LGBT DU'ers

[La Lioness Priyanka]

how many of you who are in a position to be married, will NOT vote for kerry because of his decision to not support gay marriage.

And by this i mean LGBT du'ers who really have significant others that they would have otherwise married by now.

[Liberal Veteran]

1. I will still vote for Kerry. I can live with civil unions for now.

Which is better than the ovens that the Bushies would like to put me in.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. right there with ya.

[Doug Decker]

3. Still with Kerry, better than * anyday n/t

[Bluebear]

7. Seeing that the Bushy/fundies would as soon round us up in camps

Not even close.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. yes....just remember how they just let us die during regan era

makes me think i would rather live and be part of a civil union

[nostamj]

16. ok, I'll buy that

anyone who would vote AGAINST Kerry because of the gay marriage issue is TOO STUPID TO VOTE. period.

that said, I've NEVER heard of a GLBT person who has that stance.

[nostamj]

4. ME ME ME

my BEST chance for equality lies in guaranteeing his royal highness, the most holy of holymen, GEORGE W. BUSH is selected for LIFE!!!

/sarcasm

sorry, but that's a really dumb question. only VERY VERY RICH GLBTs would consider voting that POS

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. i completely agree with you on the rich gays voting for bush

but i dont think the question itself is dumb. the stance is.

[complain jane]

6. LOL

Yeah I have to agree. Me too.

[Liberal Veteran]

9. Does 14.5 years count as a long term relationship?

:)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. yes ofcourse it does

i will never make it that far with anyone. so you still staying with kerry right? cos i sure am :)

[Liberal Veteran]

14. Yeah. I understand political realities enough to know that Kerry can't...

...give us everything we want.

I've waited a long time and I can wait a while longer.

Look how long it took African-Americans to acheive a modicum of equality.

I hope it doesn't take that long, but it will take time.

[arwalden]

11. I'm Not That Selfish

Any pet issues I have that Kerry and I wouldn't see eye-to-eye on could never trump bigger issues that face our whole country if the criminal Bush* is permitted to stay in office.

People who vote that way are myopic and selfish.

-- Allen

Excellent question.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. why thank-you arwalden.

and again i completely agree with you.

i though part of being liberal was to empathetic to other people. granted i may not be able to get married, but what about those children with health insurance. And the troops dying in iraq. etc.

[Malikshah]

12. Not letting perfect get in the way of good for now

Have a mortgage with my partner, been together 5 years--we're blessed and happy.

We're in Florida of all places--although Ft Laud is one of the best places to be if GLBT

Won't be using the Gay Marriage as a litmus test for Kerry.

Once he's in office, though...will hammer away.

Pandora's Box (sounds like a bad Lesbian Film, I know) has been opened and we're not about to let it shut (and this coming from a gay man. ;))

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. hey is that your name?

and if so are you/your parent from gujarat?

[Malikshah]

35. Sorry, but nope--it's a name

I use -- from a historical figure from the 11th century.

Sorry for any confusion, though. :)

[Behind the Aegis]

17. I will still vote for Kerry!

Considering the alternative...there really is no choice, as far as I am concerned. That being said, I still see Kerry as a good candidate and do not feel as I am having to chose a candidate that is ABB. Once he is in office, then I will hold his feet to the fire about ALL citizens gaining the rights of "marriage." :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. i can respect that

:)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. i can respect that

:)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

20. I know a guy on the internet

who is gay and is a die-hard bush supporter.

What is that about? If anyone wants to "meet" him (he posts on debate boards on another site) just let me know.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. is he wealthy?

[benburch]

21. Well, this doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother many.

I don't expect 100% policy agreement with ANY politician.

And I know that Bush would make just being gay a crime if he gets the opportunity.

Disclosure; I am actively bisexual and married to a bisexual woman. We both believe in permitting any couple to marry who want to marry, and I have officiated at the marriage of gay men. (Not legal of course, but that doesn't matter to the gods.)

