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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:41 PM
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Why I think Janet Napolitano is the right running mate for Obama
Janet Napolitano is governor of Arizona. And I think she should be his pick for running mate, because she would make an outstanding VP and later an outstanding president.



First, a quick run through her background and resume.

Janet was born in New York and as you might guess, has an Italian American heritage. Her Dad was dean of the New Mexico school of Medicine, and she was voted 'most likely to succeed' in Sandia High School. Then she went to California for college, following it up with a JD in Virginia.

Next she went to Arizona, and took a job as an attorney. Clarence Thomas dislikes her, because while there she represented Anita Hill, who had accused Thomas of sexual harassment. In 1993, Bill Clinton made her a US attorney for Arizona. In that job she helped investigate Michael Fortier in connection with the Oklahoma City bombing.

In 1998 she ran for and won the position of Attorney General of Arizona. She fought to improve protection for consumers and the standards for law enforcement. I guess she did a pretty good job, because in 2002 she ran for Governor of AZ, and won a narrow victory with 46% of the vote.

Coming into office, she found Arizona had a $1 billion budget deficit. In her first year, she turned this into a $1 billion surplus...without raising taxes. In fact, Arizona is not a tax friendly state, seeing as how it has two conservative GOP senators and a pretty conservative GOP legislature. And the legislature has voted to lower both income and property taxes in recent years.

Napolitano signed these bills, but has still turned in a balanced budget every year she has been governor, while increasing spending by an average of 6%. Pretty impressive, no? But she doesn't always just roll with her states' conservative legislature: she has vetoed bills about 130 times. Her spending priorities have been education above all else, and then healthcare, daycare and job creation.

She's also a strong advocate of both domestic and border security. She set up the nation's first state counterterrorism center, and indeed it's become a leading institution in the study of terrorism prevention. She also fought for and won permission to post Arizona's national guard along the border, where illegal crossings and human and drug smuggling are big issues. Hmm, is she a nativist? No, she strongly believes in fair immigration reform, and recognizes that most border crossers are seeking economic opportunity, not criminal status. She has signed legislation that penalizes employers who knowingly hire illegals, but opposed legislation that cuts illegal immigrants off from all benefits (eg school).

In 2004 she was widely rumored as a possible running mate for John Kerry, though eventually he picked John Edwards. Nothing daunted, in 2006 she ran for governor again and was re-elected by a landslide 2:1 margin. Time magazine has put in the top 5 governors of the USA. She's been chair of both the Western and National governor's Associations, and is currently a member of the National Governors Association executive comittee. She terms out in 2010 and has expressed interest in running for McCain's senate seat.

Pretty impressive. But why would she make a good running mate?

Many people argue Obama is weak on national security etc. I feel the opposite: he is at his strongest on international affairs, and is no shrinking violet when it comes to the use o the US military. I believe that Obama will appoint experienced people to head the departments of State and Defense, to whom he will delegate rather than defer.

To pick a defense-oriented VP would actually put his proposed administration 'on the defensive', allowing those on the right who define him as weak on such matters to say he had had to surround himself with people who knew better than he did - I call it the Cheney effect, which has worked out so disastrously for Bush and America.

Obama has the intellect, wisdom, experience and standing to become a world president. He's made it clear that diplomacy, national security, improvement of the relations between nations and equitable trade policies are big issues that he cares strongly about. He wants to end the Iraq war, but revitalize the war against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan - a war that Bush and Rumsfeld assumed they had won and disgracefully put on the back burner. Anyone who was affected by 9/11 (ie most of us) must wonder why Osama bin aden has since enjoyed a life of peace, or if he's dead why he was able to pass away as a free man rather than in an American prison.

Obama also has a strong vision for domestic policy, built around creating a more egalitarian society where education opens the door to real economic opportunity, work is rewarded with dignity and a meaningful wage, and proper healthcare is a key component of economic security.I personally believe that he is in favor of a single-payer healthcare system, but knows that this will be a big challenge to implement. His strategy appears to be to out-compete the insurance companies by offering a better alternative.

