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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:03 PM
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Will Edwards Help Obama with Kentucky Voters?...
Opinions and information welcome. I've heard conflicting opinions from pundits, and would welcome opinions from fellow DUers.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:07 PM
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1. I doubt serious it will, because those folks edwards wanted to be
the champion did not stay and fight for them. Now they see that HRC is the one that will be there and fight for them.

When an endorsement is seen as someone receiving something in exchange for said endorsement as edwards is perceived to have, then no help will be forthcoming.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:18 PM
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3. IMO, your reasons are not true....
Not saying that Edwards will help in Kentucky, but just that your reasons are not true.

Edwards left the race because it was the responsible thing to do, IMO. He just could not pull the numbers he needed and the media was ignoring him. I don't believe staying in and wasting Dem Party resources would have been responsible.

Hillary may say she is fighting for white, hardworking voters, but--based on her actions--that isn't true. She has been very integral in sending the very jobs that demographic depends upon to India, and has provited handsomely from it. She has told her India outsourcing corporate backers that they should ignore the anger of American workers who lost their jobs to India, and guaranteed them that outsourcing to India would continue. So I think what she promises is something very different of what her actions have been.

If you have any evidence that any of your raasons are true, I'd love to see it.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:31 PM
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8. Look at Bill presently.
He's trying to cash in on a highway to Colombia's cheap labor.

I've debated here with Hillary supporters and I felt I was talking to a wall, and it felt like, when we all would argue on and on about 'no WMD's in Iraq'. I come to realize that what we are seeing in the dem party is the Zell Miller dem, who came over from the repubs to vote for Hillary. And once she is out, we will no longer see them as they will then go on to vote GOP in the election. Thank God we won't be talking to a wall soon.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:10 PM
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2. Not likely
As much as I admire Edwards, he is still looked upon as the guy who pays 400.00 bucks for a haircut. He really doesn't do that well with middle class/working class voters.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:19 PM
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4. If they show up down there together, it will move some votes his way.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:22 PM
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5. I doubted...the point of the Edwards endorsement was to
dampen the WV loss. Only Pat Buchanan is making an asinine argument about Kentucky.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:23 PM
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6. Perhaps minimally. The endorsement helped blunt
the WV loss.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:27 PM
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7. Probably very little?
But there is the possibility that they could cut her lead by a lot if Edwards an Obama toured the Lexington area and parts of Eastern Kentucky. Don't pander to the Evangelicals - pander to the basketball fans. :-) That is the true religion in the mountains. Tell the folks that he believes the Wildcats will win a national championship in his first term. His numbers will improve dramatically. If you're not from that part of KY, you will think that is the most stupid idea you have ever heard. But, I'm saying that is a very good strategy to get the people on his side.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:18 PM
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16. Best Post in Thread.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:57 PM
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19. Thanks Ghost !
People that know Eastern KY know what I am talking about. :-)
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:35 PM
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9. It might help a little, but I don't think the Obama team is counting on it
I think they timed it (very successfully) to take the news focus off of WV; Obama and Clinton will split the two primaries on the 20th, and he'll have the majority of pledged delegates by that time so he can declare that to take the edge off of the Clinton KY win...and he might even have another big endorsement lined up to release for maximum effect.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:54 PM
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12. The pundits yesterday mentioned that Edwards would help Obam in KY but....
of course, gave no reasons for that opinion. I think you're correct about the probability of the split of the vote in upcoming primaries.

Exciting times....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:38 PM
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10. Edwards keeps Hillary from doing any further damage
with her nonsense about a certain voting bloc.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:45 PM
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11. There's that!

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:44 PM
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13. He couldn't help himself when he was in the primaries.
He is even more of a non-factor today.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:04 PM
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14. Today he is helping make calls to Supers (that's what's been reported)
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:01 PM
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22. As a former Edwards supporter, I'm totally enjoying this. n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:28 PM
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15. Doubtful.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:26 PM
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17. No, but might hurt
Edwards' endorsement on the day after the voters of WV spoke was meant to obscure that victory - a direct slap in the face to those voters.

I foresee a resentment from that slight that will be most pronounced regionally - KY, OH, PA, etc.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:30 PM
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18. Kentucky told him to fuck off in 2004 (60% Bush/Cheney-40% Kerry/Edwards)
They aren't falling for his bullshit.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:59 PM
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20. Didn't help in 2004 -
- so don't see why it would make any difference now.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:59 PM
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21. highly doubtful
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:13 PM
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23. Possible implications of an Edwards endorsement....
I found this article written on 3/17/2008 in which the author dicusses the possibility of Edwards endorsing Clinton and what it would mean for Clinton and Obama.

Besides the interesting retrospect, and ocntemplating MY, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED, the author does give some insight into what he believes would be the impact of an Edwards endorsement.




March 17, 2008

EDWARD'S ENDORSEMENT OF CLINTON IMMINENT?

