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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:10 PM
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not so fast...

    not so fast



    Hillarys voice is OUR voice,
    and shes speaking for all of us






    We are the women of this nation. We are rich and poor, young and old, married with children, married without children, single moms, gay, straight, and widowed. We are every color. We are of every religion. We are from all political parties.

    We love our country. Now more than ever, so much of what we cherish is at risk -- our homes and our health, our safety and our planet, our children and our values. We raise our voices, in one glorious, defiant chorus to tell the world that these times demand strength, courage and vision.

    And that is why we stand united in our unwavering support of Hillary Clinton.

    As this indefatigable woman campaigns, she speaks with our voice. She carries our hopes, dreams and aspirations with her and transforms them into policies that can make our nation great again.

    We know that Hillary will not rest until every American has health insurance, every child can start school ready to learn, every young person has a chance to attend college, every worker will have a safe job at decent wages. She will not rest until our men and women in the military receive the care they deserve and American foreign policy is grounded in human rights and military strength.

    We know this because we have seen her do it - - at home and around the world.

    Women risked all they held dear to make this country great. They put their lives on the line in all our quests for justice - - from Abigail Adams to Sojourner Truth to Susan B. Anthony to Eleanor Roosevelt to Fannie Lou Hamer to Barbara Jordan to Ann Richards to Dolores Huerta. And now, Hillary.

    We know that when women vote, Democrats win. Now it is the responsibility of our party to hear our voices and count all of our votes.

    We want Hillary to stay in this race until every vote is cast, every vote is counted, and we know that our voices are heard.



    This is a recreation by Maribelle of a full page ad in todays USA Today, Friday, May 16, 2008. The original ad in the USA Today was Paid for by WomenCount PAC and not authorized by any candidate or candidates committee.

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:11 PM
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1. Thats a very nice picture of Hillary
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:16 PM
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13. Indeed it is the ONLY picture of change given O's advisors "just campaign talk"
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #13
50. Then you haven't been paying attention
That's ok, you'll vote for Obama anyway.

So will Hillary
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:49 PM
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95. She looks like she's doing a Neil Diamond impersonation.
I find it kind of weird and unsettling (and for the record, I normally consider her an attractive woman).
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #95
108. Great minds think alike.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #108
122. LOL!
Every time I see that pic, I hear the opening strain of "Comin' to America" in my head. She just needs to trade the quilted leather for sequins, and the look will be complete.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #122
124. She's singing a song sung blue and crying in her pretzels.
Washing all the salt away from the dough.

See what happens when you grow up with a Neil Diamond loving dad? :)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #124
135. ...weepin' like a willow. n/t
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #95
112. Song Sung Blue...... every Hillary knows one
:evilgrin:
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:38 PM
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131. Where's her Harley??
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:32 PM
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154. It certainly is.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:12 PM
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2. Looks like she doesn't have enough sense to get in out of the rain. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:12 PM
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3. I'm a 50 year old white woman
and she does not speak for me.

Can you imagine if black folks ran an ad like this? And you want to talk about sexism in this race???

This is fucking disgusting.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Yes..nt
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:17 PM
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19. 50 year old white woman" - "This is fucking disgusting" - & you wonder why Hills votes go to McCain
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:37 PM
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It is disgusting. They're using wedge politics.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #19
59. Oh I'm sorry... did she not speak enough like a "lady" for you?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #59
75. I think that out of respect for the next president of the United States
The hubris should be turned down immediately. Obama would never, ever behave so poorly. As his supporters, we should show the same gentility, graciousness and good sense.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. Then perhaps it's not a good idea for the OP to put up something she knows will offend more than
half the women on this board. It's utterly condescending, for one, and it's inaccurate.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #78
89. You have a point...
We can't control everyone... we can control our responses.

I don't think it's worth making Obama supporters look bad by responding in a "them's fightin' words" way either.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #89
96. True. I suppose that's why "ignore" is an option. Sigh... time to add another.
(not you... the OP).
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #96
101. Yep...
The time will come soon that the in-fighting around here will have to end. Until then, avoiding is a good thing.