To succeed with his policies, he needs a VP that is experienced and has a track record of success with wielding executive power at home. When he is focused on matters overseas, he also needs someone who will have great standing on domestic issues and will be able to refute criticism that his administration is too outward looking. He needs someone who shares his vision of making education more affordable and more accessible in order to build a competitive workforce. And lastly, he needs someone who is easy for Americans to like and who they'll feel confidence in, who will never reply to the voter's concerns with 'So what?'.

Napolitano meets and beats these criteria

First, there's no question that she's been an outstanding success as governor. She's proved she can run a state for the interests of its people, and still keep the budget in line. And she's proved that she's got no problem at all taking the fight to the Republicans - while still addressing the issues that are important to them. As a result, she's garnered huge amounts of respect from both parties, and this respect has been reflected in the voting booth.

Second, she's a great communicator. Whether on the stump, in a campaign commercial, on CNN or testifying before Congress, she has an easy manner that connects strongly with people without diluting her message.

Third, it doesn't hurt that she's female. She would be a great option regardless of gender, thanks to her existing success. But she exemplifies the idea of 'sisters are doing it for themselves'. She has the confidence of someone who has succeeded on their own terms. She's never been married or had children: she says she's just a straight workaholic, although she has faced (and laughed at) whisper campaigns suggesting she was gay in the last election. Like Obama, she believes marriage is a male-female institution, but has opposed ballot proposals to ban Gay marriage with a constitutional amendment in AZ (it lost).

Fourth, she's pretty much the opposite of elite. While she wears suits, she's frequently photographed with her sleeves rolled up. She's not likely to appear on the cover of Vogue any time soon. She's just a hardworking governor from a state that has no elected three female governors - and she's the first to get re-elected.

Take a look at her campaign commercial and you can see why she's been elected - and why nobody with a clue is going to try painting her as elitist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yipI0mcWU8&feature=related

For contrast, check out the GOP ads attacking her in the last election campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVQ_z9aKu18 ...and yet they lost 2:1. She can take the heat alright.


BOOM go the 2nd amendment 'Obama doesn't get it' tactics for the GOP. Janet obviously knows how to have fun with a gun.

Finally, she puts Arizona in play. McCain leads Obama there by single digits, with 15% undecided, according to one recent poll. But Napolitano has outpolled McCain several times in the last year in hypothetical comeptition for his senate seat. she is Arizona's best-liked elected official, with 59% approving her performance in the job and a whopping 9% disapproval rating. If Arizonans are given a choice between two of their own for a place in the White House, I believe they'll back Napolitano.

She is presidential material just on the basis of her achievements alone: I am a little surprised she did not put up a candidacy this year. But if she becomes vice President, then she'll get 4 or maybe 8 years to develop her already-strong policy skills on the national stage, while acquiring crucial experience on the international front as well, next to a president who I believe has it in him to be one of America's most successful and respected for many years.


So that's my case for Governor Napolitano as Obama's running mate and our country's next Vice President. An outstanding track record, rock-solid political skills, and a warm personality that all Americans can easily connect with. As well as rounding out Obama's ticket in many ways, she's also someone I would trust to do a good job running the country if Obama fell ill or after he is termed out.

Barack and Janet in 2008! Please kick and rec if you like the idea, and if not please dispute with arguments about why your choice would be better than her. If you want to reply just to take a dump on Barack Obama, go ahead since you'll be kicking it anyway.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:48 PM
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1. Self-kick, because this lady rocks and you should know all about her!
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:48 PM
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2. I like her a lot, and choosing her means we don't have to lose a sitting
Edited on Thu May-15-08 03:52 PM by DAGDA56
Senator...no need to give Holy Joe any more leverage than he already has. I would especially like it if she managed to put Arizona in play!
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:58 PM
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3. Good point!
And I think she'll be an especially effective spokesperson for Obama to attack McCain. I don't know who McCain's VP will be, but I'm guessing Mittens. Napolitano will clean his clock without difficulty, both on results and personality. She's a walking talking example of what good government is about and why you can do a great job without having to come from big business.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:05 PM
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4. You're right...she has more info on McCain at her fingertips than a whole team of
opposition researchers could come up with between now and Novemember.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:07 PM
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5. she's a great woman, but how about the woman with 17 million supporters built in?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:03 PM
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14. Here's a few reasons why i don't think hillary is the right VP pick
1. The GOP will be able to deploy their oppo campaign about her and rehash all the differences between them from the primaries. Fair or not, it's a fact that that GOP voters loathe her more than they love McCain.

