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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:58 AM
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For what it's worth some news from the Paul campaign
Talked to a friend of mine from Vegas yesterday who is a Ron Paul supporter and informed about if not active in the campaign. He confirms that the Paul campaign is running around gathering delegate support to give the Republican convention a headache if not a nightmare. Nice to have the spoilers fuck up the other side for a change eh?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:01 AM
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1. Where are the delegates coming from?
Those that had gone to Romney, Hucky, and the one from rudy911?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:02 AM
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3. Romney mostly from what he said
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:02 AM
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2. I've been seeing Ron Paul signs lately...
I wondered what that was all about. Thanks for the info, shadow. He was big in the NH Primary race.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:03 AM
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4. The republicans screwed over Paul
And no I am NOT talking about the voters I am talking about the party refusing to give him the support he needed to connect to mainstream republican voters.

Now there is going to be heck to pay as Paul gathers delegate support to go to the convention with.

My guess is McCain is going to offer Paul the #2 spot. Tho it could be difficult because Paul has had a bit of praise for Obama.

Overall tho the Republicans are losing their younger and netstream voters.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:04 AM
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5. And that is who Paul is appealing to
So, I'd say good call on him getting the VP slot.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:33 PM
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72. I hope not. That would give McCain tons of groundgame that he wouldn't otherwise have.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:18 AM
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9. Paul is a racist bastard who the rethugs don't even want to be assocaited with. The man ....
isn't fit to run for dog catcher much less a national office.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:27 AM
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10. Wish I could recommend a response. You're 100% correct. n/t
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:31 AM
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11. It always pisses me off when I hear a Democrat say "I like Paul, he seems level headed.". Then ....
I give them a copy of an article he wrote and ask them what they think of him now.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:17 AM
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17. I never said I agree with him, just passing along info
As "interesting" as our race has been, I think the Republicans may implode before we even get to face them heh. Let's turn that whole US map blue!!!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:34 AM
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18. Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound accusing. I was just pointing out the .....
idiocy of some people who call themselves Democrats and want to support Paul.

