that if you lie enough, people will believe it.

And the kind of voters he is reaching are the low information voters,
the ones that get their news from television and papers, not the internet.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 02:54 AM
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87. And most of that news they hear is just talking points
You're right, that if they lie enough, people will believe it. They know it and are using it against them. Shoot, we see it here in DU!

What angers me is the fact that they are lying. Historicall, one of the big differences between us and the GOP is we - the Democrats - believe in the truth. Let the facts speak for themselves. To see a Democratic candidate and the Democratic supporters of that candidate outright fabricate or stretch the truth is disheartening, and goes against what was once a strong Democratic virtue.

How can we trust a president to be honest and forthright if they practice deception beforehand? We can't. Compare the 2000 and 2004 campaigns against the horrible reality we've been living in.

How can the world, who are watching this election cycle, trust America when they see how a leader deceives the voters? If they are intellectually dishonest to Americans, how would a world leader view and place trust in their words?
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:27 PM
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12. Talk about behaving like a Republican! We are supposed to be above all that
Twisting numbers and trying to confuse people into believing something that is not true is so repugnant. I never thought our party would allow this to happen.

He should be fired and she should just get out as quickly as possible.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
51. It's the DLC talking through McAwful
He just can't help it.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:14 PM
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76. The DLC doesn't like McAuliffe
I saw him speak at a DLC event in 2002, and the reception was very, very tepid.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #76
81. DLC'ers ARE very tepid...
until you try to undermine their power.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:34 PM
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89. Oh, please
There are a lot of VERY good Democrats who are active in the DLC. Janet Napolitano, Kathleen Sebelius, and soon-to-be-governor of Delaware Jack Markell are three that come readily to mind. They fight like hell for their constituents and for the best values of the Democratic Party. This silly notion that the DLC is a massive conspiracy is downright ludicrous to those of us who have actually participated in DLC conferences and workshops.

That is, unless you consider wonky workshops about performance-based budgeting, technology policy, and financial literacy for inner city residents to be the stuff of nefarious right wing plots...
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:18 PM
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91. When the fix is in, they do the "math" and fall on whichever sword...
will leave only a flesh wound.

They take their turns dancing for the
corporations.
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:27 PM
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13. I wish McAuliffe would give up on the popular vote argument.
My team may have more base hits, but if your team has more runs, guess what? You win, not me.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:17 AM
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45. Look at it this way-
it's this week's benchmark. When that doesn't work, there will be a new benchmark. It changes all the time. ;)
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:28 PM
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58. Exactly - Hillary throwing out that line, too - this week
Seems as though they're given the talking points memo, aka Karl Rove style.

Disinform, disinform, disinform.....

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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:13 PM
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62. Politics as usual, unfortunately...
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:35 AM
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78. Doesn't mean we should accept the lie - moreover, that
it becomes important that we declaim the liar.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated a remarkable flexibility with truth throughout her campaign.

Everyone lies, and leaders lie for many reasons.

But to lie when it is not necessary to do so, represents to me a flawed moral center.

In other words, she lies far too easily for my taste - and for no good reason.

The past politician of whom she most reminds me is Richard Nixon.

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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:13 PM
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61. Or to put it another way, "shifting goalposts"...
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:29 PM
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14. I was there - it was a beautiful thing for the crowd to call out McAuliffe on his math...
OBAMA!!! OBAMA!!! OBAMA!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #14
41. Glad you were there. Sounds like a great crowd.
Most of the party wants to unite. Only some don't. That's sad.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:33 PM
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15. I swear, if I ever meet him....
I will punch him square in the nuts.
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katerinasmommy Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:34 PM
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59. he has nuts? N/T
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:43 PM
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16. He forgot he was not at a Hillary rally and got called on his lies..

:rofl:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:10 AM
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85. how could he think he was at a Hillary ralley, there were 10,000 people there!
Edited on Tue May-20-08 01:10 AM by WillYourVoteBCounted
Now if it was in a gymnasium and there were a few hundred, I
could see him getting confused.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:12 PM
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17. I can't figure out MCall-it-Off---
Does he think that WE are really, really stupid?

Or are they just really, really stupid?

To stand up in front of millions of people and tout crap--is just really...bizarre.

How does a person degrade themselves like that?

Who in the hell are they playing to? No one buys into their slop.

:shrug:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #17
43. Stupid is their base
Why do you think most educated Democrats are already supporting Obama? They can see through this shit a mile away.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:14 PM
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18. Dems everywhere aren't buying his BS!
Hillary supporters aren't stupid and obviously don't like McAwful misrepresenting their candidate.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:32 PM
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22. Back at ya
Pretty sad post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #21
36. Ah, symbolman...
you rock.