2. Such a running mate would seem like a forced choice for Obama, drawing criticism that he's not his own man, but is the victim of circumstances. He needs to make an active choice, not select a running mate by default.

3. Even if Obama/Clinton won, the day after the inauguration we'd start seeing stories with titles like 'Tension in the West Wing' and worthwhile policy initiatives would be continually overshadowed by stories about a clash of egos and Democratic infighting, even if none were actually taking place. It's such an obvious narrative that a lot of people will choose to believe it because it fits the preconceptions they have. This would be a drag on both of them and weaken us for 2012.

I'm not trying to be anti-Hillary here. I just don't see that it's good political calculus.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:09 PM
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6. I had thought the same thing as well, however
as an Arizonan, I think that some of the anti-illegal immigrant bills she has had to sign out of political expediency would be a problem. The Employer sactions law is the most recent example of this.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:07 PM
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17. Illegal immigration is a big litmust test for me
I, personally, am in support of fixing the situation and providing some kind of amnesty (with a requirement to have a clean criminal record and pay a manageable fine). Basically I support free trade as long as its fair, and I believe free trade should also apply to selling your labor. I know that I hold a minority opinion on this.

You make an excellent point, but I believe that Gov Napolitano has overall successfully advocated on behalf of illegal immigrants while also heeding the legitimate concerns of those who worry about border security and economics. She's been strongly in favor of issuing driving licenses and extending services like schooling, and rightly argues that this is ultimately a federal issue that should be solved with comprehensive legislation.

Her willingness to meet the GOP half-way on this means it's hard for the GOP to attack an Obama-Napolitano ticket as being afraid of tough decisions, but at the same time their position doesn't alienate Latinos.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:34 PM
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48. Yes. I don't think Obama wants the immigration controversy
front and center right now.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:44 PM
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50. She knows both sides. And it is going to be an issue in the GE
McCain has to bring it up to sell himself to Latino voters, and Kennedy is one of Obama's big backers. So having a governor of a border state who shares his desire for federal reform but actively worked to secure the border immunizes Obama from attacks by nativists. She's straddled both sides of that issue pretty successfully.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:26 PM
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60. You have some good points.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:09 PM
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7. Now IMO, Governor Napolitano is an INSPIRATIONAL LEADER who happens to be a woman.
That's the WOMAN we need as our VP. :-)
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:11 PM
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8. Like many of the other names mentioned....
...she would be a fine choice. We have an embarrassment of wealth to choose from.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:18 PM
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11. Ain't that the truth! nt
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:11 PM
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9. An unknown is not going to be abe to carry her own weight, let alone help Obama. n/t
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:18 PM
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10. Is she really that unknown? She's Governor of a State that borders yours.
I suspect she may have some face time at the Democratic Convention.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:58 PM
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13. We're talking a presidential election here. The last thing we need is....
voters going, "Who?" And a GE is no time to educate voters.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:09 PM
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19. I don't think she's unknown at all. In fact, she has a fairly high profile.
And we've got all summer to introduce her to the nation at large. I think she would be an enormous plus for swing voters who find McCain likeable.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:15 PM
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24. It makes no sense to run someone we have to introduce when there are already....
...so many politicians who are qualified who we won't have to introduce.

