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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:28 PM
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FYI: The Secret to How Obama Financed his Campaign
As per the article, Obama's campaign is much like a Silicon Valley Startup.

This is information that should NOT be swept under the carpet here on DU.


The Amazing Money Machine

<snip>


What ultimately transformed the presidential race—what swept Obama past his rivals to dizzying new levels of campaign wealth—was not the money that poured in from Silicon Valley but the technology and the ethos.

<snip>

To understand how Obama’s war chest has grown so rapidly, it helps to think of his Web site as an extension of the social-networking boom that has consumed Silicon Valley over the past few years. The purpose of social networking is to connect friends and share information, its animating idea being that people will do this more readily and comfortably when the information comes to them from a friend rather than from a newspaper or expert or similarly distant authority they don’t know and trust. The success of social-networking sites like Facebook and MySpace and, later, professional networking sites like LinkedIn all but ensured that someday the concept would find its way into campaigning. A precursor, Meetup.com, helped supporters of Howard Dean organize gatherings during the last Democratic primary season, but compared with today’s sites, it was a blunt instrument.

<snip>.

When My.BarackObama.com launched, at the start of the campaign, its lineage was clear. The site is a social-networking hub centered on the candidate and designed to give users a practically unlimited array of ways to participate in the campaign. You can register to vote or start your own affinity group, with a listserv for your friends. You can download an Obama news widget to stay current, or another one (which Spinner found) that scrolls Obama’s biography, with pictures, in an endless loop. You can click a “Make Calls” button, receive a list of phone numbers, and spread the good news to voters across the country, right there in your home. You can get text-message updates on your mobile phone and choose from among 12 Obama-themed ring tones, so that each time Mom calls you will hear Barack Obama cry “Yes we can!” and be reminded that Mom should register to vote, too.

<snip>

The true killer app on My.BarackObama.com is the suite of fund-raising tools. You can, of course, click on a button and make a donation, or you can sign up for the subscription model, as thousands already have, and donate a little every month. You can set up your own page, establish your target number, pound your friends into submission with e-mails to pony up, and watch your personal fund-raising “thermometer” rise. “The idea,” Rospars says, “is to give them the tools and have them go out and do all this on their own.” The organizing principle behind Obama’s Web site, in other words, is the approach Mark Gorenberg used with such success—only scaled to such a degree that it has created an army of more than a million donors and raisers. The Clinton campaign belatedly sought to mimic Obama’s Internet success, and has raised what in any other context would be considered significant money online—but nothing like Obama’s totals, in dollars or donors. John McCain’s online fund-raising has been abysmal.



http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200806/obama-finance
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:30 PM
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1. It was a grand use of Web 2.0 and it worked!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Yes, but don't pretend that the Obama campaign is all pure and effortless
because it wasn't and isn't.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:37 PM
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7. Pure and effortless? Who said that? It was genius
Effectively looking at the technology available and the social and political climate and creating a perfect campaign, from organization to message. Isn't that what we want from our leadership? Taking advantage of the tools available to make the right decisions in the right situations?

If he runs the Presidency half as good we will all be better off.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Sorry, I want a human being in office, NOT a product or some hype.
:puke:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. Than you should vote for Obama.....
as he is the best person currently in the race.

And better yet, he doesn't pander, lie, kiss ass, and encourage divisiness in order to win.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
25. And you don't think Clinton is a brand or there's any hype there?
Wanna buy a bridge to nowhere?
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
30. I wan't someone who doesn't piss away $250M
to not gain a single inch of ground in the polls over a year of campaigning.

Obama has shown himself to be the better Executive in the contest, hands down.

I can put up the same website for myself tomorrow with all of the exact same features. Does that mean I'll raise a billion dollars and get whisked into the WHite House too?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #12
36. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?
:rofl:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #12
39. Obama is a Community Organizer. This is what he does.
He knows how to build things from the ground up.