I am so glad I can not see the post you responded to. It is best for my last nerve.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:08 AM
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42. If you go to the top of the page and click on "printer friendly" you can see..
what they wrote, I'm sorry but to say that Obama's Brilliant campaign is Theft goes way beyond the bounds of SANITY :)

I'm so impressed by his team running such a stellar campaign, while the Pantsuited CacklePander Pretended it was all sewn up... They talk about all the WORK she supposedly has done, well, so has Obama, and he EARNED this Triump..

The Stench of Hypocrisy is disgusting - I want to extend an olive branch but THEY REFUSE, instead they LIE and claim its ALL someone Else's fault.. Like a nasty EX, there will be NO Living with them, they Refuse to accept ANY Responsibility for either Clinton or THEIR Actions..

Fuck 'em, I've tried, they are a lost cause, they are literally Broken.. I worked in TWO nuthouses and I know crazy people when I see them.. :)

Thanks! Good to see you!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #42
77. bully behavior from you, esp the childish name-calling!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:49 AM
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79. I would be careful about accusing others of anything around here right now.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #79
88. I will call out rude bully like behavior when I see it.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. Can you move your car please
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. I see...
So I buy a car. Someone takes it out of my garage without my permission. I am therefore the thief?

Well, sadly,it is about par with your usual logic here lately.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Sorry, you make no sense
but that's apparently not a requirement for Obama supporters during the final days of the primary.

You'll learn your lesson the hard way.

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Poor thing. I didn't even know they had internet access in Bizarro World.
I would pity you, but I don't have a lot of patience for willful stupidity.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. You characterize stealing
as someone who is ahead over 80,000 votes (by your own Hillary skewed uneven standards), 170 pledged delegates, and 21 Super Delegates as someone who is stealing an election.

I just assumed if had a car stolen out of my garage you would, by the same logic, consider me the thief.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. Ozark- you can't admit Hillary has lost this?
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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. STFU
You are one annoying person. Sen. Clinton would be embarrassed by your behavior.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
49. ! You give me hope we'll all get through this. Thank you MrsT n/t
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. I have a present for you. I made some really nice side dishes as well.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #19
38. Keep dreaming, Obama will have earned the nomination once you wake up.
NT!

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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:19 PM
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20. Now they've stopped using fuzzy math and begun to flat out lie.
Saying she has 17 million to his 16 million is the same kind of rounding that made Pennsylvania a "double digit win".


Including both MI and FL, Obama has 16,680,827 or 47.6% while Clinton has 16,710,298 or 47.7%.

They're crazy.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. And again...
That excludes IA,WA, ME,and NV. estimates added to the total = 17,014,911 for Obama and 16,934,160 for Clinton.

That also assumes that caucus representation equates to primary representation.

So, even using the invalid yard stick, including invalid elections while doing so, Obama still leads by over 80,000.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:40 PM
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27. McAuliffe thinks people are stupid...it's as simple as that
He either KNOWS he is lying or he is one that would prefer to CHEAT and think he can get away with it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #27
48. Actually many people in my state are falling for it.
We have talked to some who think Clinton is leading. :shrug:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
63. Maybe they learned how to google?
That must really blow, if you are an Obama supporter.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democra...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #63
80. The only way is to include Fl and MI. This is ridiculous.
.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #63
86. its the low information voters who only get news from Television
or radio.

They are more easily influenced.

Why do you think older voters are going for her, ones in economically deprived
areas?

No internet.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:47 PM
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30. The way they are incessantly pushing this lie shows how desperate and pathetic they are. nt
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Rob_4_Obama Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:09 PM
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35. Did Colorado announce any add-on superdelegates?
He got 1 didn't he? I'm not sure.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. That would be Pena.
Ex-mayor of Denver, and co-chair of Obama's election campaign.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:15 PM
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37. A total liar, just like clinton.
So glad this is almost over and Obama will be the nominee.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:44 PM
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40. Today in KY, Hillary claims popular vote lead.
No, Hillary, there are no people who did not want KY to vote. That is just plain pandering.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/18/10368...

"MAYFIELD, KY -- Saying the region had a special place in the heart of the Clinton family, Hillary Clinton told a large crowd here that shes waging this campaign for people like them, not the pundits on TV.

There were some folks who didnt want Kentucky to vote, she said. There are some folks, you can see them on TV every night, who wanted it to be over for me after Iowa. And every time they say it, something funny happens. The voters dont agree.

She said these talking heads are talking at us instead of with us, and that they dont have as much at stake in the election.

I would bet every single one of those folks, theyve got a job; we can see that. Theyve got good health care; we know that. They can pay whatever the charge is at the gas pump most likely. They can send their child to college. Im not running to represent them, Im running to fight for you and to be your champion.