The VP is supposed to HELP Obama, not cripple him.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:51 PM
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28. You keep saying she's unknown, but she's not.
I've known who she was since a few years ago, and I also know a good # of Republicans (not from Arizona) who think highly of her. Just because she's new to you doesn't mean she's not well known. And while she's not as well-known as, say, Edwards, it won't take voters long to decide whether they like her or not.

'Hi! I'm Janet Napolitano, governor of Arizona and now Barack Obama's running mate. While governor, I took a billion dollar budget deficit and turned into a billion dollar surplus, without raising taxes. In fact, I signed legislation that cut income and property taxes, while delivering a balanced budget for 8 years in a row and creating 350,000 new jobs in my state...'

How is this going to cripple him? You should back up your argument with something more than empty assertions.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:13 PM
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42. I asked all five people in my small company subdivision and no one....
knows who she is. These are people who all have at least 4-year degrees and who follow politics I would guess at least as well as the average American, if not more.

I have vaguely heard about her myself, but my focus lately has been on policy setting and not politics.

What evidence do you have that she is well known? I would guess most Americans aren't even sure who is the governor of their own state.

Again, the GE is no time to explain to people who your VP is, especially since, by the time Hillar is dragged kicking and screaming from the stage, we will probably have about 2 weeks before the November election.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:19 PM
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44. Ah, we have all summer to introduce a VP.
I really think you are overestimating the importance of this. Al Gore wasn't exactly famous either in 1992. I don't even remember who Carter's VP was offhand. Bush Sr. wasn't well known in 1980 even though he'd been heard of the CIA.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:11 PM
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57. This election is far different than the 2000 election. Times have changed...
voters have changed and, if possible, have shorter attention spans than they did in 2000. This is because of the crisis our country is in, the state of the economy, and worries about Iraq--just don't have the cranial hard-drive room for too much more.

The media has turned in to sound-byte monkeys. The people who do well in GEs now have easiy understood messages and concepts.

I think, as close as the GE is supposed to be, that we cannot risk it or take the energy to surmount a VP who is, as far as I am concerned, an unknown.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:11 PM
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63. Voters have changed so much that they've propelled Obama to the nomination (for practical purposes)
I'm quite confident of their ability to assimilate one of the nation's most successful governors, with a message of balanced budgets, restraint on taxes, new jobs and investment in education. If Obama presents her as running mate, you can bet people are going to sit up and take notice, and they'll like what they see.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:52 AM
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68. Your opinion flies in the face of reality. In a close election, you don't....
want to waste resources introducing the VP running mate, and trying to convince them that this unknown is worthy of being one heartbeat away from the presidency.

It would also be a bad representation of Obama's leadership skills, and his ability to wisely and efficiently use available resources to solve a problem at hand, to pick an unknown as a running mate and then waste resources trying to convince voters that she was a good choice.



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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:04 PM
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15. If the unknown is colorful enough it might work..n/t
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:51 PM
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12. I didn't really know a lot about her...
...but what you've laid out here, I like! She seems like an awesome governor and I'd be happy if Obama chose her. :)
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:05 PM
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16. Worst thing I've heard about selecting Janet
would be that it would put the governor's mansion into the hands of the current Lt. Gov, who is a raging neocon.

I've spent enough time in AZ to consider the state my second home, but I'll admit I don't know all the rules down there. Any of you Arizona DU'ers want to elaborate on this?
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:15 PM
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23. But that's only for two years
She's term limited, so a new governor would have to be elected in 2010 anyways.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:08 PM
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18. Don't know her well, but superficially
I prefer her to Sebelius b/c she at least puts Arizona in play.

Don't know if she's the "attack dog" type that Obama needs as VP.