This is what we need in a President.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
68. This is ALL HYPE backed up with NOTHING! nt
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #68
95. actually it's backed up by 1.5 million donors
Millions of Voters
and Obama's career in Community Organization, Civil Rights, and Constitutional Law

Stop all this weeping
Swallow your Pride
You will not die
It is not Poison
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #95
118. Frankly, my dear I don't give a damn. Obama is all hype with no substance. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #118
139. Well, he's going to be the Dem candidate whether we like it or not.
Might as well start getting used to it.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #118
148. I would say your understanding of Substance parallels Kevin James' knowledge of Neville Chamberlain
You know the words, but not the meanings.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
61. Yes, it's much better to back a candidate who shakes down relatively few wealthy donors until
they're maxed out ... Wouldn't want to back someone who has massive nationwide grassroots support from the little people, would we now?
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
63. Why can't you hillary supporters stop this nonsense..it is so not needed..
we are here to get behind the nomonee...it is time for this to take place unless you are working for mc cain...
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #12
84. So human beings run ineffective campaigns?
:shrug:

What specifically do you not like about Obama that is unique to him?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #12
85. like 3 testicle Hillary? Tuzla Hillary? Throw back whiskey shots Hillary? "Found my voice Hillary"?
which Hillary is the human being?

Sure there isn't a dozen of her somewhere?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #85
94. Apparently, it's a package deal.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
160. Obama is not a human being?
What is he, an alien?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. Why don't you spell out what does this "Pure" mean?
Silicon Valley has people living there. They live in San Mateo, in Menlo Park, in Redwood City, in Palo Alto, etc.

Many of these folks are innovators.

They were looking for a candidate to support.

They looked toward Hillary, but she was too blind to see.

They looked toward Obama, and there he was with a platform that suited them perfectly.

Due to it, many wrote checks in the amount of $2,300, the max.

There's a reason that folks with higher education making over $100,000 per year vote for Obama. They are smart as hell.

Why would you want to think that one of Obama's demographic group would not do what they can to support their candidate?

Problem that you have is that you must think that we didn't read the whole article. You must have mistaken us for Hillary supporters who only need a few buzz words and an implication in order to come to some illogical conclusion.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #3
136. So, you would prefer
Hillary's campaign in which money mismanagement, according to insiders, "bordered on fraud."

Go for it!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:32 PM
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2. This has been posted several times.. great article.. GOBAMA ! It's not being
swept anywhere.. no need to try to make something nefarious out of it.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. It's the first I've seen it and I find it key to understanding the kool aid drinkers. nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. You are welcome to insult all 17 million of us (plus our elected leaders) if that makes you feel
better, but you're missing the essential element of this entire "phenomenon", from the article you posted:

"But Obama would not be where he is today if he did not possess a preternatural ability to elicit huge sums. Obama prompts an impulse in people to reach for historical antecedents when describing him—as a speaker, Martin Luther King Jr.; as an inspiration to young voters, Robert F. Kennedy."

No Silicon Valley platform or marketing program would matter a whit if Obama wasn't who he is. Sorry you're so .. bitter.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #9
16. Can the kool aid, would ya?
:puke:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. If you are a Clinton supporter, you reflect exactly why she was unable to see
what was staring her in the face.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
29. You don't want to talk. People have tried to respond to you here. You're just an ass. Now you're
IGNORED>
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #29
60. Ah, now comes the personal attacks. Is that what they teach at Obama school?
:eyes:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. Actually it was you Debbie Downer who came onto a positive thread to fling poo
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. You all are a bunch of sharks looking to tear anyone who speaks TRUTH apart.
Nice unity and campaign you've got going there. NOT!
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #75
93. Actually you need to preface all you remarks with "in my humble opinion"
Because so far your posts have been fact free
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #93
120. I've posted many links to prove my points in other threads and every time I get no reply
The truth hurts and you all can't handle it.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #75
98. We just want to know what your problem with Obama is.
We're not saying you can't criticize him, but your criticism so far seems to be that he's a "product" just because he ran a hugely successful campaign.

All we want is a reasonable answer from you about why you dislike him and what makes him uniquely unlikable.