I'll be clearing my ignore list soon... until then, I'm practicing being strong :)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
77. I know! At the age of 50, you're not allowed to swear!!!
Ah the wisdumb of papau!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #77
121. Thank fucking gawd you're allowed again at age 52. n/t
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
23. I'm 50 years old as well!
And I find the ad embarrassing! It's some rock star, doctored photograph with a tome of melodrama attached. It insults my intelligence.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
25. Didn't take you long to trash this thread, now did it?
Does using the F word make you feel pretty?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. fuckin-a it does
any time I stand against sexist bullshit I feel pretty.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #29
38. Well perhaps you need to work on your vocabulary then.
Those words are merely trash. Nothing more.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. I like my fucking vocabulary
if my fucking vocabularly offends your sense of prettiness, put me on ignore.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #52
74. My sense of prettiness? Ha ha ha.
Get over yourself.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #74
83. You need to get over yourself. Presuming to speak for all women?
Your ego is humongous.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:27 PM
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39. Is that what feminism is about--feeling pretty?
Look at that pretty rock star pic of Senator Clinton! We wouldn't want to have a photo of what the Senator actually looks like, would we? Everyone knows that people judge women based on what they look like.

Feminism? Hardly.

I've stayed away from all of this for the last 16 months, but this is an area I feel very strongly about, and the hypocrisy of this ad--to say nothing of the disingenuous hyperbole--is mind boggling!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. You deny the right of the group of women that make up WomenCount PAC to speak for themselves?
Truly telling, that.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. They have every right to speak for themselves.
What I resent is their claim that they, and Hillary Clinton, speak for all women. They don't speak for me, or any of the women in my family.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. You've misread the ad then.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #57
92. Did I misread the part that says: "We are the women of this nation"
I think that's what has some DUers objecting.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #92
141. It should say we are the predominantly older white women who happen to be Clinton supporters
Last I checked there are also women in this country who describe themselves as Republicans and some of them support McCain
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #57
93. Really? Then what does; "We are the women of this nation." mean?
The way it reads, they're saying that they are "the women of this nation".

I know, it's kind of a stretch to think that they're talking about all the women of the nation by saying they are 'the women of this nation'...

So tell me, if they are "The women of this nation", what nation are the rest of the women in this nation members of?



PS; there's really no other way to say it- your position is fucking stupid.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #46
56. Deny them the right? Of course not.
But I find it insulting to such a degree that I actually wonder about the motives of WomanCount PAC.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #46
63. Deny them the right? Oh they can speak for themselves
But your sense of entitlement for more than that is where it ends.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
80. Wasn't necessary... it started out that way.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
76. I do believe you made a great point.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
107. You're in the minority
Tell it to your Obama friends. We could care less.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #107
158. Why be so nasty?
And why post a response if you could 'care less'?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #3
155. ALERT!
Calling a post 'fucking disgusting' is a personal attack!!!! :silly:


Seriously... I know they'll never say, but I'd bet a booty that the mods are inundated with Clinton people alerting every 5 seconds from their manufactured outrage.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
162. me either. she never will. she's beyond the pale here.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:13 PM
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4. SHe looks like Celine Dion's grandmother
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. Wouldn't that be Celine Dion's mother?
Isn't Celine Dion around 40? HRC is too young to be her grandmother. SOmeone posted this letter yesterday. HRC doesn't speak for all women. No need to say more.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:13 PM
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5. ooh. It's a PAC speaking for all of us
'Us' being the wealthy who have already donated $4,600 to Hillary and now are throwing good money after bad into a PAC.

Lobbyists are people too, aren't they?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
54. Nope. WomenCount PAC speaks only for the women in the orginazation.
Too bad the obama following trying to trash this thread have the ill-conceived self-centered false notion that the pac attempts to speak for them. Well they don't.

They speak for themselves.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #54
90. So it should say "we are the women of WomenCount PAC"
Not "we are THE women of this nation".
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #90
98. Ding Ding Ding!!
Amazing how this flies right over this person's head.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #90
113. Exactly.
My wife certainly doesn't feel that she's part of this group, by the look of her face at the post.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #90
126. What's sad is that she's to delusional to realize what it says.
It's just amazing that even reading comprehension goes out the window when the desire is strong enough.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #126
129. Is that a personal attack against me?
Edited on Fri May-16-08 05:32 PM by Maribelle
Please correct your spelling of 'to' it should be 'too'.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #129
144. It cetainly is a personal attack directed at you.
It's about all they post anymore.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #144
150. Carefull! You didn't spell 'certainly' right... Maribelle might alert on you!
Calling a delusional person 'delusional' isn't a personal attack. A 'personal attack' would be something like;

"You are a fucking moron!"

Or

"You smell like moldy peanut butter!"


You guys have proven yourselves delusional during this primary, and I've cached the links to back it up. So when I call you 'delusional', not only is it an observation, but it's one I can back up.

