Obama supporters unwise to attack Hillary Clinton

[MethuenProgressive]

The Seattle Times (WA): Obama supporters unwise to attack Hillary Clinton
By Froma Harrop
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/200441194...

Obamites are throwing victory parties over the impending defeat of a fellow Democrat who has thus far pulled in more than 47 percent of their party's primary and caucus participants. Some take a more direct approach. In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers holding signs for Clinton.

Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane. Last week's enemy was working-class white people. The Democrats can win without a majority of white voters — as Obama strategists undiplomatically note — but they can't win without a strong showing among them. So Obama partisans do not help their cause by willfully misrepresenting Clinton's reference to "hard-working Americans, white Americans" as racist rather than as a poorly worded observation made in a state of utter exhaustion. The fervor of their outrage suggests that some regard the mere consideration of white people, particularly white men, as a demographic needing a special message is an act of bigotry. (That's as opposed to a thousand other racial and socio-economic groups that politicos routinely slice and dice.)

We now hear pained remarks from the Obama camp that many white men won't vote for any black. Oh really? No one was complaining during the early races in Iowa, Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin, when most of the white male participants backed Obama. That was before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ugliness became public. Weirdly, Obamite triumphalism seems to be merging with the festivities on the Republican side. You can understand why the right would welcome what it prays is "the end of the Clinton era." Bill Clinton presided over the longest peacetime expansion since World War II. His budget surpluses put his so-called conservative predecessors and successor to shame. Wouldn't a vow to build on the Clinton legacy, rather than dismantle it, be a better tack for the Obama campaign?

Obama can't beat John McCain without large chunks of Clinton's core constituency: women, Hispanics and the white working class. Dumping on their candidate is one step removed from dumping on them — and some of the Obama people don't even bother with that step. Rove must be enjoying the show.

[Crazy Dave]

1. Celebrating is considered "disrespecting"?

Give me a fucking break

[Rockholm]

20. It is all in how one celebrates.

I would have to say a fair majority of Obama supporters her on DU have not shown much class in the way they go after Hillary. Now that the end is drawing on her campaign, the frenzy is mounting and I for one, find it quite hard to watch.
Look at the way some fans of sports teams react when their team WINS a championship. Riots, burning cars & buildings, etc. No class.

[Crazy Dave]

52. It all depends how one complains and whines

Not directing this at you but to all the dipshits who say they're going to vote for McCain or another Nader unless "their" candidate is the democratic nominee.

[Texas Hill Country]

80. "turning them into "the enemy" is insane" ... enough said.

[MethuenProgressive]

90. That's the key point of the piece, Tex.

[unlawflcombatnt]

154. And that's what the Obama camp is doing even as we speak

They continue to spew their hateful bile.

Not at good way to "bring people together."

[complain jane]

181. I know.

And if you comment on it, you're either a racist or a Hillary supporter upset at her impending loss. They're friggen ridiculous.

[Rockholm]

123. You and I both know that "those" people...

are not real Democrats and are not committed to taking the White House bank in November. This is for people in both the Obama and Clinton camps. I am amazed that any of us would say "If _____ is the nominee, I am not voting" or "If _____ is the nominee, I am voting McCain or third party."
I still fully support Hillary Clinton. If she is not the nominee, then I will support Barack Obama. To me, there is no other option.

[unlawflcombatnt]

136. Obama & his followers wrote the book on whining & complaining

Never has a candidate, nor his supporters, been such spineless, whining, crybaby.

[Crazy Dave]

163. I still say "Fuck you" to all the assholes who say...

"I'm voting for McCain if Hillary isn't the nominee"

They should just call themselves republican wannabe pieces of shit who want a war to continue, higher gas prices and no health care just because their queen wasn't the nominee.

[Kahuna]

191. I still can't believe that hillary voters have the nerve to criticize anyone

on "class." It's the height of hypocrisy.