And I also prefer a military/national security angle for VP. b/c while Obama's policies are solid and his judgment is excellent, the strong perception is there that he's not experienced in that area, and I'd like him to be able to push back these criticisms with more than just a "my judgment is better I was against Iraq" argument. I think he doesn't have as much credibility on these issues as some of you think he does. Polls consistently show that voters think McCain is better suited to handling national security/military/terrorism issues though they don't necessarily agree with his solutions. The reason is that he has a moral authority on these issues that Obama doesn't have. And the VP slot would be the perfect way to shore up this weakness. A VP that has the same kind of moral authority on these issues as McCain, but also agreed with Obama's policies would do that.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:15 PM
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21. I see your point. But I think Napolitano brings huge economic clout to the ticket
And I think it's a mistake to make the Democratic ticket too defense-heavy, because that allows the GOP to frame the issue of what the election is about. We need to be pounding the 'education, jobs and healthcare' drum loudly, and Napolitano's track record there is immaculate.

That lets us hit the GOP hard on the economic issues; Obama will have no shortage of foreign policy stalwarts from Biden to Richardson to to Webb to Hillary herself fighting back against McCain/Bush. McCain will be reduced to invoking future threats (while tripping over his own tongue trying to explain what they are), but the Democrats will be able to say 'Americans' wallets and bank accounts are suffering right now, and you have no plan except cutting taxes and borrowing money from abroad'.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:31 PM
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25. But Obama is already viewed by voters as being stronger on the
economy than McCain. Why would he need to pick a VP for the economy when voters already believe he's stronger in that area w/o the VP?

Picking a guy like Webb as VP wouldn't make national security an issue in this election. It will be an issue and it's on the minds of voters regardless. We must respond to it in a "meaty" way. (Not with only the "judgment" argument b/c experience informs judgment.) What it would do is neutralize that debate. It would neutralize the advantage and moral authority McCain has on that issue.

When McCain says in essence "I'm a war hero, have experience in military affairs and foreign policy. And I know that we must take this particular course of action." we can respond on the very same terms

Webb can say "Hey wait a minute. I'm a war hero too John. I was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan. I have foreign affairs experience and you're wrong!"

Then the debate is no longer about moral authority since each camp has it, but it becomes about policy and which policy is better.

Plus Webb has strong working class economic credentials. And he helps with Obama's "Appalachian problem."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/194870.php
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/12/134251/930/338/514258

"Unlike McCain, Webb is a creature of the white working class. He believes his people - the Scots-Irish of Appalachia - remain misunderstood, under-appreciated and disparaged by America's elites. If Obama is a "wine track" candidate, Jim Webb is definitely "beer track". He's quite happy - proud in fact - of his "redneck" stock."

http://debatableland.typepad.com/the_debatable_land/2008/04/i-mentioned-som.html





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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:59 PM
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29. I think you're opting for the GOP framing here
Webb will rarely argue with McCain directly on national security, because to do so too much will mke it look like Obama's hiding behind him. And the media will play up idea of Webb as Cheney 2.0. Sure, I want him in the cabinet, but I don't want to let the GOP make the election all about McCain being a war hero. That would be picking a veep to suit their framing of the issues, not ours.

Obama's stronger on economics that McCain is, but he's shortest on executive experience because he's a legislator. I think McCain is most likely to team up with Mitt Romney, who has business experience out the yin-yang. Napolitano can clean his clock because she's been a far better governor, and she connects perfectly well with regular white voters.

Plus it lets Obama show he's super-serious on domestic issues, not just a good economic theorist - he's partnering up with someone who's created jobs, built schools, secured borders and balanced budgets. We can frame the entire election as 'ineptitude vs results'.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:09 PM
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40. Let me put it this way.
Edited on Thu May-15-08 06:09 PM by woolldog
If Obama does not pick a milit/foreign policy type VP, then this election will be all about McCain being a war hero.

If Obama does pick a guy like Webb, this election will be about other issues.

It's about neutralizing your opponent's strengths.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:29 PM
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46. Sorry, I don't buy it.
If I was the GOP I'd just raise the question of why Webb wasn't in the top spot and say the CinC can't be just running to the VP every time he has a problem. Also, I'd have Karl Rove spreading rumors that Webb hates women because he wrote sex scenes in spy novels. Hell, if I was Karl Rove I'd argue that Reagan didn't like him that much (and said so in his autobiography) and attack him over his three marriages.