Not substantiating an answer and running away while screaming "Hope and Unity, my ass!" does not help your argument.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #98
123. Obama is a corporatist.
Here's some TRUTH about Obama for ya:

Obama Peddles The Same "War On Terror" Lie As The Rest Of Them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4598201

Obama caves to Illinois coal mine owners - OR is Liquefied Coal the future?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=296x6743

The "Appeal" and Legacy of Ronald Reagan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2721736
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #123
129. Fine, but how is that unique to him?
You could easily make the same charge against Hillary.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #60
100. Personal attacks? You've been insulting Sen. Obama and his supporters all throughout this thread.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 05:25 PM by Window
Now you want to accuse people of personally attacking you! Unfuckingbelievable, but then that's par for the course for you and your ilk. You don't belong here. Take that shit to hillary44 or someplace else.

:grr:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #100
124. How am I insulting you by telling you the TRUTH? WTF?!
:wtf:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
150. and get off my lawn, kid!
:rofl:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. sour grapes.
tough. Obama effectively organized. That's not a sign of cultism. It's a sign of effective strategy.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
32. If it was Hillary's you'd be congratulating her. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:34 PM
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5. It hasn't been sweept under. It is on DU's front page, 2nd article to the right,
and it was me that posted it.

see -----> http://www.democraticunderground.com/

The op is titled, The Skinny Tall Black/White Dude w/t the Big Voice from Chicago via Hawaii is gonna kick ASS!
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
51. And I posted it here on Wednesday.
Under the original title: 'Obama's Amazing Money Machine.'

I cross-posted it to my blog, and I got the link from Political Wire. The story's been around for a few days.

- as
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
112. ah yes, that was the one where the crickets had a merrry party
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:37 PM
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6. Just goes to show how brilliant Obama is.
HE took on the best and pounded her into the ground.

He obviously is a better instinctive politician than Bill Clinton ever was.

Absolutely brilliant. Kudoes to Obama.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Let's see, Obama is sold as a HYPED PRODUCT, not as a person and that's good?
:wtf:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. That's not what the article states.......
that's what an uninformed Clinton supporter says.

Big difference!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. It's BRILLIANT!
Political campaigns and marketing campaigns are one and the same.

IF you don't market the product well, you lose.

I admire the way Obama has been able to take on the umber one name brand in Democratic politics and utterly destroy them.

To use a business analogy, this would be like an operating system and business applications startup company devising it's marketing strategy in the garage of the CEO's home, then putting it to work taking on Microsoft and utterly destroyiing Microsoft.

It was completely brilliant!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
26. No, it's called USING people. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. Have you given to Obama? If you haven't , then what you say means jack shit......
I know I have contributed, and my investment has paid off.

I'm using my money to speak for me, and it looks like I will have a voice.

Bout you?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. If you don't beleive that Clinton was marketing herself
just like Obama marketed himself, you are a naive fool.

Political campaigns ARE NOTHING MORE THAN MARKETING CAMPAIGNS!

There is absolutely no difference whatsoever.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #26
53. You give people NO credit for their own abilities to evaluate and decide.
You're just convincing me how much I don't want people like you running the U.S. and I swear that I have tried and will continue to try to respect HC and her followers, but some of you ARE frighteningly authoritarian.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. I'm not a Clinton supporter either. But at least she hasn't got a kool aid drinking following. nt
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. Could you be anymore disingenuous?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. WTF are talking about? I don't like Obama, I think he's all hype and a fake.
I wanted Gore and I wanted Edwards.

I think DU is full of people in denial.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #77
101. And you are? And we should do what based on your opinions expressed on this thread?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #101
126. For starters, Why don't you Educate Yourself instead of drinking the Kool Aid?! nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #62
96. Hunny, I stopped drinking kool aid when I learned what nuclear war is at the age of 15 and
I've got the Grassroots action bonifides to proove it.

I'm approaching 60 now and I care about FREEDOM only just a little less than I care about the lives of my Children.

Obama is a tool for MY purposes; I would have nothing to do with if he weren't.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
132. You must have forgotten your "sarcasm" icon
because you surely couldn't be serious.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #26
67. Please go directly to hillary.com to donate, so you too can be used
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #26
86. using people? .............oh well
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #26
106. At least he doesn't have little boys selling their bikes and toys in order
to raise money like hillery.