I find the whole thing rather amusing, and scary, and rethugs are finally reaping what they have sewn.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:01 PM
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60. My friend who told me this was actually for Kucinich first
I don't know how you get from there to Ron Paul but, to each his own.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:26 AM
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25. which article do you show them?
:kick:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:09 PM
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52. Purestrain Gold Ron Paul
The man's batshit insane by every metric, but if he's going to cause trouble for his own party then I say godspeed to him.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:34 AM
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13. ron paul has always creeped me out. Do you have a link to the article?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:37 AM
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14. I have a copy of the article saved in Word, but here's a copy of it........
LOS ANGELES RACIAL TERRORISM
The Los Angeles and related riots mark a new era in American cultural,
political, and economic life. We now know that we are under assault from
thugs and revolutionaries who hate Euro-American civilization and
everything it stands for: private property, material success for those who
earn it, and Christian morality.
Ten thousand stores and other buildings looted and burned, thousands
beaten and otherwise seriously injured, 52 people dead. That was the toll
of the Los Angeles riots in which we saw white men pulled from their cars
and trucks and shot or brutally beaten. (In every case, the mob was not too
enraged to pick the victim's pocket.) We saw Korean and white stores
targeted by the mob because they "exploited the community," i.e., sold
products people wanted at prices they were willing to pay. Worst of all,
we saw the total breakdown of law enforcement, as black and white liberal
public officials had the cops and troops disarmed in the face of criminal
anarchy.
In San Francisco and perhaps other cities, says expert Burt Blumert,
the rioting was led by red-flag carrying members of the Revolutionary
Communist Party and the Workers World Party, both Trotskyite-Maoist. The
police were allowed to intervene only when the rioters assaulted the famous
Fairmont and Mark Hopkins hotels atop Nob Hill. A friend of Burt's, a
jewelry store owner, had his store on Union Square looted by blacks, and
when the police arrived in response to his frantic calls, their orders were
to protect his life, but not to interfere with the rioting.
Even though the riots were aimed at whites (in L.A. at Koreans who had
committed the crime of working hard and being successful, and at Cambodians
in Long Beach), and even though anti-white and anti-Asian epithets filled
the air, this is not considered a series of hate crimes, nor a violation of
the civil rights of whites or Asians.
The criminals who terrorize our cities--in riots and on every
non-riot day--are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are.
As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white
oppression is responsible for all black ills, to "fight the power," and to
steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is
justified against "The Man." And "The Woman.' A lady I know recently saw a
black couple in the supermarket with a cute little girl, three years old or
so. My friend waved to the tiny child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue,
and said (somewhat tautologically): "I hate you, white honkey." And the
parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way? I've
never heard of it. If a white child made such a remark to a black woman,
the parents would stop it with a reprimand or a spank.
But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the
anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black
leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory
to bolster its claims of victimology. Like the communists who renounced all
that was bourgeois, the blacks reject all that is "Eurocentric." They
demand their own kind of thinking, and deny the possibility of non-blacks
understanding it.
The insurrectionist and revolutionaries intended to destroy large
sections of Los Angeles. Why did the ghetto youths so furiously rage
together? Was it because they have been neglected? Hardly. Welfare has
transferred $2.5 trillion from white middle class taxpayers to welfare
programs in the last 30 years. And if we adjust that figure for 1992
dollars, the total is more like $7 trillion. Are blacks being denied
economic opportunity? The cities could have freer markets, but so could the
rest of the country, where there is no rioting and little street crime. Are
black killers and looters responding to racism? Japanese Americans were
treated far worse in California than blacks. They were even put in
concentration camps by Earl Warren, John J. McCloy, and Franklin D.
Roosevelt, yet Japanese-Americans have never rioted. Korean-Americans,
hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive
people in America (the reason for black hatred).
The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot
loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the
welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to
terrorism. Trouble is, few seem willing to do anything to stop them. The
cops have been handcuffed. And property owners are not allowed to defend
themselves. The mayor of Los Angeles, for example, ordered the Korean
storekeepers who defended themselves arrested for "discharging a firearm
within city limits." Perhaps the most scandalous aspect of the Los Angeles
riots was the response by the mayors, the media, and the Washington
politicians. They all came together as one to excuse the violence and to
tell white America that it is guilty, although the guilt can be assuaged by
handing over more cash. It would be reactionary, racist, and fascist, said
the media, to have less welfare or tougher law enforcement. America's
number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass
blacks.
Rather than helping, all this will ensure that guerrilla violence will
escalate. There will be more occasional eruptions such as we saw in Los
Angeles, but just as terrifying are the daily muggings, robberies,
burglaries, rapes, and killings that make our cities terror zones.
The rioters said they were acting out their frustration over the
acquittal of four L.A. policemen accused of using excessive force when
arresting Rodney G. King, but in fact, they were looking for an excuse to
kill, burn, and loot. Nonetheless, it is important to understand why the
jury decided not to convict, whether or not we agree with their verdict.
The California highway patrol began chasing drunk driver Rodney King,
a black man with a long arrest record, and his two passengers on the night
of March 3, 1991. He was recklessly driving at speeds up to 115 mph for
almost eight miles. They raced on the highway until King turned off to
drive through traffic lights and stop signs on residential streets
(families could have been killed). The L.A. police department came to
assist in the high-speed chase with lights and sirens on. One of King's
passenger s asked him to pull over. King initially refused, driving
faster, but he finally complied. When the cops approached the car,
suspecting armed criminals, the two black passengers immediately stepped
out of the car and fell flat on their stomachs with arms stretched out, as