On this week's Chris Matthews Show, Richard Stengel of Time magazine made a prediction in the "Tell me something I don't know" segment of the program:

John Edwards. Senator John Edwards -- remember him? -- who's been conspicuously silent since he dropped out of the race, will endorse a Democratic candidate probably before North Carolina, certainly before North Carolina, possible before Pennsylvania. And our own Mark Halpern on the page says it's going to be Senator Hillary Clinton.


Buzz up!on Yahoo!The transcript needed some quote marks or capitalization, since Stengel was referring to "The Page" on the Time website, written by Mark Halperin. Now, some may take this with a grain of salt, since Halperin has already gotten in some trouble over characterizing what John Edwards is thinking. But for the sake of discussion, let's take Stengel at his word, and assume his (or Halperin's) prediction is accurate.

If John Edwards openly endorses Hillary Clinton, what could it mean to the nomination race? For starters, it would surprise a lot of Edwards supporters. Most of the unions backing Edwards have moved into the Obama camp, and they may be disappointed by Edwards going the other direction. However, one of Edwards' core constituencies of support was among white men -- who are now firmly in the Clinton camp (if exit polls are to be believed). So while either endorsement from Edwards is going to please some of his supporters and annoy some others, it's not outside the bounds of possibility that he would back Hillary, and influence voters as a result.

The problem for Edwards is that the window of opportunity to make such an endorsement (and have it be relevant) is fast closing. I have written about this before, calling on Edwards, Gore, and Richardson to make up their minds, already. And it bears mentioning that if Edwards endorses Clinton, but Gore (or, to a lesser extent, Richardson) endorses Obama, it could be seen as balancing out for the two campaigns.

But just taking Edwards' endorsement of Clinton on its own, how much would it help Hillary and how much could it hurt Obama? Because Edwards has waited so long to do so, two things are immediately apparent. The first is there aren't that many states left to vote. The second is that Edwards' endorsement may be reduced to a regional influence rather than a national one.

The only states remaining in the contest that an Edwards endorsement would probably carry any weight are the Appalachian states -- North Carolina, Kentucky, and West Virginia. John Edwards served as U.S. Senator from North Carolina, so this is where his opinion would likely matter the most. Kentucky and West Virginia share similar demographics in some ways to North Carolina, and in other ways not so much. So his influence on voters there would be less than in North Carolina, but probably more than in any of the other states left to vote (including Pennsylvania). Even in North Carolina, Edwards' influence may not be as weighty as some would think. He did, after all, quit his Senate seat when it became apparent that he might not win reelection there.

But again, for the sake of argument, let's assume that Edwards' endorsement would be listened to closer in these three states than anywhere else in the country. This could be a problem for Barack Obama. As things currently stand, Obama has a solid lead in North Carolina. Polls for Kentucky and West Virginia are almost non-existent, leaving us to pure speculation about the electorate in these two states. But while Obama has been consistently leading Clinton in North Carolina, his lead may not be insurmountable for Hillary -- with Edwards at her side.

Hillary Clinton actually led in the North Carolina polls for all of the later part of 2007 -- it wasn't until very early in 2008 that Obama started leading. His current lead is only about 7 or 8 points, so it's not inconceivable that Edwards could swing some of those votes back to Hillary's column. And maybe, just maybe, as goes North Carolina, so goes Kentucky and West Virginia. Maybe.

If that does indeed happen, it likely wouldn't be enough to let Hillary catch up in pledged delegates before the convention, so even if she won in these three states (with her expected victory in Pennsylvania), Barack Obama will likely still lead in pledged delegates when the Democratic Convention begins. But psychologically, it would be a huge victory for Clinton, and a huge defeat for Obama, for several reasons.

Obama has done exceptionally well in the South so far, winning six states (AL, GA, LA, MS, SC, VA) to Clinton's two (AR and TN). Winning three more states would even things up for Hillary, especially if she also re-wins in Florida. The other big reason this would be a big loss for Obama is bigness. If Hillary wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Florida -- and also North Carolina -- then she will have swept all the "big" states except Illinois, Obama's home state. This would greatly bolster her argument for how electable she is in the general election. And no matter how the remaining states vote, this argument -- made to the superdelegates -- may be what decides the nomination.

Now, there are a lot of "ifs" in all of that, I freely admit. If Edwards endorses Clinton. If she can grab North Carolina. If West Virginia and Kentucky follow. If she can successfully make the electability argument to the superdelegates. If, if, if. But it's a clearer path to her actually winning the nomination than anything else the Clinton camp has been touting of late, so even though it rests on everything breaking Clinton's way, it's at least worth examining at this point.

So, Senator Edwards... we're all waiting to hear whether Richard Stengel was right or not. How long is it going to take you to make up your mind? That creaking sound you hear is your window of opportunity, slowly sliding shut. If you're going to endorse either candidate, you need to do so soon, before it slams shut entirely.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/edwards-endorsement-of-c_b_91980.html?view=print

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