[JI7]

23. one thing to remember

i'm not lgbt but i just want to say that one thing to remember is that Kerry will preach acceptance not just tolerance and if he gets a chance to be president there will be more support for gay rights(including marriage) by the end of his term.

bill clinton signed the doma but he still helped bring more acceptance to gays with his time in office. signing the doma was a political act rather than what he really supproted. even paul wellstone admitted he voted for it for political reasons. but once in power they preached tolerance and more importantly acceptance.

with bush the best one can get is that he wont mention the issue at all because anytime he does mention it, it will be to support some anti gay law.

and kerry doesn't really oppose same sex marriage anyways. he has attended many same sex marriages and has said he supports it before. it's a political move which is ok if once in power he does things to advance the rights of glbt. and his record shows that he will.

this issue is important to me because i support rights for all people. it's one reason i support kerry. i think he has a good understanding of how to get things done. not just say he is for or against things. but to actually make progress.

[bigwillq]

24. Of course I'm voting for Kerry

I guess I'm in a position to be married. Me and my b/f have a condo together, we share some finances and I do have a gold band on my finger.

However, I probably still wouldn't get married even if it were legal.

I'm kind of against marriage.


I don't think people need to be married just to say that they're committed to each other. I guess if it does become legal and we do get the same benefits as married hetero couples then maybe I would take the plunge!


I do, however, feel it should be legal. I think this is the most discriminating issue of the current generation but I don't think it should be the focal issue of this campaign at this time.

[IndianaGreen]

25. That's not the issue!

Everybody knows that Bush has got to go. The real issue is that Kerry/Edwards are pandering to the homophobes and the bigots. They are better off not saying anything at all than to enable the bigots with their ignorant statements about same sex marriage.

The civilized world already thinks Americans are backwards and ignorant without adding more to their perception by supporting constitutional amendments to establish apartheid for GLBTs.

[JI7]

28. they were ASKED about it

if they could get by without talking about it they would. it's only when asked about it that they mostly say these things.

and in america you have to pander to bigots to win. people in other parts of the world think america is backwards because IT IS in many ways compared to other developed civilized nations.

[IndianaGreen]

31. They could have said they believed in equal rights for all

Are those morons going to vote for Bush solely on account of their fear of homosexuality? If they are then they are no better than those that will vote for Bush because Kerry voted for IWR!

Kerry/Edwards won't make it to a chapter in Profiles in Courage!

[JI7]

36. it's not just about same sex marriage

it's about the perception of the candidate. there is a lot of prejudice out there . they don't just look at someone as supporting same sex marriage in itself. by knowing someone supports that they assume other things about them. such as weak on defense, anti god etc. and if we want to win we need votes of these people.

profiles of courage ? they aren't looking to get some award. they are looking to win so they can make a difference. kerry will preach acceptance of gays. he will appoint gays to positions in government.

[Tarheelhombre]

I will proudly vote for Kerry

There is no doubt he is better than Bush on GLBT issues. Stop being so rash.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. umm i am not being rash

i am merely asking a question.

[Tarheelhombre]

26. I will proudly vote for Kerry

There is no doubt he is better than Bush on GLBT issues. Stop being so rash.

[Padraig18]

27. I won't be foolish enough to throw the baby out with the bath

I would LOVE to be able to marry Tony, but it's not a 'make or break' issue with me.

Kerry-Edwards in '04!

:thumbsup:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. i hope you and tony get married too...

that would be such a eye-candy heavy marriage. but i too agree that this is not a make or break issue at all.

[tedoll78]

32. I've been waiting for years.

And I'll gladly vote for Kerry.

Look, no offense, but I harbor no fantasies of gay policy idealism (as some around here seem to do). It's a hot issue with potential to sear our candidate badly; I can't blame him for trying to have it both ways.