:rofl:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
64. Obama used disruptive innovation aimed at underserved customers who were ignored by established ...
processes for political fund raising. Obama donors don't have to be invited to a fancy fund raiser at a rich person's house.

The majority of Obama donors are not maxed out, unlike Clinton donors who shot their wad for the primaries early and are now contributing to a GE fund that they won't have to make good on if she doesn't get the nomination.

I want the smart one for president.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
52. He's the Diablo Cody of Politics
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #52
116. That makes Hillary Pia Zadora.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
122. If Your Pony had the Sense God Gave a Groundhog
She'd have done the same thing. The fun part is that Hillary STILL doesn't understand why she lost. Welcome to the new word order. Your candidate (and you) missed the bus. It's why your candidate when from coasting to an easy win to handing over the nomination to Obama.

Enjoy the next week or two. It's about all the time you have left on DU to fuss about it.
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:37 PM
Response to Original message
8. Here:
Edited on Sat May-17-08 04:38 PM by tofunut
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6009871


Another post claiming that Obama supporters are latte-liberal cult followers.

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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #8
24. Actually, isn't this a post containing the exact same article from The Atlantic in the OP?
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
43. Yes, the article that's "being swept under the rug"
is already posted at the link, elsewhere in GDP, and on the home page.

(In other words, not such a big secret after all.)
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #43
74. Sorry, I hope that didn't come across as snarky...
too much time i GD-P makes one a little tense.:hi:
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #74
89. So true.
It can be hard to remain snarkless here!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
13. People-Powered-Politics ... the horror
:eyes:

Sour grapes sure abound in the springtime.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. Guess you like being manipulated and "SOLD" a product. I'd rather make up my OWN mind. nt
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #20
37. How would you fund a campaign today that is different? Remember, you
want to win, so don't say "just what Hillary is doing." Apparently, that is not how it's done anymore.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
40. If you supported any candidate
Edited on Sat May-17-08 04:53 PM by IWantAnyDem
you were SOLD A PRODUCT!

Get a clue.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
41. You miss the point completely.
It is politics from the bottom up - the best, because it involves "we the people".

"none so blind as those who cannot see".

Obama saw and understood - so did some very smart people.

Clinton has always been top-down - i.e. she expects her followers to fall in line - those that cannot think for themselves.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #20
42. You're demonstrating an inability to reason validly.
You IMMEDIATELY attacked me personally without the slightest basis. Such ad hominem fallacies abound with those incapable of reasoning validly.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #42
56. Attacked you personally by saying I don't want to be manipulated? Are you serious?
Edited on Sat May-17-08 05:00 PM by TheGoldenRule
:crazy:

Logic obviously isn't your strong suit.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #56
76. I see you can't read and take responsibility for your own post, either.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 05:14 PM by TahitiNut
:eyes:

Who could possibly take your crap seriously?

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #76
83. I can't take you seriously either because you attack rather than discuss. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #20
58. Perhaps you do, but apparently you don't think anyone else can or should. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:40 PM
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14. Master's in Curriculum Design for the web here > I was blown away when I first saw it.
I'm signed up. It's got something for all levels of commitment and for everyone's personal action preferences all right at your fingertips, including highly enriched resources on the Issues and News about the campaign.

As a technology user for over 20 years now, both personally and professionally, I've got to say :applause: :applause: :applause:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. Can you even IMAGINE what this connectivity is going to do for American and activism once Obama is
President and we need to pass legislation? It BLOWS MY MIND to think of it. An entire party, connected like that. Too bad some are so threatened by the tremendous success of our Party after years of Republican Rule.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #23
45. It has tools for the concrete fact-to-face too, which IS essential. My Community Corp is on it's
way too = the Democratic Party's next step in The 50 State strategy. MyCC doesn't have all of the bells and whistles that BarackObama.com has but MyCC is a HUGE improvement over what used to happen whenever you asked the party for a walk-list.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:40 PM
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18. Get a clue..
Go Obama MOney Maker that outsmarted the big clinton donor machine with millions of People wanting..Get Ready For IT...TA DA..CHANGE!