I like Webb, but picking him makes it a 2-senator ticket (always tricky), he won his seat by a very narrow margin, and his vietnamese wife (figurately speaking) works on Wall Street. Given that the GOP is perfectly willing to attack someone like Max Cleland, I don't think they'll hold back on Webb at all. I say your war hero shield idea is totally wrong and a misplaced political strategy.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:55 PM
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55. All these issues were vetted previously and didn't work.
You just argued in another post on this thread that rumors regarding Napolitano aren't relevant and rumors don't work; but you're arguing in this post that rumors about Webb hating women should be relevant and would work. He won the female vote in his senate race, by the way...

The GOP will attack any VP candidate. Since when has that ever been a reason not to nominate somone for an office--that the GOP will attack them???? Webb is a pit bull and will fight back hard when attacked. Obama needs a VP like that to make up for some of his nice guy tendencies. He also appeals to a key demographic where Obama is weak; he wrote a book on that demographic! He also has a great populist economic message targeted to the working class. He would be great in rural PA, VA, the Carolinas, and Missouri. Areas that could swing the election.

Wasn't Kennedy/LBJ a 2 senator ticket?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:07 PM
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62. You're right, but...
in this case the GOP would be trying to tap into the dissatisfaction of women who had hoped to see a woman on the ticket. It's true the smears didn't work and Webb got elected, but he did so by the slimmest of majorities. And that was only one of the GOP attack lines I mentioned. As I've said repeatedly, he's cabinet material (if we can lose the senate seat) but I don't think he has anything like the electoral heft that you do. Economic populism is nice, but actual job creation is better.

As for the Scotch/Irish thing, I don't buy it. I'm pure Irish and Webb's demographic ID doesn't mean squat to me; I'm not disputing his appeal but I don't see that Napolitano would have any less. Kennedy and LBJ were a two senator ticket, and it was an exceptional one. I don't see any real advantage in it: it's clear that having a governor on the ticket is a far surer route to electoral credibility.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:12 PM
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20. K&R - She works for me. Her or Sebelius would be my choice. nt
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:15 PM
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22. Hahaha...no way
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:59 PM
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30. Well, you really persuaded me with that argument.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:01 PM
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32. ya know, Sebelius's father was Governor of Ohio...just saying...nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:05 PM
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36. I'll take a job creation record from right now over fond memories of KS's Dad.
I see what you're saying, but I'd never vote for someone just because one of their parents was a governor in the past. And families of governors = dynasty politics = elitism again. I admire Kathless Sebelius but she's not that charismatic.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:44 PM
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26. The VP selection is usually more about
Edited on Thu May-15-08 05:45 PM by nichomachus
balance than resume, although there should be a resume.

We can assume there are a certain number of voters who won't vote for Obama because he's black. There are also a certain number of voters who won't vote for a ticket that contains a woman. It's not clear whether those two groups completely overlap. It remains to be seen whether combining those two negatives would be a wise thing. You're asking voters to break new ground on two fronts. That could be dangerous.

It almost seems as if the VP choice for Obama has to be a safe one -- white, male, protestant, military, already well-known, some foreign policy experience.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:01 PM
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31. We need women voters too. And Napolitano is real easy for people to get with.
She's so down to earth and straight-talking, it's going to be impossible for the GOP to tag her as an elitist or anything less than salt of the earth.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:21 PM
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45. I hate to say this, but -- she's not married
Sorry -- that's not going to fly.

It doesn't make a shred of difference to me, but you know that we'll be subjected to 10 weeks of "she's a lesbian" mailers, whisper campaigns, robo calls, innuendos, you name it. "Next on Fox News, Would it matter if Janet Napolitano was a lesbian, as some people claim? Our panel of 18 right-wing Christians will discuss it for 22 hours non-stop."

In the mind of the reich wing, an unmarried woman is a lesbian. Combine that with a black man at the top of the ticket and we're finished.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:39 PM
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49. Why did it fly in AZ? They already tried it there.
Here's on angle on her that can probably stop that issue dead in its tracks.

