Hillary is using her 2012 plan.

[mckeown1128]

Don't believe me? She is trying to make this whole race about FL and MI getting seated as they voted. The super delegates know that FL and MI were not fair and open elections. They will not allow FL and MI to be seated as is. Hillary knows this.

Hillary is pushing it because some of her voters are fanatical. You know which ones they are. They keep railing about the sexism against Hillary but don't provide examples. They are the sexist ones who mention Hillary's being a woman as the reason why she should be president. They are the ones who think Hillary has been running a positive campaign even though the facts don't mention it. They are the ones that now watch Fox News because it is the only place they feel is properly critical of Obama. They are the ones who now despise Richardson because they think he owed Hillary an endorsement.

Hillary is pushing the "Democracy is dependent on FL and MI" talking points. She knows that the super delegates and informed objective voters don't by the spin. She is hoping that enough ignorant voters (those who don't know the details about the FL and MI primaries) and her fanatical supporters (the ones who push the Larry Sinclair tabloid type attacks on Obama)fall for this that McCain wins. McCain of course will screw up the country worse than Bush... McCain will be like Medieval Times old in 2012. Hillary will be able to run on the "I told you he couldn't win...my turn now" talking points.

She won't succeed. I believe Obama will pull enough indies to counter Hillarycrats(these particular supporters aren't Democrats...they have clearly shown a willingness to sacrifice progressive and liberal policies. They are only interested in Hillary... you know cult of personality)

The reason I'm writing this is because this and many other tactics Hillary has used...makes me sick. I also hate all these Hillary fanatics come in here and betray democratic principles trying to argue that Hillary is the nominee because of fraudulent FL and MI primaries. Don't be sad though when the progressive biosphere purges them from the dialog of the left. Many have them have already been reading and enjoying freeperville. (Just the other day on Taylor Trash they were laughing about freeper captions of a Michelle Obama picture)

[DJ13]

1. I wholeheatedly agree, but ........

:popcorn:

[sfaprog]

2. Let them have MI and FL... Obama still wins

Nothing they can do about it at this point, although it will be interesting watching them try.

[VolcanoJen]

3. Those Michiganders at the John Edwards endorsement rally looked pretty happy to me.

:-)

[OzarkDem]

4. If Obama is nominated and loses the GE

the blame will lie with Obama and his supporters who insist on promoting him.

If he wins and screws up in the WH (another likely scenario) he also has no one to blame but himself.

If Clinton is positioned to win in 2012 under either of these scenarios, that's to her credit. She has enough sense and concern about our future to plan ahead and try to salvage the Obama mess.

[cali]

7. nonsense. Obama ran a great campaign against a formidable

opponent in the primary. He'll do the same against a less formidable candidate in the general. He's a capable man. He'll have a dem Congress eager to work with him. He's reflective, intelligent and has leadership chops.

Clinton is done in presidential politics. She knows it.

[Heather MC]

10. I think she has done too much damage... and she can't count

[mckeown1128]

14. Have you ever posted from sites like...

hill44 or Marsh or Hillary forum.... because they are all now pushing for donations... to the McCain campaign....


They sit there and say how unelectable Obama is... then they go and donate money to McCain. Hypocrates....I hope you aren't one of them...


Are you guys doing McCain fundraisers at that competing site with the "DUmp" forum?

[billyoc]

5. NARAL put their sexist conspiracy theory in the shitcan where it belongs. nt

[Cha]

6. More LIES and Pandering from hilary and she

can kiss my Democratic :kick:

[hokies4ever]

8. It's really bad because she loses even with FL and MI seated

obviously just trying to undermine Obama's candidacy.

[Heather MC]

11. And here's the proof!

[bvar22]

9. Hillary's BIG CORPO backers won't let her drop out.

If they can't force Hillary into the Democratic nomination through back-room power brokers and extortion, they would prefer to see a Republican in the White House....business as usual. They MOST FEAR a candidate who is funded by millions of small donations who will be able to tell them to "Fuck Off".

Currently, they are sowing division in the Democratic Party by attacking the legitimacy of Obama's nomination and financing astro-turf movements for Hillary supporters to vote for McCain.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Heather MC]

12. Hey there, do you have link to this info?

[judasdisney]

13. Just wait... Here comes the sabotage against the Obama presidency

It's not over when Barack wins the GE.

[mckeown1128]

15. kick. nt

[Teaser]

16. The Mayan's foretold it...

.