I just hope you guys come back to your senses after the nominee (BHO) is confirmed. Reality will welcome you with open arms again.


Good luck.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #129
148. LOL... alert away. I'm calling you 'delusional'. It's not an "attack", it's an observation.
So now you're the typo police too?

You don't realize how far you've had to sink to get here, do you?

That's part of why you're delusional.


Now, I promise to take it back and offer my apologies for calling you 'delusional' if you can admit that the phrase "We are the women of this nation" means, uhh... the women of this nation. :shrug:

Otherwise, yeah... you're a fruit loop.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #129
152. Besides... I wasn't even talking to you anyway.
I was talking about you.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:14 PM
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7. Thanks but I don't need to be co-opted by Clinton today
and it's nauseating to see women's history being claimed by the Obliterater.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. . .. . .. .
"nauseating to see women's history being claimed by the Obliterater"

:thumbsup:
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #7
36. The words are by the WomenCount PAC not affiliated to Hillary's campaign
WomenCount PAC is made up of Democrats, Independents, Republicans and others.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. And I have a nice bridge you might want to look at. n/t
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:14 PM
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8. REC - Hillary speaks for me.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:16 PM by DemGa
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:14 PM
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9. good. Let her stay in the race until the last primary, then she'll bow out.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:15 PM
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10. she sure as hell doesn't speak for me or my generation
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. Not for me either
and not for any of the women in my family --
and not even for a single one of my female friends.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #10
61. She NEVER spoke for me.
I speak for myself. I don't need a spokesperson.

Sadly, Hillary failed to run a competent campaign until it was too late. Now she has to use innuendoes and cliches to get her so-called message across.

I never really knew what her core message was. She was alway coopting someone else's message.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:15 PM
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12. She doesn't speak for me
I respect and admire her and her supporters for their tenacity, but I object to this ad's claim that she speaks for all women. She does not speak to me, or my 50-year-old mother who hobbled around on a broken foot canvassing for Obama on the day of the Pennsylvania primary, or my 78-year-old grandmother who marched with MLK 45 years ago and would be just as proud to see an African American president in her lifetime as a woman and thinks Obama is the better candidate and would make the better president.

As a woman and a feminist, it really bothers me when Clinton and her supporters play the gender card and try to make me feel guilty for not supporting her. I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but I feel that her strategic use of feminism has in many ways set the womens' movement back.
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
41. I feel the same and could not have said it better. n/t
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
42. Word. n/t
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:16 PM
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15. Start to waver. You can do it. It's OK...
Feels good. Do the Waver.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:17 PM
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17. She doesn't speak for me. Too bad she didn't fight fair. Or maybe
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:19 PM by CakeGrrl
it's worse that she felt that she COULDN'T fight fair and win.

Barack showed everyone that it just might be possible.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:17 PM
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18. So condescending
To assume that because she's a woman she speaks for all women or that women are going to vote for her simply because she's a woman. There is a lot of implicit sexism in this kind of thing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. It's ridiculous in the extreme.
HEY, HILLARY, you have no clue as to the struggles most women face or you wouldn't attempt to claim us all like cattle.

Stop embarrassing yourself and us. Thanks!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:18 PM
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20. oh lord.. I resent being lumped into Hillary's "group". She doesn't speak for me.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. you and me both
she doesn't speak for me

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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:18 PM
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21. "We are the women of this nation" no you're not....


You are the few women left who still support hillary... and your primary reason is her gender. Most women in this country do not support Hillary. She's not even getting the support of all the women in the party. Although women who think Obama is Muslim seem to support Hillary.


Why should anybody care about your sexist agenda?


If someone posted that Obama should win because he's a male... and when men vote democrats win, it would be locked.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:23 PM
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34. "We are the women of this nation that believe Obama is a Muslim
and belongs to a Christian cult and is too arrogant for his station in life and who don't see racism in the Clinton campaign even though most of the people we knew are now dead to us including Michigan and Florida for not letting us count their disqualified votes and you BETTER LOOK OUT BECAUSE WE'RE FUNDING McWar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111"

:rofl:
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:21 PM
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26. some people need to speak for themselves
As a Democrat (and a woman) I'm proud of the historic nature of Clinton's campaign. I'm also proud of the historic nature of Obama's.

But "all of us" is awfully presumptuous. Many women of this nation do stand in "unwavering support of Hillary Clinton" -- (maybe even most, although when you count republicans and apathetic non-voters, I doubt it). They are welcome to do so. But it certainly isn't "all."