Clinton also repeated that she is "leading in the popular vote" -- although that claim is based only on when you add the votes she gained from the contests in Florida and Michigan, and Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot in the latter race.

"And the states that I have won are states a Democrat has to win if we are going to be elected in the fall," she said. "People ask me all the time: 'Why, why are you continuing to fight on?' Well, because Ive got more votes. Because I believe Id be the best president. And I believe Im the stronger candidate to defeat Sen. McCain."

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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:15 PM
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71. You can
Bet your ass that if the shoe were on the other foot she wouldn't give a shit about Kentucky. Now she's using Karl Roves math. Yes it's true Karl Rove says Hillary is the stronger candidate. Hillary said so herself. She is pathetic. I like probably many of you never ever thought we would be saying all this about the Clintons. I don't know how any Hillary supporter can't see this for what it is. She is USING YOU! It's like if you don't agree with me I'm taking all my votes and going home. NAAA!
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 AM
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44. Our version of Bagdad Bob
at it again. Good to see many did not agree with the dolt.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:35 AM
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46. I dont get it.
The only way I can figure to get Hillary ahead is to count just the primaries, including MI and FL, and then count ONLY states(leave out DC's votes). And probably leaving out the empty primaries(WA, NE, ID) as well. You have to leave out DC, because if you count all the primaries, no caucuses, Obama is still 63k ahead.

DC is worth 63k lead on its own for obama, DA 7k, NE 3k, WA 13k. All Primaries, but ones that are left out to give Hillary a supposed lead.

Can anyone help me with this? What am I missing that would give Hillary a popular vote lead without ignoring DC?


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:52 AM
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47. They are leaving out some caucus states, I think, and not sure what else.
They are counting MI and FL for Hillary. Their New Math is amazing.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:20 PM
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72. Some caucuses don't report a "popular vote" is my understanding. So....
Hillary's camp is leaving out those no-popular-vote caucus states (which Obama won), and she is counting MI and FL (incl. the early voting, which was done in December 2007, I think...before many people even knew who Obama was).

I haven't checked her "math," and I don't know anyone else who has (except Rove, if that tells you anything). It can't really be counted, because all the states simply do not report a "popular vote" count.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:34 PM
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50. I cant wait to see ole Terrys
ass kicked to the curb after this election


that guy is a grade A goon.

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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:22 PM
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52. klassy
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:25 PM
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53. Changing the rules is not classy. It is harming our party.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:47 PM
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54. Our goddamn prior chairman didn't know how to count apparently.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 03:08 PM by theboss
Jesus. No wonder we lost so many elections under him.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:55 PM
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55. Could you edit to say "previous"..?
Just to be clear. :evilgrin:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:08 PM
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56. I used the past tense, but fair enough
Will change it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:09 PM
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57. I really was kidding.
It just took me a second.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:11 PM
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60. Maybe the hecklers should also protest RealClearPolitics.com?
The numbers speak for themselves, and are available online for all to see.

If you include the votes in all the States that have released numbers, including Florida and Michigan, Hillary Clinton has around 27,000 more votes than Barack Obama.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democra...
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:17 PM
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66. There is NO way to include Michigan, because no way to award "uncomitted"
Also, numbers don't include caucus states, AND despite all that 27,000 is way different than 1 million.

Terry is a lying sack of shit.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:52 PM
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68. Read my lips, ITS THE NUMBER OF FRIGGIN DELEGATES THAT COUNTS
Edited on Mon May-19-08 05:53 PM by rhett o rick
Popular vote? What the hell is that? In Washingtonthestate for exampled how do you figure the number of popular votes. There was a primary that didn't count and caucuses. Tell me how you figure the "popular vote".

Besides THE POPULAR VOTE COUNT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT.

On Edit: Have a nice day

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:06 PM
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70. The popular vote has nothing to do with choosing the nominee.
She is playing to voters who don't know any better...that's shameful.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:16 PM
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65. I don't have any respect or kindness left for lying sacks of shit
When someone like him lies like he does, there's no reason for me to be kind about it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:54 PM
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69. Or their gullible enablers. nm
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:20 PM
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67. He's a nasty douchebag. Nothing goodnatured about it
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:54 PM
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73. Sadam Hussein also walked away with Iraq's popular vote
As a matter of fact, the parallel with Hillary's Michigan landslide is quite astounding:

Saddam: 100%
Hillary: 100%

Don't you just love "fair" elections? Good, Now rack 'em up, and while yer at it, don't forget to lose them dad-blasted caucus votes. HEY, WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:42 PM
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75. What a liar! Of course he works for the Clintons. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 01:42 PM
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90. Kick for Hillary's ability to catapult the propaganda.
There is no media here disputing her, no one seems to understand that we do not choose our nominee by popular vote.

Florida has fallen for her spin.
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