instructed. They were handcuffed. King could have done the same. But he
chose a different route. He refused to get out of the car. He stalled for
a minute, and several times, stepped out of the car and then back into it.
The police wo ndered if he was searching the car for a gun. Once King
stopped this game, he was told by cops with guns pointing at him to put his
belly down on the ground with arms outstretched. Instead, King began to do
a crazy dance and laugh freakishly. He taunted the police and even the
helicopter buzzing above him. This is why the police thought he was on PCP.
Despite police orders, King continued to dance, grabbing his buttocks
to make lewd gestures at a female cop. Sgt. Koon approached him and warned
that he would be stung with a Taser gun. King got down on his hands and
knees, but refused to lay flat. He was again warned, but King refused.
Officer Powell put his knee on King's back to get him down on the ground so
he could be handcuffed. King went down to the ground, but bounced back up,
shaking off all the police who were trying to get hold of him. Fina lly,
Koon stung him with the gun, delivering 50,000 volts of electricity, and
King fell to the ground again. But again he bounced up, prompting Koon to
deliver another 50,000 volts. King fell again, this time into the proper
position. Not a single baton blow had been delivered and the cops thought
everything was over.
At this point, the video camera started to tape the action. Officer
Powell approached King to put handcuffs on him, but King, weighing 250
pounds and standing 6'4" tall, shocked everyone by springing into action
again from his flat position. Like a professional linebacker, he charged
Powell, who thought King was going for his gun. That's when Powell started
using the baton. At one point, Powell thought King was subdued, put away
the baton and reached for the cuffs. But King started to stand up again.
Remembering how King rushed him before, he put away his cuffs and brought
out the baton again. One officer even tried to put his foot on King's neck
to prevent him from getting up again so he could be cuffed.
In all, he was hit 56 times, and even in the end he refused to comply.
He had to be cuffed in an odd position that risked the lives of the cops.
The hospital reported that King had suffered an injury on the face from
when he fell to the ground and minor injuries to his leg. He was never hit
on the spine or the head, which would have violated regulations. And he was
not beaten nearly to death, as some have claimed. The jury concluded that
at every point of that night's action, King was in control. He could have
complied at any time and stopped the beating. Whether we agree or disagree
with the juries verdict--that the cops did not use exxcessive force--it is
instructive to know what they saw and what the media still refuses to tell
us or show us. None of the major networks showed the video scene when King
rushed Officer Powell after the first Taser jolt. Only CNN showed it, one
time. And no major paper even mentioned it. Neither did any major paper or
network tell of the two passengers who complied and were peacefully
arrested. Why? We were shown the section of tape where the cops hit King
as a metaphor for white racism. Shown it again and again, we were supposed
to feel guilty.
Not long after this incident, King was found trying to pick up a
transvestite prostitute, and when caught, tried to run over the cops who
intervened. He was not arrested. This was not reported outside of L.A. He
was also not jailed for violating his parole (for armed robbery) or for
drunk and reckless driving or for violently resisting arrest. The verdict
was handed down at 3:15pm on April 29. For weeks we had heard threats that
the blacks would riot if the officers were not convicted. Taking that into
account, did the media or politicians defer to the jury (as they do when a
liberal-approved criminal is released)? Not at all. At 5:10 pm, liberal
black L.A. Mayor Tom Bradley said he was shocked and outraged at the
verdict. He denounced the jurors for approving "the senseless and brutal
beating of a helpless man." As an afterthought, he asked the ci ty to
"remain calm." With those words, he might as well have thrown a match into
a pool of gasoline. It was permission for the blacks to "express their
rage."
Ten minutes later, the police got their first report of trouble.
Blacks were throwing beer cans at passing cars. When the police showed up,
the crowds had gotten much bigger. Cops tried to control them, but realized
they were outnumbered. Realizing that they could not use their guns or even
look cross-eyed at a black, a video recorded a policeman saying: "It's not
worth it. Let's go." Indeed it wasn't worth it. The cops could only have
put themselves on trial and had their lives ruined too.
Ironically, they were being filmed and are now denounced. But it was
the Establishment's reaction to the Rodney King verdict that set the
precedent that black criminals always have the benefit of the doubt over
white police. At 5:45, the field commander in the area where the riots
began ordered that no police go into the area. "I want everybody out of
here. Get out. Now." He wanted to protect his police force, which could
take no action without media criticism and legal action, from rioters who
vastly outnumbered them and were sometimes better armed. The blacks
started to attack cars driven by whites and light-skinned Hispanics with
crowbars, rocks, bottles, and even a metal traffic sign. At the last
minute, some police officers rescued a woman abandoned in her car and were
pelted by rocks as they left.
At 6:45, a white man was dragged from a delivery truck and thrown to
the ground and beaten, as black assailants yelled, "That's how Rodney King
felt, white boy!" Another white truck driver, Reginald O. Denny, pulled
into the area and five blacks beat him nearly to death. One threw a fire
extinguisher at his head as he lay unconscious, breaking nearly every bone
in his face. A white boy was pulled from his motorcycle and shot in the
head. All this happened less than an hour and a half after the mayor had
denounced the verdict. Rather than call for even minimal standards of
justice, the Establishment coalesced into its excusemaking mode, justifying
black terrorism in various ways. It was caused by poverty, frustration, "12
years of neglect," etc., but never evil. The fires burned out of control as
firemen were attacked by the rioters as well, in one case with an axe.
All banks within the vicinity of rioting, meaning nearly all of
central L.A., were immediately shut down. People who wanted to cash checks
or make deposits were shocked to find them closed. They were also stunned
to find city transit not running. Taxicabs were nowhere in sight. White
people found themselves walking alone many blocks to get home, running the
minefield of black gangs out for their blood.
Many people tried to buy guns to protect themselves. But, whoops,
California has a 14-day waiting period. And then, just to make sure honest
Californians could not get ammunition for the firearms they already owned
(poor rage filled youth might be shot), Mayor Tom Bradley ordered all gun
and ammo shops closed, a great help to criminals who had stocked up
earlier, or who could simply break in and loot.
Another group that had stocked up were Korean merchants, many of whom
defended their places with guns, and later were arrested for illegal use of
firearms. As one told the L.A. Times, "Two looters entered my store; one
left." These Korean immigrants were the only people to act like real
Americans, mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our