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:22 PM
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27. Yay Genitals for President! YAY n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:22 PM
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28. My choice is my own. That is my right as a woman. And I choose Obama. n/t
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:22 PM
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30. Every time I see that picture, I think of Stevie Nicks....
...very strange.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:32 PM
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45. Well, she was crushed by a landslide.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:46 PM
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86. . . .
:rofl:

Took my love, took it down. . .
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:31 PM
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153. Are you talking about that landslide in WV?
The one where Obami got crushed?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:23 PM
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31. She doesn't speak for this woman...
and I am tired of this woman shit. So basically we are suppose to vote for her because she is a woman and I say Bull! this is what has turned me off among other reasons.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:23 PM
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32. Not so fast - not this old white woman n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:24 PM
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35. This makes me want to sing "Living After Midnight"
Hmmm, Hillary Halford has a nice ring to it.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #35
117. Hell Bent for Hillary!!
Or is it Hill Bent for Leather??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zInasdz2mg
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:09 PM
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120. LOL
Cool song. Cool band. :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:46 PM
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138. "Ready to take on every deal, loaded, loaded..."


Living after midnight, rockin to the dawn
Lovin' 'til the morning, then I'm gone, I'm gone

I took the city bout one a.m, loaded, loaded
I'm all geared up to score again, loaded, loaded
I come alive in the neon light
Thats when I make my moves right

Living after midnight, rockin to the dawn
Lovin' 'til the morning, then I'm gone, I'm gone

Got gleaming chrome, reflecting steel, loaded, loaded
Ready to take on every deal, loaded, loaded
My pulse is racing, I'm hot to take
This motors revved up, fit to break

Living after midnight, rockin to the dawn
Lovin' 'til the morning, then I'm gone, I'm gone

I'm aiming for ya
I'm gonna floor ya
My bodys coming
All night long

The airs electric, sparkin power, loaded, loaded
I'm getting hotter by the hour, loaded, loaded
I set my sights and then home in
The joint starts flying when I begin

Living after midnight, rockin to the dawn
Lovin' 'til the morning, then I'm gone, I'm gone


:headbang:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. OMG..you are the best of the best!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:55 PM
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142. Breakin' the law! Breakin' the law!
:headbang:

Thanks for the idea! :D

Last time I saw JP was in 1985 (I think), front row! I'm in at least one of their videos. :D :headbang:


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #142
146. Saw then a few times way back when.
Great shows. Them and Maiden were the definition of heavy metal.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:27 PM
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40. "Shame on you, Barack Obama!"
:eyes:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. "Shame on you, NARAL!"
:rofl:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:31 PM
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44. She doesn't speak for me either. Pretentious are we?
There has been nothing fast about this campaign. I has been a long, hard fought battle for Senator Obama against a woman who thought that she deserved the nomination, that it was preordained and was going to be a cakewalk for her. Surprise, surprise!
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:37 PM
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62. WomenCount PAC is not trying to speak for you. They speak for themselves. Pretentious, you?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:41 PM
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69. "We are the women of this nation." "She speaks for all of us." That would be
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:42 PM by Occam Bandage
We are the women of this nation. Not, "We are some women," or "We are women." They said, "We are the women," meaning they were speaking for all women.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:44 PM
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79. LOL!!!! Did you even read it?

"We are the women of this nation. We are rich and poor, young and old, married with children, married without children, single moms, gay, straight, and widowed. We are every color. We are of every religion. We are from all political parties."



No, you are some of the women of this nation, the remaining women that still support Hillary Clinton.

Why does that make them more important than all the women who don't support Hillary?


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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #79
88. And?
If you read the bottom, I recreated the ad. I typed every single word.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #88
100. Wow...
Just wow...
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #62
94. Illiterate you? Why did you even post this. I'm curious.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:58 PM
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111. Everyone who runs thinks they deserve the nomination
and everyone who runs (presumably) thinks that they can speak for those that they represent.

I think it's a great ad.

I've come to like Hillary a lot more as this campaign has gone on than I did before it started. I went to hear her speak, and I really liked what I heard. No, it wasn't in a big rockstar arena with padded seats, like the one Obama went to the next day. It was a warehouse down by the waterfront with no heat and no seats. But 5000 stood there for three hours and waited (it was a late-scheduled stop; she couldn't help being late) and it was worth it.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:32 PM
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47. HILLARY DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THIS FEMALE
and I am SO SICK of the females who claim that, as a female, I must support Hillary.