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Ain't gonna be no change because Obama is a STATUS QUO CORPORATIST. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. Bullshit..like I said..Get A Clue..your
ignorance is showing.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #22
46. I would point to the words in your own sig line...you seem to be somewhere between
Edited on Sat May-17-08 05:01 PM by DAGDA56
stages one and two. If anyone is looking for an example of irony...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #46
72. No, the denial is ALL yours. nt
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. I'm not denying anything...but you do seem to be....The Golden Rule starts with..
..."do unto others" not "project unto others"...but of course you knew that already.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. Get a clue and read my sig line. This is NOT about me. So stop the personal attacks. nt
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
47. yeah, with more than 1.5 million
non-corporatists supporting him.

Is that why Hillary ran out of money?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #22
54. Do you buy your hackneyed rhetoric at some big box store
for political sloganeering? What does that even mean? Do you believe that Obama will carry on the bushco status quo? Where's the evidence for that? Do you just automatically assume any politician is a corporatist? Bernie Sanders takes money from those employed by corporations. So is he a corporatist? When you say there won't be any change, can you elaborate? Do you understand that Clinton takes PAC and Lobbyist money and more "corporate" money than Obama? You really haven't articulated anything here. Are you able to do better than this sort of lame sloganeering?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #22
65. We are the ones we've been waiting for. Obama is a means to OUR ends. That is what this software
prooves.

You really just don't get it do you? Top-down is being de-constructed as we speak.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #22
80. Just how do you know that..do you read tea leaves....please stop
with all these talking points that the hillary campaign gives you to repeat and repeat...
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
27. Hillary's machine must be in the shop.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. Probably needs a new timing belt
;)
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. And a whole lot of WD-40.
;)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #33
70. Shave those Mods!! and Gimme' back my avatar!!! nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:49 PM
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44. WOW! Genius PURE Genius
Obama's campaign is brilliant! Reading this gives me even more confidence in Obama. I know he'll make it to the Whitehouse. :bounce:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. I'd like to meet the person who developed the logo
Utterly brilliant. Every aspect of the campaign demonstrated a group that was so tuned into the American public that it had to be a winner.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
48. Heee.... Silicon Valley Start-Ups
Are made to be bought and sold to / by billion dollar corporations.

ps - There's only one, fairly dismissive, mention of Howard Dean in this article. While I realize the article is perhaps more about the Facebook-style social networking aspect, it was Dean's campaign that showed the way. I can't help but believe there are people in Obama's black book who'd like to see him gone just as much as Clinton's :(
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:57 PM
Response to Original message
55. What about the Rezko starter money? That wasn't spare change!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Oh yes, and we know the Clintons get all their money from the most pristine people.
:eyes:

You know, the Rezko thing is getting pretty old. They've had the trial and found NOTHING to pin on Obama. IIRC, they actually found more links to the Clintons and some of Rezko's associates.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. Yeah, what about that? Of course it's swept under the carpet too. nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #66
97. it did? interesting-you have proof?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #55
69. Ah, ah, ah . . . Hsu! Pardon me for sneezing during your Rezko rant. nt
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #69
108. Bingo!
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #55
81. Hsu, Burkle, Gupta, Giustra...
Need some more?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #81
110. Bingo!!!
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:59 PM
Response to Original message
57. THIS is exactly what I like about Obama...
He understands how to best use technology and community to get people to rally.

Clinton thought she could just shout from the mountaintop and that is why she failed. Obama lets his movement grow from the people.

This is REAL grass roots work going on.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #57
79. That's it in a nutshell. Two different constituencies, one with an Amazing Tool, and the other ...
dependent upon the dinosaurs who are doing McCain's thinking for him (and THEY even seriously under-performed as dinosaurs, because it was a win:win for them ((McCain:Clinton))).

She COULD have had it, but she assumed waaaaaaayyyy tooooooo much about us.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:11 PM
Response to Original message
78. Meme of the day apparently—Conf. Call Astroturfing Vol. V...
Already run in a closed “Cult” post by another talking-point spewing co-hort.