[Leopolds Ghost]

114. You are unwise to lower your DEFENSES, Obama-wan!

It is pointless to resist, my son. You... and your supporters... are now mine.

EDWARDS: "No! It can't be! I'll never join you!"

You don't know the power of the Dark side!

EDWARDS: "There's still good in him... I can feel it. I must try to save him!"

HILLARY: Ha ha ha ha! Good! Goooood! Now, strike down the Democratic nominee and take his place at MY side.

[unlawflcombatnt]

135. Hurling insults at Clinton supporters IS disrespectful

"In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers holding signs for Clinton."

Or is this an Obama cultist's idea of "celebrating"?

[Jester Messiah]

179. Cry me some more crocodile tears

You speak of disrespect and then go on to call the Obama camp "cultists" ?

Try showing some respect, then you might be shown some in return.

[unlawflcombatnt]

189. Why?

You've shown nothing but disdain and hatred of Clinton.

You'll get some respect when (and if) you earn it.

[complain jane]

183. They're acting like Repukes.

Lovely. Makes me want to run right out and vote.

[rucky]

2. Hillary Clinton supporters unwise to attack Barack Obama

Dems unwise to attack Dems.

Welcome back.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. wha? Unless the dem is a Clinton or supporter?

[rucky]

19. You're impossible. n/t

[JoFerret]

107. As so many are such

sore winners it would seem that is wise advice.

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. I agree completely with the article.

"Wouldn't a vow to build on the Clinton legacy, rather than dismantle it, be a better tack for the Obama campaign?"

I was so offended when Obama went after the Clinton legacy.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. BO has 'burned his bridges before he got to them'

When BO delivered that Pastor Wright inspired speech at the 2004 convention he should listened to what he was saying, imo.

[DS1]

11. I doubt you even remember what he said

bringing that up is just an excuse to say the name "Wright" and you know it

[dorktv]

140. Lovely image you got there. Way to build bridges to voters you need.

[satireV]

160. Your sig reminds me of Cheney cursing Leahy.

I suppose you consider your profanity a unification. I just haven't figured out what or who you are unifying with?

Ashcroft? Gonzales? Scooter?
Fascism?

[Bluenorthwest]

169. I remember what he said

And I remember that Patti LaBelle sang and brought down the house. I also remember that at the 2004 GOP Convention, Donnie McClurkin sang for GW Bush as Democratic protesters were being dragged away by the police. The same Donnie McClurkin Obama put up on a stage to attack GLBT people to win the votes of religious bigots in the South.
Donnie sang 'Stand' for George W. It was sickening. He wept and pouted and flirted lilke Monroe singing Happy Birthday to JFK. Obama loved what he saw and hired himself some Donnie too.

[satireV]

173. Is this factual?

Wow.... I am going to research this.

thanks for the heads up.

[Bluenorthwest]

176. Yes of course it is factual

In addition, there was an uproar in the press and even among some Republicans about the use of McClurkin. Donnie is not just 'ex-gay' he's a Fundy across the board. Donnie has never once said he was supporting Obama, by thet way. Obama has sort of supported Donnie, but Donnie is a well known Republican activist.
Here is my favorite of all Donnie McClurkin quotes, has nothing to do with GLBT people at all. It is in reference to Donnie's relationship with Bush: " Travelling around the world, sitting with the President, this means more than anything to me."
It is such a deep confession for a so called minister to make about his priorities. More than anything, says the man who claims to save souls for Jesus. More than anything. That says all any person with a brain or a Democratic ballot ought to need to know about Donnie McClurkin.

[still_one]

32. The ONLY question in peoples mind should be do they want mccain or a Democrat

You want to still fight the primaries, go ahead, but the issues are very clear

The Iraq War
The Supreme Court
The Economy

Most likely Obama WILL be the Democratic nominee. If some Democrats don't like it, and they decide to either NOT vote or worse vote for mccain, and because of that action mccain wins, then this country WILL DESERVE WHAT IT GETS

[MethuenProgressive]

43. Did you read the piece quoted and linked in the OP? That's the advice being givien there.

With the damage done to the Party by the Obama Camp, the November result - once a sure bet - is now in question.