liberal culture, which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back
and think of England. White reporters and photographers who entered the
riot zone were dragged from their cars and beaten. A freelance reporter for
the Boston Globe was shot five times. The anti-white hate crimes
accumulated.
In the midst of the rioting, Jesse Jackson and Congresswoman Maxine
Waters (D-CA) spouted the pro-terrorist line that it was all justified
because blacks "can't get no justice." The newsmen of the major networks
interviewed them and lovingly bemoaned the "plight of the inner-city
youth."
Liberal statist Jack Kemp weighed in with a victimological line similar to
Jackson's, saying we need more federal programs for the cities. As the
Establishment promised to spread more white taxpayers' money around the
inner city, the killers and looters spread their violence to Hollywood,
Beverly Hills, Fairfax, and Westwood. A mall in Compton burned.
The Violence wasn't limited to the L.A. area. It extended to Long
Beach, Cal. (where more than 500 Cambodian-owned businesses were torched);
Seattle, Wash.; Eugene, Ore.; San Francisco, Cal.; San Jose, Cal.; Las
Vegas, Nev. (where it still lingers); Madison, Wis.; Birmingham, Ala.; and
Atlanta, Ga. Terrorism swept America. In Las Vegas, for example, a white
man was pulled out of his car and severely beaten by blacks breaking up
from an anti-white rally at l0:30 pm. The blacks shouted racial insults as
the police carted him away to the hospital. The crowd then pelted SWAT
teams in armored vehicles with rocks and bottles. Someone in the crowd of
blacks shot a gun and the police responded with tear gas. I'm sure that
there were many more incidents of looting, fires, and violence that we
haven't heard about for the simple fact that the media doesn't want us to
know about them. Newsmen and editors are protecting us from the truth.
Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to
pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began. The "poor"
lined up at the post office to get their handouts (since there were no
deliveries)--and then complained about slow service. What if the checks
had never arrived? No doubt the blacks would have fully privatized the
welfare state through continued looting. But they were paid off and the
violence subsided.
Several days after the violence ended, we learned that there would
have been blacks on the King jury--if the NAACP hadn't engaged in jury
tampering by telling potential black jurors that it was their racial duty
to convict the cops. The blacks admitted this to defense lawyers, and were
rightly excluded from jury. This is a serious crime, but the NAACP will not
be prosecuted.
Imagine the irony. Blacks have whined endlessly that letting the cops
off was "all white" (even though the jury included an Hispanic and an
Asian). But it was the leading "civil rights" organization that is at fault
for this.
What did Bush say about the riots? First he promised to have the Justice
Department see if it could retry the cops for violating Rodney King's
"civil rights." But what about the constitutional prohibition of double
jeopardy? No one cares. Then Bush promised an immediate payoff of $600
million to L.A. gangsters. When the liberals called this a "token", he
raised the amount to $1.2 billion. He has vacillated between pretending to
be a tough guy and condemning the rioters, and taking up the Jack Kemp line
that inner-city "despair" can be fixed through more federal programs. But
this is capitulation to terrorist demands. The advice some libertarians
give---"don't vote, it only encourages them" applies here. We must not
kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.
At a Washington, D.C., rally two weeks after the L.A. attempt at
revolution, many poured out to lobby for more money to be given to the
cities. The most commonly held sign was: "Justice for Rodney King. Free all
the L.A. prisoners." Now, consider for a moment what this slogan implies.
Were they upset by the murders, the burned buildings, and the $1 billion in
property damage? Not at all, except to use it as an excuse to get more
cash. They wanted the cops jailed and the murderers, arsonists, and thieves
set free. This came not from the underclass, but from middle-class
blacks and black political activists, who hold opinions not markedly
different from the Crips and the Bloods. But the Crips and the Bloods, it
turns out, have been "misunderstood," according to Ted Koppel who
interviewed two of these animals. After spending several hours with them,
he decided he liked them. Unfortunately, they didn't pull him out of his
stretch limousine.
Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not
going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities
across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good
sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly
avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of
actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color
of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for
many, entirely unavoidable.
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among
blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5%
of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market,
individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action. I know
many who fall into this group personally and they deserve credit--not as
representatives of a racial group, but as decent people. They are,
however, outnumbered. Of black males in Washington, D.C, between the ages
of 18 and 35, 42% are charged with a crime or are serving a sentence,
reports the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. The Center
also reports that 70% of all black men in Washington are arrested before
they reach the age of 35, and 85% are arrested at some point in their
lives. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal
justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males
in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who
doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that
it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black
men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of
proportion to their numbers.
Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots,
burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial
politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting
booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you
are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the
streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their
Congressmen to arrange the transfer.
Blacks have "civil riqhts," preferences, set-asides for government
contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black
mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black tv shows,
black tv anchors, black scholorships and colleges, hate crime laws, and
public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.
Two years ago, in a series of predictions for the 1990s, I said that
race riots would erupt in our large cities. I'm now predicting this will be
the major problem of the 1990s.
By Ron Paul
Taken from the Ron Paul Political Report, 1120 NASA Blvd., Suite 104,
Houston, TX 77058 for $50 per year. Call 1-800-766-7285.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. copy and paste... your point!
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:15 AM
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16. I did some googling and found a really creepy article about ron paul
Edited on Sun May-18-08 09:20 AM by mucifer
in "The New Republic"