Nothing to see here.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #78
90. You can watch these two discuss their posts in the THIRD thread, a post which
calls out the mods for locking the first one.

They are desperate, and pathetic.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #90
102. And this OP accuses the mods of being swayed by bribery...
...in the same thread.

Whoa.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. Yup.. it has been unbelievable to watch this unfold here.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #103
119. This will not end well. :( n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #78
117. actually plenty to see here
this is one reason the Hillary campaign lost.

she and her supporters seem to think that participatory democracy is a sham and organization at the grass roots level is taking advantage of people.

yes, these statements are bizarro world for a democracy, but we haven't been living in much of a democracy for the last 8 years so maybe it's just a manifestation of Stockholm Syndrome.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #78
121. Yup Spam every thread with your spam line.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:17 PM
Response to Original message
87. Kicking for a good explanatory article
:kick:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. Yes, Some truth around DU for a change. nt
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #87
92. These games you two are playing on this board are NOT going to help you get the answers
you are looking for. Not cool.. at all.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #92
99. answers---we do`t need no stinkn` answers...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #92
113. Games? WTF are you talking about? You Obama nuts are the game players!
You descend en masse on threads you don't like and then alert bomb the hell out of them to shut them down.

Don't talk to me about games since you have all learned them in the school of Obama propaganda!

:puke:
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:27 PM
Response to Original message
104. So they BOUGHT the nomination.....obama for sale
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. What? No, they got more people involved and got more people to donate.
Are you joking or something?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #104
109. No. More people gave money. More money=more support
He doesn't self-finance his campaign like Hillary does.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #104
111. clueless comment
this is the 21st century. participatory democracy. get used to it.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #104
115. Yep, that's it in a nutshell. nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:28 PM
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105. a good article and one every politician needs to understand
as the first reply said - this is an example of the web 2.0 - or the web as a form of social and political organization. this is one of THE topics now in terms of information usage and literacy.

Yes, Dean and his advisors saw the future. Obama had advisors who were smart enough to take social/political networking to the next level.

I think it is very inspiring that the web can be such a democratizing instrument.

Wikis are about information pooling and vetting - if the information has errors, someone may correct this by citing sources to edit. Wiki users get to pick what they think is of interest. Wikis don't replace traditional sources of information, but they make information more broadly available.

Phone logs online - that is a beautiful concept. brilliant.

I don't know what you find objectionable exactly in the article. Times changes. Ways of doing things change. We have been through a score of years that have been about making the web more accessible and useful to more people in more ways.

I hope the web 2.0 strategy will help to create a landslide victory that will bring a super majority into congress as well, because we need that to address issues the republicans have failed to even acknowledge, much less address.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
114. Why respond to this fucked up approach to publicizing Obama's excellent
campaign skills and brilliant grasp for what it takes, when y'all could do the same thing here....in the world of positivity--:shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6003587
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #114
127. Silly post, isn't it?
Sorta like saying the REAL PROBLEM with a certain third-grade teacher is that she used superior training aids thus causing her students to obtain the highest math scores in the state. Odd reasoning wouldn't you say?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:43 PM
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125. Did you even read the article? It proves his campaign was funded by voters.
You're right - this should not be swept under the carpet - promote this far and wide to show how much he deserves this nomination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #125
128. No, this was run like some sort of business with a product being sold. nt
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #128
131. Um...welcome to politics?
It's advertising, pr and promotion - how else would we know what the differences were between the candidates? The means have changed throughout history, but the process is the same. Thankfully this time we have a nominee with substance, intelligence and morals to back it up.