[still_one]

This isn't coming from the Obama camp as you put it. Individual supporters on both sides

have been jerks

If people make their decisions at the polls based on a candiate's supporters insults, the consequences will be paid then. The last 8 years have pretty much convienced we are getting what we deserve, and except for a handful of Congressional Democrats during that time, their haven't been much Profiles of Courage

If mccain wins then we will be screwed by the Supreme Court, and if people are stupid enough to do that, then I've had it

[rodeodance]

55. then you need to take seriously what the OP is saying.

[still_one]

71. It isn't my problem. I have been through the fight for civil rights, which include

gender issues.

The supreme court is at stake. Do you what you want, I am to the point where I will vote Democratic, but whatever happens, happens

[havocmom]

8. the Clintons themselves have been the ones damaging the Clinton Legacy

by their very behavior. If Obama hadn't pointed out the really bad behavior, HRC would have attacked him for not being enough of a fighter to be the DEM nominee. This shit of damned (by HRC and her 29%ers) if he does and damned (by HRC and her 29%ers) if he doesn't is getting pretty fucking tiresome. It has ALWAYS been transparent and feeble.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Many other victims of Obama's anti-Clinton Swiftboat plot agree with you.

Karl Rove.. er, I mean David Axelrod, is wicked good at what he does.

[havocmom]

54. LOL More of the rovian/gop style projection I see.

don't stare too long into the mirror, Alice.

[merh]

42. She is the one that has dismantled her legacy

Those that have voiced their opposition to the hillary campaign have, for the most part; opposed her tactics; her attacks on a fellow dem; her use of rove-like tactics; her lies; her poor operations of her campaign; her trust in advisors that were going against what she was saying; her negative attacks and then her whining about being attacked on her policies and lies; ....

I could go on, but it is The Clintons that have done their own dismantling and that have caused so much harm to their individual and joint legacies.

If she wants respect, she needs to start offering it to others (same thing with a majority of her supporters here). That golden rule thing really does matter.

[Blue_Roses]

49. Oh, give it a break...

"the Clinton legacy" was tarnished by none other than Bill Clinton with his midnight tromps through the WH with the young intern. Many of us stood by him, while being ridiculed, because we loved Bill and Hillary. He threw US under the bus by doing this to begin with. Bullshit. I'm so sick of Hillary supporters crying about something that the Clintons brought on themselves

[paulk]

92. I guess it depends on what you define as "the Clinton legacy"

I tend to look at the eight years of peace and prosperity, the largest, most continuous economic expansion in our history, the appointment of two liberal Supreme Court judges, etc., etc.

You focus on Bill Clinton's cock.

To each his or her own, I guess...

[philk17088]

130. Huh?

Peace? I guess the suffering in Bosnia was peace? We sent our troops to "peace"?
And what happened under his leadership in 1994? The republican revolution, thats what. He co-opted republican ideas such as welfare reform and what about DADT? NAFTA?
Legacy my ass.

[paulk]

131. another newbie troll

[Ronnie]

133. Well, he's for sure not one of the 400 peacemakers.

[Bake]

110. I suggest you get over Clinton's penis. You sound like a Republican.

OMG, his midnight romps with an intern! What will we tell the children????

JFK was a playa, but you don't hear that. LBJ was known to be a womanizer too. As was Poppy Bush. But it was Clinton's penis that single-handedly destroyed the Democratic Party!

Bull. Shit.

The true Clinton legacy is, as the OP's article states, the longest peace-time economic expansion, the budget surpluses, etc. Not, I repeat, NOT a blue dress.