This is not a cut and paste job. You can read the article:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

ok here's a coupla paragraphs from the article:

Finding the pre-1999 newsletters was no easy task, but I was able to track many of them down at the libraries of the University of Kansas and the Wisconsin Historical Society. Of course, with few bylines, it is difficult to know whether any particular article was written by Paul himself. Some of the earlier newsletters are signed by him, though the vast majority of the editions I saw contain no bylines at all. Complicating matters, many of the unbylined newsletters were written in the first person, implying that Paul was the author.

But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics."


Reading the whole article it confirms what Exilednight posted.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:36 AM
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19. Ron Paul speaks his mind... we have race problems in this country and he spoke about it
I am tired of people insisting every white person is a racist! it gets old!
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. ok here's another quote from "The New Republic" article which I don't think
you bothered to read.

"Such views on race also inflected the newsletters' commentary on foreign affairs. South Africa's transition to multiracial democracy was portrayed as a "destruction of civilization" that was "the most tragic ever occur on that continent, at least below the Sahara"; and, in March 1994, a month before Nelson Mandela was elected president, one item warned of an impending "South African Holocaust."

Martin Luther King Jr. earned special ire from Paul's newsletters, which attacked the civil rights leader frequently, often to justify opposition to the federal holiday named after him. ("What an infamy Ronald Reagan approved it!" one newsletter complained in 1990. "We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.") In the early 1990s, newsletters attacked the "X-Rated Martin Luther King" as a "world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours," "seduced underage girls and boys," and "made a pass at" fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy. One newsletter ridiculed black activists who wanted to rename New York City after King, suggesting that "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," and "Lazyopolis" were better alternatives. The same year, King was described as "a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration."

While bashing King, the newsletters had kind words for the former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke. In a passage titled "The Duke's Victory," a newsletter celebrated Duke's 44 percent showing in the 1990 Louisiana Senate primary. "Duke lost the election," it said, "but he scared the blazes out of the Establishment."





Is this what you believe in cd3dem?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:42 AM
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31. that is some nasty stuff
where is it from again?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Ron Paul is a racist piece of shit, and if you agree with this statement ...........
I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males
in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who
doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that
it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.


