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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:37 PM
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Karl Rove advises Obama not to claim victory...says it would rub loser's nose in it.
Thank you so much, Mr. Rove, you outstanding citizen, you.

You are taking time out from such pastimes as interfering in Alabama politics

In the rough and tumble of Alabama politics, the scramble for power is often a blood sport. At the moment, the state's former Democratic governor, Don Siegelman, stands convicted of bribery and conspiracy charges and faces a sentence of up to 30 years in prison. Siegelman has long claimed that his prosecution was driven by politically motivated, Republican-appointed U.S. attorneys.

Now Karl Rove, the President's top political strategist, has been implicated in the controversy. A longtime Republican lawyer in Alabama swears she heard a top G.O.P. operative in the state say that Rove "had spoken with the Department of Justice" about "pursuing" Siegelman, with help from two of Alabama's U.S. attorneys.


More of what Karl Rove, the architect said to the Obama campaign in one of his three prestigious media positions which ignore his tainted past. He is "an analyst for Fox News and a contributor to Newsweek and the Wall Street Journal."

Wow.

Rove's advice

This month, Karl Rove, "the architect" of the last two Republican presidential victories, was on his new television perch at Fox News, offering free advice to Sen. Barack Obama as he closed in on the Democratic nomination.

Any move by Obama to declare victory before the last of the Democratic primaries in June, Rove said, would alienate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's wing of the party. "That's a mistake," he said. "That just is rubbing the loser's nose in it. And a lot of those supporters will remember it by November."


The response by Obama's campaign?

In the Obama campaign war room in Chicago, Rove's counsel was taken with a heavy dose of salt.

"Wouldn't taking his advice be a little like getting health tips from a funeral home director?" said Obama's press secretary, Bill Burton.


Rove is going to be pursued by Democrats in the House soon. They have even threatened arrest if need be. Good for them. About time.

Meanwhile he is a commentator who is being free rein to give Democrats advice.






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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:39 PM
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1. I advise KKKarl to head directly to prison
Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:39 PM
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2. Don't they still want to interview Rove about his involvement in Gov. Singleman of Alabama's
inprisonment?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:40 PM
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3. The Only Thing I'd Like To Hear From Rove Is...










Guilty your honor!






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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:40 PM
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4. Carl Rove should STFU
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:42 PM
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5. I am sure Obama knows how to deal with his own Bizzness .. Rove is just .
trying to say Obama listened to him.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:42 PM
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54. Carl Rove is trying desperately to be relevant. Go back to your ranch, Carl, and pray
you don't get indicted for war crimes with your buddies Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:43 PM
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6. Treason Karl should be giving his final advice to his hangman.
About making sure the rope is correctly fastened before his six foot drop. Treason is punishable by death.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:46 PM
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7. Rove just wants to prolong the infighting in the Dem. Party
arrest him!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:49 PM
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8. Pffffftttttt! Brwawawawawaawa!!
"Wouldn't taking his advice be a little like getting health tips from a funeral home director?" said Obama's press secretary, Bill Burton."

IOW..buzz off karl rove..our campaign doesn't take advice from you..and hilary is still rubbing her own nose in it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:51 PM
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9. I'll wager Obama follows that advice.
The BO camp hasn't gotten this far on just puppies and rainbows.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:20 PM
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14. If he's smart.
It's enough of a problem for Obama that his supporters are rubbing Clinton's supporters noses in it. He must avoid any appearance that he is doing this, or instigating it.

Even if he's not worried about losing the votes of Hillary's supporters, if he is elected President he needs to maintain a good working relationship with her. She will still be a Senator, and he would rather have her support than not when he's trying to get his agenda enacted.

If he's smart.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:53 PM
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10. Is anyone listening to Mr. So Out of Power?
LOL

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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:01 PM
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11. Who cares what Rove says. He is a loser, one trick pony and a treasonous bastard.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:02 PM
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12. I hate when people take him for some boy genius
the only way HE knows how to win ain't worth winning with-not for democrats anyway
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:10 PM
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13. Yeah, let's take advice from an unjailed criminal piece of pond-scum....
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:25 PM
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15. Karl Rove has won two elections - and numerous gubernatorial and senate races.
How many elections have the Obamites won?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:28 PM
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16. defending Karl Rove?
you definitely need to go back to FR


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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:29 PM
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17. Some of his advice is correct.
As much as the Obamites don't want to hear it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:15 PM
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30. It just happens to be the exact opposite of the advice he himself follows. Which isn't that
surprising, since he's giving this advice to the exact opposite of the party that pays his salary.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:32 PM
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32. It's always easier to sell a lie by wrapping it witha few scraps of truth.
Rove's not out to do us any favors.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:28 PM
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35. keep telling yourself that
to make you feel better

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:40 AM
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44. ALL of his advice is suspect...
especially "advice" given to a Democrat - free of charge. Oh, yeah - a steal at twice the price.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:30 PM
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18. It was completely predictable, of course.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:48 PM
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20. LOL...defending Rove to attack a Dem.
I'm shocked by this turn of events.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:49 AM
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41. Hey but its a "progressive" Meuthen
See Meuthen's are by nature a conservative species from planet Analcystia-5 So by his home planet's standards Meuthen's actually quite Progressive!

:evilgrin:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:29 AM
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42. Analcystia-5
:rofl:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:36 PM
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48. Its Rushbo's Home Planet
:evilgrin: I wonder why so many conservative seeming members seem fit to add "progressive" or "liberal" to their screen name. :shrug:

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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:06 PM
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22. So, you "think" Rove "WON" those elections?.?.? He only "WON" them by CHEATING"
You really have JUMPED THE SHARK.