Name one politician in the history of the world who's campaign wasn't run like that. Go ahead, name them...
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #128
141. What do you think politics is?
EVERY candidate tries to sell themselves. They may go about the specifics differently, but they ALL do it.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #128
146. the internets. a series of tubes.
I actually included a very non-hostile post here explaining the significance of this. you might want to compare it to the Nixon-Kennedy debates, or Roosevelt's Fireside Chats with the advent of radio.

that's all it is - there is not big horror story to sweep under the rug at DU. that's laughable, really. it's about the modern world and the way in which many people today use the internet in so very many facets of their lives.

what's the scandal in this?

you act like grass roots democracy is the problem!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #125
130. OH NOES !! This is HUGH !!11!! I'll NEVER vote for a man supported by voters !!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #130
133. I'm supporting whoever the lobbyists tell me to!
Those darn voters can't fool me!!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #130
149. LOL
it's sad, isn't it? especially b/c this person has a Gore icon - Gore, who was so instrumental in making the intertubes part of our democracy.

anyone upset about this article should not donate money to any candidate. instead they should use that money to buy a clue.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:08 PM
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134. Ok, I've got stuff to do. Wish I could say it's been real, but it's NOT.
Oh and BTW, alert bombing, turning threads into flame fests and working to get people tombstoned who don't worship Obama is TOTAL BULLSHIT. :puke:

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #134
161. No, not posting a clear reason why the article upset you is total BS.
You never made clear why Obama's fundraising model SPECIFICALLY upset you.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:16 PM
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135. Old vs. New - Hillary=Old - Obama=New. Period. Any questions?
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:33 PM
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137. I am frankly puzzled by this post.
I read it and said,"So, that's what I thought. Good fundraising is key, the Obama campaign is doing a good job."

Then I read the followup postings and discovered that I was supposed to read it and think just the opposite, "OMG! The Obama campaign is using technology effectively. Even worse, they're recruiting people and providing them with effective tools! Oh NO! How could they?!?!"

I really, honestly honestly don't understand how this can be construed negatively.

Please explain....

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #137
138. It was never about that. First post of this article got locked when OP tried to paint all
Obama supporters as CULT members. This one came along and reposted same article, but when anyone tried to discuss the article, they were called cultists or kool-aid drinkers, so, it was nothing but flamebait. Then the first OP of the locked thread posted an OP calling out the Mods for locking HER thread. Then they both jumped in on each other's threads accusing the mods of taking bribes for leaving threads open and slamming Obama supporters.

Got it.. ? :hi:

IOW, you won't get a response to your question.. you'll get attacked.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:54 PM
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140. LOL...what a day.
:)
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #138
142. Ah. thanks, I've been working all day...
and fell behind the pace.

Boy, you gotta stay on top of things here at Old DU!

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #142
143. As The Underground Turns. Its been entertaining to watch. I was waiting for the anti-climactic
ending, but perhaps they're waiting on a sequel !
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:03 PM
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144. Thanks. I too was a bit baffled.
That will show me for going outside on a beautiful day and returning to find more madness. :hi: But what do i know, I'm just one of those $50.00 fancy pants lobbyists, who donated online. :rofl:
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:19 PM
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145. The “Call-out” jammie is now in the vault...
...and I think those two may well have been...well, let's just say,

special friends... :)


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:27 PM
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147. ROFLMAO !! You're a riot.. I shall don my funeral garb and ready for the ceremony !
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:49 PM
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151. This thread is funny
The intent sort of backfired. ;)
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:59 PM
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152. Not really...
Flame-bait generally begets a flame-fest.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:21 PM
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153. While Obama was tuning up his winning machine,
the DLC was ridiculing the "Nutroots" and activists.

The Clinton Authoritarian DLC is in a death spiral as the Party control is being redistributed to MILLIONS, as it should be.
No wonder the Hillary campaign fell apart.
She has no idea.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:05 PM
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154. Too bad for you that Obama is a DLCer in disguise. nt
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #154
155. Yeah.
Of course. The Senator with the 10th most liberal voting record IN CONGRESS is not a liberal.
Geezus.
Like read a newspaper or something.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:39 PM
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156. Liberal my a$$.
:eyes:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #154
158. Do you have anything to back up that assertion? Seriously.
Please show us some hard data that demonstrates this.

sw
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 05:38 PM
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162. Community Organizer vs. Pro-WAR Wal-Mart lawyer........
I'll take my chances with Obama.

Thanks for your concern.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:44 PM
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157. WATB. n/t
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:27 PM
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159. I've waited ages to use this
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