Then you're part of the problem, and not the solution.

First off, there was no study that has every shown that 95% of black males are criminal in DC.

Second, It's rational to be scared of black people?

Third, the man condones racial profiling.

Also from his article: "Many more are going to have difficultly
avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of
actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color
of their skin. "

The man had a link to storm front on the front page of website.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:28 AM
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27. where did that quote come from?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Ron Paul's newsletter, read .........
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:33 AM
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29. "The New Republic" did a big article on this racist scum
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:51 AM
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36. thanks for the link
As a Paul supporter in the GOP primary (as opposed to a Bush / McCain supporter... I encouraged all my GOP enrolled contacts to vote for Paul in the primary) I want to read as much as I can about him.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:03 PM
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50. that wasn't such a big article
But I still don't see the big deal. The idea that Paul is somehow worse then Bush is insane, imho.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:12 PM
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80. Do you think all fertilized eggs should be treated as persons under the US Constitution?
RP does. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1094

Forget about the end of Roe v. Wade. Get ready for the uterus police if this thing ever passed.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:27 PM
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55. Crime is part of the deal in the inner city. Not racist, just a fact of the drug war
From the www.recordonline.com

James is the second teenager killed in less than two weeks. Friends and relatives of 15-year-old Jeffrey Zachary buried him Wednesday after he was gunned down in a May 6 drive-by on Dubois Street. Jeffrey's relatives begged for an end to the killing.

Police said James was stabbed shortly after 11 p.m. on South near Lander Street. Lots of people must have seen it, police said, but witnesses had not come forward. Coston said a perverse symptom of the stop-snitchin' culture of the streets has kept someone from helping detectives find James' killer.

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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:44 PM
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57. please provide direct evidence of paul being racist
Include the link with ron pauls signature to an article written by him or an audio of him saying racist things.

If not stfu please..I'm tired of the 'gotcha' politics. Just like those going after obama for knowing the weather underground people. It doesnt mean he SUPPORTS that shit. His voting record says he isnt racist AT ALL. He's a libertarian and supports equal rights for everyone and when i see bullshit like yours which tries to paint him as a racist or kooky just because some of his supporters are.. I get really disgusted.

Ron Paul supports the end of the drug war which would free hundreds of thousands of nonviolent drug users whom many are african american.

Ron Paul supports the end of the iraq war

Ron Paul supports equal rights for everyone regardless of age color of skin or gender

Please, actually research something before spouting what some uninformed 'gotcha' blogger has to say. A lot of dems are libertarian at least socially, me included.

I support Obama but I do think Paul gets a bad rap here especially considering his positions in contrast with other republicans. And he may just take votes away from republicans this november.


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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #57
67. Here you go ......
This is the actual article from the Ron Paul Political Report, notice the by line.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6016017&mesg_id=6016186
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:14 PM
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68. BTW, if you're so in love in with Paul, then go join his party, this is a forum for Democrats. n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:54 AM
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21. i disagree
Paul is revolution.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Read this.........
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:27 AM
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26. thanks for the link
I'll read it right now.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:39 AM
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30. I live in a city called Newburgh
Saul Williams and Geraldine Ferraro are both from Newburgh. Newburgh has a city park (Downing Park) that was designed by the same team that designed Central Park in NYC.

Part of the problem in the inner city is that there is no legal economy. You can work at McDonalds or you can do "something else" to make money.

The biggest inner city job provider is the drug war. Most people in the inner city have some connection to the drug trade. Even if it means simply not "ratting out" drug dealer to the cops, there is some connection.

I would suspect that 90 out of 100 black males in Newburgh have engaged in some criminal activity during their lives. The drug trade is the only option available to make money in Newburgh.

The drug war is a racist policy. Ron Paul stands against this racist policy while others support it. I would argue that Paul supporters are less evil then bushbots. We can respectfully disagree about this.

Peace and low stress.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:54 AM
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37. I've been to the McDonald's there.
Edited on Sun May-18-08 11:31 AM by Patsy Stone
We stopped off on our way down from Saratoga to see OCC this past Thanksgiving, and I was amazed by the number of Ron Paul signs I saw there.

:toast:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:19 AM
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44. did you see the new showroom?
Orange County Choppers built a new workshop / retail space / filming studio. It is an awesome display of non-union craftsmanship (my only complaint is that it was a non-union job).