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:33 PM
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48. How the hell is she in the same league as Susan B. Anthony?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:33 PM
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49. You guys are way way too fast --- Huckabee
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:35 PM
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53. I'm a woman, and Hillary doesn't speak for me. nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:35 PM
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55. She will go down in history as the first woman to run for president
I hold no ill thoughts for her. She did it the way she thought she needed to do it, and it's been a wonderfully historic run.

I don't think it matters much now if she stays or if she goes... the focus seems to have finally shifted to the REAL ENEMY: John "Psycho Geezer" McCain... do you like my new name for him?
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. John "Psycho Geezer" McCain
is a great name for him.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:40 PM
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67. Thanks!
I just hit on that on another thread... calimary inspired me :)

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:36 PM
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58. How presumptuous. They don't speak for all women, and not all women support Hillary.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:40 PM
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65. WomenCount PAC speaks for the woman belonging to that organization. Not hardly 'all women'
Eegocentricity appears to rule Obama's followers trying to trash this thread.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:41 PM
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71. The ad says "the women of this nation"
and that "she speaks for all of us". To me, that implies that she speaks for all women. If it said "a group of women in this nation", that would imply that she was speaking for all of the women in that group. But "the women of this nation" seems to imply that she is speaking for all American women.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:41 PM
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72. "We are the women of this nation." That would be attempting to speak for all women, yes.
Not "We are women," but "we are the women of this nation." That means that they claim to speak for all women. Learn English.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:54 PM
Original message
'We are the world' 'We are the children' perhaps you miss the meaning of messages such as these?
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come
When we stand together as one


We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:25 PM
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149. We're sending our love down the well
Sting: There's a hole in my heart
As deep as a well
For that poor little boy
Who's stuck halfway to hell...
Sideshow Mel: ...Though we can't get him out
We'll do the next best thing...
McBain: ...we'll go on tv and sing, sing, sing...
Choir: And we're sending out love down the well!
Krusty: All the way down!
Choir: We're sending our love down the well!
Krusty: Down that well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfdXbTRVRzc
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:39 PM
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64. as a candidate ad and not an issue ad this is a clear violation of campaign finance law
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #64
81. I believe you've confused PACs such as MoveOn, NARAL, and this organization with 527s...
which have to comply with tax-exempt rules.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #81
125. FEC v Wisconsin Right to Life -- No candidate ads 30 days before a primary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform ...


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.
Buddhist Democrat



PACs are not tax exempt

This ad is a clear violation of law that, ironically, was decided by a decision against a Right to Life group.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #125
128. I said 527s were tax exempt. Sheesh.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #128
137. There are 3 clear violations of campaign law
tax status is completely irrelevent

1) There is to be no connection between the 527 and a Candidates Organization. The ad specifically encourages people to contribute to Clinton's campaign

2) It is not an issue ad but an specifically connected to a candidacy.

3) There are no ads permitted 30 days before a primary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform ...


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.
Buddhist Democrat
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:40 PM
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66. Not so fast yerself.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:43 PM by Erin Elizabeth
She does not speak for THIS woman, period.

I don't need her to speak for me.

I've got my own damn voice.

She doesn't speak for my daughter, either. She doesn't speak for my sisters or my mother. I never asked her to, I don't need her to, and quite frankly, having heard what she has to say? I don't want her speaking for me.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:40 PM
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68. She doesn't speak for my mother or sister.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:41 PM
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70. moot
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:42 PM
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73. She doesn't speak for me, but she does speak *to* me
In the subtext of all her words is the following:

"Hello! I'm a narcissistic sociopath who will stop at nothing to be President, and when all legitimate tactics fail, I will use my vagina as a soapbox! Thank you!"
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #73
84. "Vagina" and "soapbox" should never be in the same sentence.
:rofl:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #84
104. I always say when it comes to metaphor, go for the unexpected... lol
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #73
87. "I will use my vagina as a soapbox!" Now there's a visual for ya...

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww!
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #87
105. Watch your shoes.
lol... Okay, I apologize for that.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #73
97. Tisk, tisk.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM by Maribelle
Does your mother know you are using her computer?
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #97
102. Projection doesn't help you. I didn't create that abortion of an OP. You did.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:45 PM
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82. I have to say, that's a pretty inspiring picture of Hillary.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #82
91. Yes it is. But the ad in USA Today was black and white.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #91
103. No it isn't. It's stupid.
It makes her look like an airhead rock star. God, Senator Clinton herself would probably be appalled by it.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #82
99. Yeah it inspired me to ask......


how bad would the electrical shock from that mic have to be, in order to get her to stop talking.