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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:08 PM
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23. Every time a Democrat loses an election, it's because of cheating, right?
:crazy: :crazy:
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:49 PM
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37. So, if you "think" the republicons "WON" fair and square in 2000 and 2004.
Then you're the ONE who is :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:


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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:12 PM
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28. Karl Rove won 2000 against McCain by treating his primary challenger like shit.
Now, why would Karl Rove give the opposing party advice that is the exact opposite of what he does?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:44 PM
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36. I Can't Wait Until You're Banned...
You are worse than the freeper trolls that sneak in here. You post nothing but garbage.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:39 PM
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51. For the GOP. His loyalties are very clear - they've never wavered, not even now.
Anything he says is to help the GOP. Period.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:36 PM
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19. I'd advise that Rove request to be buried in secret so his grave isn't defiled. nt
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:06 PM
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21. "We will fuck him! We will fuck him like he's never been fucked before!"
That's a quote from the noble Mr. Rove. That reptile can STFU about what either of our campaigns should do.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:11 PM
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24. Karl Rove begging the dems not to play hardball? Delicious.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:11 PM
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25. Karl Rove can just take his nose out of Dems' business and stick it back up into W's ass
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:11 PM
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26. he's not claiming victory he will claim this tuesday he has won more PLEDGED DELEGATES
Thats the rules of the DNC so KKK Rove can shut the fuck up he thinks hes a brilliant strategist and hes not. this is the same guy in 06 predicted the rethugs wouldn't loose house seats.QUOTE: I've seen the math and it looks good for the republicains
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:12 PM
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27. The best advice is to ignore Rove. Always.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:13 PM
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29. Uh....why do we care what Rove has to say??
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

Why isn't he in the General Population at a maximum security prison??
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:31 PM
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31. Fuck you Rove, when Obama needs your advice he will ask Hillary.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:36 PM
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34. Never thought I'd agree with Karl Rove
But I do on this. I think Obama's plan to declare victory before June 4 is a big mistake. If Clinton does not drop out next Tuesday, she could use his declaration of victory to stir up resentment in the last 3 states, making people feel like he does not care about their votes. This could enable her to do better than expected in Montana and South Dakota and pull to a point where she can keep claiming to be ahead in the popular vote, even if she has to exclude 4 states and misconstrue the will of the people of Michigan by supposing that not a single person there preferred Obama. Plus, it will just make her supporters angry. He's better off waiting two weeks and then declaring victory after it's all over on a night when he is likely to win both primaries instead of a split verdict.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:50 PM
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38. Thanks for your concern, Rove. My inclination is to do the opposite
ergo Barack intends to declare victory Tuesday having garnered the majority of the pledged delegates. Enough of this pissing around waiting for the cling-on, the last failed candidate, to pull up her socks and concede. Time is money and the General Election is upon us.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:29 PM
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39. I think I now see why Rove is giving Dem candidates advice...
He's so used to getting his way with everything, never losing a single fight, that the part of him that knows a Dem will be elected in November is steering the rest of his brain. He'll snap out of it and realize he's a good Republican. Like Larry Craig the moment after orgasm.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:48 PM
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40. Go to Jail, do not pass GO, do not collect 200.00 and "shut the he** up"
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:34 AM
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43. I bet Karl just hated those "Sore Loserman" signs.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:41 AM
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45. Karl Rove advises Sun to rise in East ... avoids confusion
So now KKKarl can claim to have saved the world from cataclysm.
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Johnny Battleground Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:48 AM
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46. Know what... many may not like it but he is right.
It would be moronic for Obama to declare victory when he has not won.
Why piss in the face of opponents on your side?
Declaring victory would be doing precisely that... and Obama... our Prince of Weakness doesn't need to lose any more of the country.
He's not a uniter in the eyes of swing voters any longer, but a whiner.
Pass the F'in cheese.

Super Delegates Vote Hillary
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:53 AM
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47. I don't see what the big deal is.
All Rove is saying is that Obama should be a gracious winner. What's so sinister about that?

Should Obama be gloating at this point? Great way to not unify the party...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:37 PM
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49. So we should claim victory
Whatever he says we should do the opposite.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:38 PM
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50. But what if he's trying to use reverse psychology on DU?
what then? :freak:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:40 PM
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53. No
In 2000 with the recount mess his advice to Bush was to claim victory so he's being his typical trouble making self here.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:40 PM
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52. I see a lot in this thread agree with Rove.
Actually no one is declaring victory because the whole damn party is tippy toeing around not to offend her and her supporters.

But it is amazing to see people declaring him right.

Dean has said no one should be asked to get out....not a damn word here.

Others have agreed....nothing.

But hot damn let Rove say it and pow...he is right.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:43 PM
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55. Dr. Dean
has done such a great job. I really feel terribly saddened everytime I see democrats disparaging him. The last 3 congressional special election wins can be attributed to his commitment to a 50 state strategy and running hard in all districts even if they are in enemy territory.

Most people on here don't understand he's only enforcing the rules that were handed to him when he got there. The rules written in party by Terry Mac to help for an early Hillary victory.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:45 PM
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56. The Clntons will do what they can to hurt him.
And that is sad.
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:59 PM
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57. Rove is doing what he does best, and he is very good at what he does.
Best strategy for dealing with Rove? Ignore everything he says prosecute him for his crimes.
http://airamerica.com/content/crimes-karl-rove

Obama's press sec. screwed up when he compared Rove to a murderous funeral director. I feel an apology is owed to murderous funeral directors everywhere.
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