I also smartly recognize that Kerry would be selecting US Supreme Court justices. And given that a Constitutional amendment is unlikely, I predict that there'll be a challenge to a state's DOMA - and that it will eventually end-up before the US Supreme Court. That's where my being politically pragmatic/realistic will pay-off: those Supreme Court justices will most likely come-through for me. I think it's the smartest way to play the political hand we (gays) have been dealt.

Let's hope that the election isn't swung because the obstinance of some.. those refusing to look realistically at the long term landscape on this issue.

[Onlooker]

33. I am married

I got married on May 17; my partner and I were fifth in Mass. to get married. I will definitely vote for Kerry because (1) I think Kerry is more sympathetic to gay rights than most other leaders, including Ralph Nader (who has done almost nothing with regard to civil rights); (2) Kerry will appoint fairer Supreme Court justices than a religious nutcase like Bush; (3) Kerry is vastly better than Bush on other issues I think are important (education, peace, Iraq, the environment, taxation policy, and so on); and (4) the fact is the gay movement was pushing for civil unions, not gay marriage, when the Massachusetts Supreme Court made it's great ruling. We need the cover of a moderate to engage in the process of educating the public at large that gay marriage is no threat.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. FYI

i am fully in support of Kerry

[lcooksey]

37. Disappointed, but still voting Kerry/Edwards

As long as we don't let the US Constitution be amended to prohibit same-sex marriage, we'll win this fight. I feel confident that state laws, and amendments to state constitutions, will eventually be found unconstitutional under the US Constitution.

I'm disappointed that Kerry and Edwards are personally opposed to same-sex marriage, but they are firmly behind civil unions. And right now that's good enough for me.

BTW, my partner and I got married in Toronto last year, and have been together 15 years.

Married in the eyes of God and Canada! :)

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

38. undecided.

Ive been a relationship since 1988, and my SO has AIDS, too...

Given what ive read from the moveon article on the other thread I am undecided now, tho I did write a big check to his campaing back before the 30th.


Not sure who else to vote for. I probably will vote for Kerry anyway as there are no appealing third party candidates to vote for.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

39. on edit.

..what really disgusts me about Kerry/Edwards is their weasel wording around this, trying to have their cake and eat it....trying to talk around it.

I would respect them alot more, and have less of a problem voting for them, if they unequivacly said they supported these state amendements, rather than try to talk around the issue.

[OneBlueSky]

40. John John get a pass on this one from me . . .

yes, their position is untenable . . . but without it they won't be elected, which means four more years of BushCo, with all of its implications for the Supreme Court . . .

I'm 58 years old, and quite frankly the acceptance level that gays enjoy today is something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime . . . sure, there are still ignorant bigots, but there will always be ignorant bigots . . . our real problem today is that they govern the country, and changing this must be our one and only goal . . .

if we have to wait another decade or two for gay marriage to be accepted, that's a tradeoff I'm willing to accept . . . the progress made by gays and lesbians in the past 20 to 30 years is remarkable, and I have to believe that this progress will continue until, eventually, we will have full equality . . . I accept that there will be ups and downs along the way, and the Kerry/Edwards position on gay marriage (though necessary) is one of those downs . . .

as Lee Hays of the Weavers once said of the Reagan administration: "Much like a kidney stone, this too shall pass" . . .

[Lerkfish]

41. not sure if you wanted hetero input, but...

(If you didn't, I apologize)

but I am completely FOR gay marriage, I have worked with quite a few gay people and have gotten to know their significant others, and for my money, anything that increases love and caring in this world is a GOOD thing. Anything that attempts to prevent loving relationships based on bigotry is a BAD thing. In fact, one of the reasons I was so gung-ho for Clinton was that he campaigned on removing barriers for gays to join the military (and I was deeply disappointed by the "don't ask, don't tell" noncompromise)

I'd prefer that Kerry thought exactly as I do on this issue, but IMHO the gay community has a better opportunity to work towards gay marriage being commonplace with Kerry. With Bush, there is ZERO chance.

I'll take a 40% chance over zero anytime.