Bake

[Texas Hill Country]

88. me too

[GodlessBiker]

5. I agree. But the author is spinning "poorly worded observation made in a state of utter exhaustion"

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. Those were Obama's words when he "misspoke"

He is only human, says Obama. He is exhausted due to the campaign and misspeaks. And you all forgive him. Well, give her the same benefit of the doubt.

[rodeodance]

39. ah yes, Obamaspek: When BHO does it it is mispeak, when Hillary does it -it is a lie.

[havocmom]

59. When she does it 3-4 times, yep, it IS a lie

Duck! small female sniper with a poem!!!!

[Shakespeare]

6. Pat Buchanan writes opinion pieces, too.

And so does Peggy Noonan. So....yeah. There ya go.

[TahitiNut]

45. Froma Harrop has a loooong series of anti-Obama (and pro-NAFTA) columns.

She seems to have an "issue" with him. She defended the Clinton campaign's use of Osama bin Laden's image in attacking Obama. She piled on in attacking Reverend Wright. She's clearly a Hillbot.

[Window]

85. Clearly.

[redqueen]

91. You made me think of that old adage...

that people will judge you by the company you keep.

[stevietheman]

9. If Hillary had run a campaign that didn't seek to smear Obama, I would agree. n/t

n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. Most importantly, Obama has not ONCE insulted Hillary's voters...

while the Clintons and their surrogates have repeatedly insulted Obama's supporters.

I don't like the premise of someone wagging their finger at me and telling me I shouldn't "attack" Hillary Clinton, because they mean "attack" as including standing up to her outrageous lies and smears of Obama and his supporters, like me.

If they think I'm going to lay down and play doormat for Hillary Clinton, they are wrong. She's earned the criticism she's received, and I'm tired of being blamed for problems SHE'S initiated.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. What planet have you been on?

He has shouted "Racism!" from the rooftops
He said that her supporters are "bitter" and therefore cling to guns and god in a reactionary way (and apparently need a daddy to set them straight).

He has attacked Clinton as a woman and a progressive. He has attacked her verasity and claimed that she was in part responsible for Bhutto's death. He has attacked non-stop in a politics as usual campaign..just like Bush did to Gore, while the press considered Gore's responses: "attacks."

You are way way off base.

[stevietheman]

31. None of what you say is remotely near the truth.

Keep up the exaggerations and falsehoods. It won't matter to how things play out.

[Tyler Durden]

44. If it's wrong, refute it. "No it isn't!" is Monty Python, not debate.

[rodeodance]

57. and very much like how Bush operates.

[walldude]

137. Well the poster made some pretty outrageous claims

with nary a link to back it up. Why should the responder be the one who has to prove or disprove what the poster said?

[Name removed]

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[havocmom]

66. BRAVO!

[MethuenProgressive]

119. "bravo" to a delete-worthy message...

[Beacool]

73. These Obama fans have drunk too much of the Kool-Aid.

Obama and his camp have not attacked Hillary??????? It must be so nice to go through life with blinders on.

[PoliticalAmazon]

86. Spin worthy of Terrry "Karen Hughes" McAluiff....

You are trying to "prove" that Obama has insulted Hlllary supporters by (falsely) claiming he has "attacked" Hillary. Get a clue. Criticizing Hillary for her backward-thinking, conservative toadying actions and statements is NOT insulting Hillary voters. It is you who is "way off base."

He has not called Hillary voters racist.

He did not say her supporters are "bitter," unless you are spinning ALL rural voters as "Hillary supporers." Here's a clue for you: Obama swept the rural areas of Nevada, where the vast majority of voters are white, working-class people.

Obama has never attacked Hlllary "as a woman." Post evidence.

Obama has not "attacked" Hillary as a progressive. He has criticized some of her tactics and policies. If you don't want Hillary's policies and tactics criticized, then you should talk to Hillary and get her to stop the divisive, Bush/Rove pig-slop politics.

You are attempting to paint Obama with the brush that should be used on Hillary: it is she who has eagerly embraced Bush/ROve pig-slop politics. I may point out that this approach IS a Bush/Rove pig-slop tactic.