How much voltage would she take before she'd let go of the mic and stop talking.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #82
106. As usual, it depicts her in a situation that is fictional. lol
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #106
110. Wrong. It is an original AP photo at an actual event.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. Is she not smart enough to come in from the rain?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #110
116. You've already posted that this isn't the orginal.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #116
127. The photo is an original AP.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #127
134. Do you have a link?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #134
147. Here is one...
http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/shenews/archives/20...



There is another here one from Charles Dharapak taken that same night in McKeesport Pennsylvania:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/20/v... /


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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:46 PM
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85. she is NOT my voice
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:47 PM by LSK
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:57 PM
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109. She speaks for me and the millions of other women
who support her candidacy.

As for the minority who support Obama, so what? You've spoken your piece, we don't care what you think.

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #109
119. Hillary will endorse Obama. It is good to know she speaks for you and you will vote for Obama too.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 05:08 PM by SoonerPride
Thank you for your support!
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #109
156. ditto! She speaks for me and millions of others!
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:02 PM
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115. In a hail of sniper fire no less
What a bizarre picture.

Is that a bomber jacket? it looks vaguely militaristic. I suppose that's to get the "commander in chief" point across. And the salute? O shades of third Reich. Say it ain't so -- Heil Hillary?

Maybe she's trying for American Idol, or is making her next appearance in a Russian disco?

I mean, it's hard enough to take American Enter-politics seriously, but this is really pushing the envelope.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:06 PM
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118. he campaign is over a year old. There is nothing fast about it/. It's over. She lost.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 05:07 PM by SoonerPride
And she knows it.

She's letting the clock run out and then she'll quit and endorse Obama.

The end.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:17 PM
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123. She doesn't speak for this woman!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:35 PM
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130. She only speaks for women? Well then, I guess she isn't fit to be President for everyone. n/t
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:38 PM
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132. "We are the women of this nation."
Every woman in this nation that I know absolutely detests Hillary.

Sooooo...maybe notsomuch.
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:39 PM
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133. To the convention!
Go, Hillary, go.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:43 PM
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136. maybe a photoshop facelift?
and some Mick Jagger lips?

They made her look about 40. :shrug:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:47 PM
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139. Thank you!!!
Great call to action!!!!

Go Hillary!!!!!

:bounce:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:57 PM
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143. I wish HRC and Bubba the best of luck WHEN they return to NY State to fade into
political obscurity. ;)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:00 PM
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145. God BLESS Hillary Clinton!
Too bad our Party isn't progressive enough yet to support a female candidate for President.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:29 PM
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151. yes, very disturbing.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:34 PM
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157. Yes, she'd easily be the best candidate!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:54 PM
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161. How funny you don't realize what a sexist thing that is to say.
What you're really saying;
"The party should support her because she's a female candidate for President."

It's kinda' sad that you don't even hear yourself.


Meanwhile, I'm quite certain that the party;

a) Would support the strongest candidate whether they are female or not.
b) Would have supported Clinton if Obama hadn't run.


Now, since you can't see it, let me explain to you why your statement is entirely sexist;

If I said; "It's too bad you're not progressive enough to support a black candidate for President.", would that be fair of me to say?

Try real hard to actually answer that. I know you won't though.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:52 PM
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164. Yeah, you keep telling yourself it's ALL because she's a woman.
It's a convenient excuse for so many to sweep over the fact that she's been a lousy candidate and has run a nasty campaign. Oh, and she voted for the war and aligned herself with McCain.

Signed, A Woman
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:40 PM
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159. WomenCount had better count on a visit from the TaxMen
who also count. :rofl:
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DCofVA Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:42 PM
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160. If it makes Hillary and her supporters feel better that she didn't get the nomination
because she's a woman, then you all can go on thinking that.
Also, Id like to take this opportunity to thank Hillary for speaking up for Obama yesterday. If only she had behaved like that through her whole campaign then, maybe she would have gotten this women's vote in the primary.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:50 PM
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163. I appreciate your reposting of this advertisement.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 11:51 PM by nvme
It shows dedication of the PAC women count. Its a positive ad. I wish there had been more of these during the course of the primary. We may have accomplished more for the democratic party had the primary followed this positive note. I hope that once all is said and done they will show the same emphatic support of the democratic nominee.
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