If you didn't get to see please check back in the next time you are on the interstate. It is only a mile off of I87 or I84.

Peace and low stress...
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:27 AM
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47. Look up Paul's policy on unions. He wants to create a law that would .......
Union workers to dissolve their Union with only 33% voting in favor of such a measure.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:06 PM
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51. I did not know that
I don't dig on Paul like I dig on Kucinich. I just think that Paul is far better then Bush or McCain. I support Paul in the GOP primary.

I always support the right to unionize. Paul is wrong on this issue.

Thank you for the info. Peace and low stress....
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:12 PM
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54. He does support unionizing, but he doesn't always tell the whole story .........
His policy is a bit convoluted to say the least.

It would take 2/3rds majority to create a union, and a 1/3rd minority to dissolve a union which could be voted on once a year.

Paul is a different animal to say the least, but I see him as being a far worse creature than Bush. It mostly depends on what you think the US world role should be, or where you stand on affirmative action, corporate rights, and handful of other issues.

His few redeeming qualities come no where close to forgiving his other flaws.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:30 AM
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48. I saw the new one off the highway as we passed by,
But we went to the showroom in that strip mall, so that's the old one, right? We stopped off so I could buy a Mikey t-shirt.

I had no idea they built the new one without union labor. Booo. :(

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:10 PM
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53. Actually they used union labor from somewhere else, not local
They were not paid the high Orange County NY pay rate but were paid the rate of where they had "traveled" from.
The GOP controlled local construction union (a union that supports the GOP!) were the only ones that protested the construction arrangement.

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:14 AM
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24. Bullshit. Ron Paul and his followers are scum. n/t
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kibitzer31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:45 AM
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34. paul
From what I have seen of paul, he appears level headed and on the right path. he is the same as obama, in terms of trying to get government back to the people and away from the big interests, and i respect him for that. As for him being a racist, maybe he is, but i don't think that should preclude him from being president. He has shown in congress that he always votes based on his interpretation of the constitution, and he has said he would never impost any sore of racist law, and thinks that goes against the constitution. There is no reason to believe he would do anything racist with the presidency, so judge him by his policies, not his personal life.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:47 AM
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35. so it's ok if he puts his buddy david duke in the cabinet?
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kibitzer31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:55 AM
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38. false
thats ridiculous, there is no way he would put david duke in the cabinet. he would be more likely to put kucinich on the cabinet. He has taken money from david duke, not given him praise. He has given kucinich praise.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:58 AM
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40. read The New Republic article He did praise david duke
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kibitzer31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:05 AM
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42. alright
So a newsletter from 1991 that most likely wasn't written by him congratulated david duke on winning. how about you find something from the past 5 years about it. It says in the article they are most likely not written by him, and listening to his speeches and seeing other things written by him, it does not sound anything like paul at all.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:19 AM
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45. His statements on the newsletter in '96
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:00 AM
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41. He has openly praised David Duke and Kucinich is on the total opposite end of the spectrum ......
than Paul. Kucinich is for gun control, Paul is against anything that would limit someone from owning a rocket launcher.

Kucinich is for universal health care, Paul is for deregulating health insurance companies and allowing them to pick and choose who they want to insure based on any criteria they see fit.

The only thing they might agree on is Iraq.
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kibitzer31 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:11 AM
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43. and
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:57 AM
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39. His racism reflects his politics. If you believe that affirmative action is unconstitutional ......
then you are in the wrong party and participating on the wrong board. That's a right wing talking point that seems to fail to understand that racism is alive and well in this country.

His policies are a fucking joke. He's an old time isolationist who believes that government has no business regulating corporate America. In one interview he said that women who experience sexual harassment on the job should just quit and find a new job, and that they are not entitled to any legal recourse.

I hate to tell Paul this, but government is reactive and not proactive. Government figures it's time to fix problem only when the problem has gotten entirely out of control.

Government is set to protect the people, not corporations. No where in the Constitution does it give a corporation rights.

We already have a Supreme Court that says former employees and stock holders can not sue Enron for misreporting earnings and inflating their stock price and then telling those same people that they weren't allowed to sell their stock.
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
65. its not necessarily racist.
just because racist people have that position, doesn't make that position racist. Ron Paul is an incredibly old school conservative. Hes like, Anti-Federalist type of conservative. He just doesn't think its the governments position to do things like that.