'Napolitano won that election handily and was continuing at her breakneck pace -- white-water rafting in the Grand Canyon, trekking up Mount Kilimanjaro and following Wagner's Ring cycle to Italy -- when a mammogram stopped her in her tracks. At 42, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. "They did a lot of biopsies, and they were all positive," she says. "I didn't have many options. I had a mastectomy." Napolitano rarely talks publicly about her ordeal, but she says it profoundly affected her: "I had great healthcare because I was the AG of Arizona, so they caught it early. If I had not been so fortunate, I would have been in really bad shape. It drove home, personally, the value of early detection and education and intervention." These are lessons she has tried to apply as governor: In the past five years, she has opened a new medical school, recruited 50 percent more sorely needed nurses, and handed seniors one of the nation's first free prescription-drug discount cards.

'And that raises a silly but inescapable question: Despite her smarts, humor, political savvy and rough charm, can Napolitano win a national election? Being single hasn't been much of an issue in Arizona, though Napolitano's opponents have tried to use "family values" against her. In her 2002 governor's race, Napolitano faced a Republican ex-Congressman who "tried to highlight the fact that he was a family man and she was not," says Stephanie Sklar, former executive director of the Arizona League of Conservation Voters. "That has been a theme, not just in this state but in national elections, and it has helped men with families beat women without families. But he tried that here, and it didn't work."'

http://www.more.com/more-women/politics/the-razors-edge-janet-napolitano/?page=3

I'm really not that worried about it. Prettty much everyone thinks Condi Rice is a lesbian (and having met her best friend and house-owner, Randy Bean, I'm inclined to believe they're right), but they've gotten used to it. And attacking the personal life of a woman who's had breast cancer is not a winning strategy for the GOP. But you know she'll be able to sell her ability to deliver healthcare reform with Obama.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:48 PM
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54. Because people in AZ knew her
Edited on Thu May-15-08 06:49 PM by nichomachus
and she won a narrow victory there. If the Dems pick her as VP, most people in the US won't know her and the first they will really hear about her will be from their right-wing minister, a robo call, an anonymous mailing.

They will name her in late August. Most Americans will be in vacation mode until after Labor Day. Then, it's the GOP extravaganza in Minneapolis. So, the Dems can't begin to really define their candidate until about seven weeks out from the election. In the meantime, the GOP slime machine will have been hard at work.

In the '90s, there was a right-wing talk show in Boston that never referred to Janet Reno by name. The host and the callers simply called her "The Dyke." And the host made sure they talked about her at least once a day.


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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:45 PM
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64. Fuck the GOP. I am not scared of their slime machine
Democrats should have more confidence in themselves and stop fretting about what the GOP will do or say. Sure, it has to be taken into account. But they're on the defensive this year, to the point that their own strategists are describing the party as dog food that's past its sell-by date.

Nativisits loathe McCain. Social conservatives are disappointed that Huckabee didn't do well and they don't much like McCain either. Loads of congresspeople are retiring on the GOP side. They're so desperate that they're talking about picking Bobby Jindal for VP, a guy who's only been a governor since October (OK, that's probably wishful thinking on some GOPers parts - my money is on Mitt Romney).

Does Napolitano have the skills needed for the job? No question. Does she have an outstanding record of governance? Definitely. Is she any harder of a sell, or less well-known than other suggested candidates like Jim Webb or Brian Schweitzer? Nope.

Seriously, I only see 3 objections to Napolitano in the whole thread:

1. She's tough on illegal immigration. That's a sell as much as anything else, and her support of penalites for employers can be reframed as an economic justice issue. She has actually straddled both sides.

2. She's not famous. And there seems to be some idea that the Democrats are unable to define their own candidates before the GOP swiftboats them. C'mon people, grow a damn spine - if we can't take on the GOP when they are imploding, when are we going to take them on?

3. Maybe she's a lesbian! Yeah, this is the worst the GOP can throw at her. However, I think 'definitely a breast cancer survivor that builds hospitals' is a lot stronger than 'might be a lesbian'.