[MethuenProgressive]

129. Another victim of Obama's Swiftboat is heard from.

[sfaprog]

185. One link to back up that total BS. One link is all we ask...

Pure made-up slander. Disgusting.

[rodeodance]

157. oh poor wittle obama .

[democrattotheend]

10. I agree. We need to show class and reach out, not keep attacking Clinton.

I am not saying she is above criticism as long as she remains a candidate (or even after), but some of the attacks on her from Obama supporters lately have been tasteless and completely unnecessary. I encourage Obama supporters to think before they post attacks on Hillary Clinton about whether they are really necessary and whether they will further alienate her supporters. Personally, I hope that Clinton supporters here and in the real world will be with us in the general election, as voters and as activists, and I don't see how we can expect you to do that when we keep trashing you and your candidate.

[Citizen_Penn]

18. Let her reach out first, I say

Demonstrate that there is some shred of decency in her.

But, no, no, no - not because you or anyone else thinks it's the "right" thing to do.

Always will I reject that bogus reasoning.

She started the fire, let her carry the first water bucket.

[Tyler Durden]

47. Obama needs Clinton: Clinton DOES NOT need Obama.

If as you believe the race is over, then Obama AND his mostly rude Campaign have no excuse for continued mayhem.


The MATH is not delegates: it's 1 in 16; that's the number of the 47% of Democratic participants in the Primary (MINUS bad ol' MI and FL of course ) that if they reject Obama, NOT reject AND vote for McCain, that will turn this election into something that George McGovern would have ENVIED.

You NEVER kick an opponent when they are down; not if you want their HELP someday.

[smoogatz]

64. Is there an award for the most tortured misunderstanding of political

reality ever? If so, I think you just won it.

[Citizen_Penn]

98. The only more stupid

would be the deny that the winner is the winner.

Or KICKING (violent aren't you?), the winner when he's up!!!



Oh, yeah, I said, SHE IS A LOSER.

That's not kicking, it's REALISM.

[eilen]

180. I don't know that he needs her

he has John Edwards. If anything, she would have needed him--and his money. He doesn't owe her anything. If you are saying he needs her supporters, well, that may be true. If she would choose to support him and help him, well yes, he could use the support and maybe, just maybe, she and her loose cannon of a husband could repair some of the damage they wrought. Ultimately, politics is going forward in a new way, one in which the Clinton campaign was ill prepared for and it showed. All things being equal, however, I think this election is the Democrat's to lose.

[Jim Sagle]

134. Assholes like you just make it all that much harder.

You want our votes, you GODDAMN WELL better ask nicely for them.

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RandomKoolzip]

148. .

EXCLAMATION POINT.................................................

[Name removed]

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[asthmaticeog]

15. I didn't realize I was being "disrespected" by the Kerry supporters who celebrated his victory

in the '04 primary, though I didn't support his nomination. Well, I'll know better next time!

[JVS]

22. They dissed you hard dude. Now you have to respond with all your hate and spite!

[asthmaticeog]

37. I now realize I should have made constant, elliptical threats to withhold my vote.

And to hold my breath until I turned blue or they gave the nom, unearned, to Dennis Kucinich. I obviously have a lot to learn about political tactics.

[JVS]

56. Back in 2004, they probably wouldn't have tolerated that.

Don't get me wrong, I think the mods do a fine job now especially considering all the flames going on, but in GDP back in 2004 if you got 5 posts deleted you were no longer allowed in GD . I also remember the rule about "unambiguously positive signatures"

[asthmaticeog]

78. It was TOTALLY different circumstances in 2004.

In 2004, you didn't have a huge mob of, say, pro-Clark trolls registering well after it was obvious that Clark wouldn't be the nominee, but signing up to stir up shit with laughable demands that the nomination be given to him anyway, like we have with some of the more noxious Clintonistas this year. I've noticed that pretty much any Clinton supporter who signed up here after about mid-February can be pretty easily pegged for a HillTroll.