It may be wrong, but that doesnt make it racist.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:10 PM
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66. He believes in racial profiling. n/t
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:31 PM
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70. maybe personally, but he doesnt believe its the governments place to do it. nt
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:42 PM
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74. Thank god we will never find out. n/t
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:59 PM
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76. haha, sentiments shared nt
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:08 PM
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78. Part A: true. Part B: has nothing to do with A
Like the republics care about being associated with a racist?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:11 PM
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79. It looks good if they clean up after one of their own, especially one who is as open about it as ...
Paul is.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:02 PM
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61. Even Sean Hannity and Faux news fucked him over.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:03 PM
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62. Paul won all of the republican debates he destroyed everyone on the stage.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM
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73. Didn't matter. The whole goal of his questions was to imply that he wasn't actually a repug.
The MSM phrased their questions like:
"So, you don't support X bill, are you really a republican?"
"You don't support the Iraq War, how can you call yourself a republican?"

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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:35 PM
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64. I seriously hadn't even contemplated that in my mind before...
That could be very interesting. Do you think Paul would accept?
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:54 PM
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75. I would hope Paul wouldn't accept...
He seems vehemently anti-war, while McCain is all bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran...

It'd be awkward at very best, I'd imagine, and I think his anti-war supporters would probably see him as selling out on the war in a massive way, among other things, if he were to accept something like that.

I could be very wrong though. :)
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:06 PM
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77. You really think so?
Granted, it would be a way for McCain to connect to the base he is estranged from. But if thats the plan, why keep it so divided right now, why not start making those connections early? And do you really think that the republic power structure wants(or will stand) RP that close to the presidency?
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:04 AM
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6. Lots of Ron Paul signs in mid-state Pennsylvania.
Edited on Sun May-18-08 08:04 AM by bronxiteforever
n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:06 AM
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7. Thanks for the report
Still a HUGE Ron Paul presence here in NW Arkansas. In fact, I have yet to see a McCain sign around here anywhere.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:15 AM
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8. Here in Ohio our neighbors are committed Paul fans.
They still have their signs up and my guess is that they will stay up until at least the convention. Good for them!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:44 AM
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32. Same here
lots of "independents" (aka people that think politics as usual suck ass) still have his signs up.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:33 AM
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12. Ha. I hope they enjoy that.. Hee. nt
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:26 AM
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46. Whether one believes in Paul or not, this is great news
I'd heard this is in the works and it will be a joy should his backers bring Operation Chaos back into their very own fold.
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:35 AM
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49. How many delegates does he have to cause a nightmare with?
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:34 PM
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56. And then you have Bob Barr
Bob Barr may very well strip off the Libertarian Republicans, which I am sure is one of the groups that really distrust McCain.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:49 PM
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58. I challenge
Edited on Sun May-18-08 12:50 PM by cbc5g
all the paul haters here to find a direct quote of a racist remark he made or an audio of him saying something racist, from a reputable link. You can't because it's not there and he isn't a racist. His voting record shows he isn't a racist. Libertarians naturally aren't racist. This 'gotcha' politics from both sides has got to stop. Just because you know someone who is bad or they support you doesnt mean you have to agree with them!!! Just because some racists support Paul doesnt mean Paul is racist, just because some racists support Hillary doesnt mean she is racist. Just because Ayers knew Obama doesnt mean obama is a terrorist sympathizer. Stop with this stuff people, its the same RW'ers do to us.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:58 PM
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59. Here you go .....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6016017&mesg_id=6016655

This is to an above comment of mine up thread. It's take from the Ron Paul Political report, which was the owner, editor, and writer of.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 04:36 PM
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69. He has psycho racists writing regularly on HIS NEWSLETTER!
Edited on Sun May-18-08 04:39 PM by mucifer
Give me a break!

It's not a church he goes to. It's HIS NEWSLETTER.

I think I'm gonna be ill.

I can't believe people are defending someone like this.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:05 PM
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63. I just watched him on BookTv this morning.
He's an insane bigot dressed up as a libertarian. He reminds me of every sociopath I've ever seen up close. They seem artless and sincere because *they* believe they are and so, other people believe it.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:32 PM
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71. Awesome! GO RON PAUL!
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