If that question comes up (which it surely will), she can just point at her record and say 'I'm not a lesbian. I've spent 8 years balancing budgets, creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs, and protecting our southern border, but Republicans think you should worry about my short haircut.' Yeah, 10-15% of the electorate will believe and endlessly repeat the charge. They're the same demographic that will never vote for a black man, and that would elect a rotting heap of elephant dung if it ran on the GOP ticket even if Jesus Christ himself was running for the Democrats. The people who think WorldNetDaily has an inside line The Truth and that the world is 5000 years old and may be flat too. Fuck 'em.

Most of America wants someone who can make their lives better, and Napolitano is the epitome of good government.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:17 AM
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67. Now, if only you were on the committee picking the VP
everything would be good. They will be much more conscious of what negatives a candidate brings to the ticket. I can assure you, they are much more cautious than you.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:49 PM
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27. NO!!!!!!! We have Kyl and McCain as Senators - Janet is one of the only bits
of sanity we have in Arizona.

Leave her alone ;)
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:03 PM
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34. ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country
The best thing Arizona could do for us is to get Janet into DC for 2 years and weather Jan B until 2010 before electing another Democrat. Why deny her skills to the other 49 states when she can help swing the election for us?
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:05 PM
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35. She has personal issues and Obama would not go there.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:07 PM
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38. Then name them.
One-line posts that contain an assertion with no follow-up or argument are just trolling. If you have a serious objection, put it up for others to discuss.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:44 PM
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51. There are rumors that Napolitano is a lesbian.
Now, I don't know or care if they're true, but others will.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:48 PM
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53. See my last comment in the thread. They don't stick to her.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:57 PM
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56. True. That being said I think she'd make an excellent VP pick.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:06 PM
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37.  I love her, but could be an issue in a "certain" area.
Edited on Thu May-15-08 06:07 PM by Neshanic
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:08 PM
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39. Innuendo is for freepers. Put it out on the table.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:13 PM
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41. There are rumors that she is a lesbian.
I love her and think she would be a terrific VP. Unfortunately, the entire election would be ugly innuendo and gay bashing.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:17 PM
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43. They haven't stopped her in AZ, and I've found no substance to them.
According to herself, she's straight, and rumors don't seem to have had any effect on her electoral success.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:30 PM
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47. First, don't call me freeper. Second, I live here, do you? Third, it is more than innuendo
as they attack her on air about it here in Phoenix constantly. That shit Hayworth that we got out of office makes it his personal pet project.

I could care less if she is or not, that's the fucking magic of being gay. If others are it's not big deal to me unless they are dictating what they think I should be doing in my personal life.

The reason I did not come out and say it is that if I did I would be attacked saying that I was too brutal saying it.

She's a great governor, and very poular, and stands up to republicans.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:47 PM
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52. Then don't act like one. I have no problem with you raising the issue...
...because it's a legitimate political factor. Yes, they'll attack her with it. But the proof of the pudding is that their charges haven't stuck even though they've used it as a dirty campaign trick in past elections. I think she can come right back and point out that it's not easy for a breast cancer survivor and switch it to healthcare.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:13 PM
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58. Obama has never demonstrated any political courage and would not go there.
That is the point. Whether she would be a good VP or not is irrelevant.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:19 PM
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59. I was not acting like one.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:50 PM
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65. I like my talk straight, not laced with innuendo.
If it offended you I'm sorry but I call them like I see them. I think the best way to deal with the whispering campaign type thing you worry about it is to take the bull by the horns. Tiptoeing around it (eg saying 'she has a personal problem') only encourages people to think the worst, and this kind of 'nod and wink' campaigning is what has worked so well for Karl Rove.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:27 PM
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61. Her record is phenomenal. I really like her, but I think she would hurt the ticket
because Americans are very superficial and judgmental.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:00 PM
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66. That's true. But by November, I say this election will be about economic issues.
They bring up distractions like this, accuse them of a lack of economic patriotism :-)
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