And hell yeah, the mods are doing a bang-up job in the face of some utterly ludicrous shit from BOTH sides. Total respek from this DUer.

[JVS]

79. Ah, memories. A more innocent time.

[Name removed]

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[asthmaticeog]

167. First of all, don't you dare call me a troll, newbie.

Second, I used the term to describe a certain type, not all Clinton supporters, though if the shoe fits, wear it. My mom voted for Clinton in the Ohio primary. I don't call her a "Clintonista." Because she's not a rabid, mindless HillTroll. Most Clinton supporters on DU aren't either. If you can't see that I was talking about a specific group -- I even spelled out the specific objectionable behaviors! -- then plainly you can't see at all.

Third, keep poking me and I'll SHOW you what "hate" is.

On edit: I notice your profile's turned off. Interesting.

[Name removed]

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[asthmaticeog]

175. Helpful hint: you're only supposed to post that when someone whines. nt

[BenDavid]

16. Obama can't beat McCain without large chunks of HRC's core

constituency: women, Hispanics and the white working class. Dumping on our candidate is one step removed from dumping on us — and some of the Obama people don't even bother with that step.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. It seems a point completely beyond comprehension to many of BO's DU followers.

Attacking WV voters as 'low information'? There goes that pot again...

[Tyler Durden]

48. I loved the pictures of College Students deriding HRC supporters in WV.

Wish I had one handy.

In WV we'll be lucky if we don't see a LANDSLIDE for McCain. Campaign Obama blew that one completely; a perfect chance to be gracious shot to hell.

[MethuenProgressive]

121. Another bridge burned by Obama.

He does know there's an election in November, doesn't he?

[eridani]

143. That must be why Clinton recycled the strictly REPUKE "elitist" meme, right?

Because the REPUKES wouldn't use it against her? On what planet?

[havocmom]

62. Any HRC supporter who won't support the DEM nominee

is a republican, whether they are brave enough to face themselves honestly or not.

[Hatchling]

93. Any HRC supporter who won't support the DEM nominee

might just be a newly registered Independent.

[havocmom]

100. Give our regards to Ralph

Blackmail will not win friends nor influence people with spines

[Hatchling]

128. How to Win Friends and Influence People!?

This is certainly a book you should re-read, sweetie. (You don't mind if I call you sweetie?)

Perhaps I should have said that I have registered as unaffiliated? I'm just sick and tired of being called a Republican if I support Hillary and do not support Obama.

I have not advocated Nadar nor will on this board. Nor for any candidate that is not a Democrat. This board is for the purpose of supporting Democratic candidates. If there is a candidate I cannot support, after DU declares, I will keep my mouth shut, nor will I advocate against them, nor for any of their opponents.

As for calling it a threat or blackmail, it is neither. It is a statement of fact that I have changed my political affiliation. I am still allowed to be here if my values are progressive. They are.

It is a long time til November. I have plenty of time to look over all nominees for President and make my choice by then. Maybe Obama will look better by then.

[dorktv]

147. *sighs* Must you be so rude to Democratic voters who would rather not have

someone who they have issues with?

[Blue-Jay]

84. You should be working to change that.

[eridani]

142. I'm a woman, and I'm not her core constituency n/t

[AZSlacker]

17. I find it ironic that Obamite is the first word in an op ed making the case that Obama supporters

had better be careful about attacking Clinton supporters. I agree with the sentiment, but lobbing firebombs while telling the other side to disarm is kind of a tactic.

[highplainsdem]

25. Obamite, like Clintonite, is a completely neutral term. Why are you taking offense?

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Pat Buchanan editorial: Right before WV - "IN DEFENSE OF HILLARY'

In defense of Hillary
Posted: May 12, 2008
8:40 pm Eastern

by Patrick J Buchanan.





WORLD NET DAILY

In the editorial he 'explains' racism to his reader.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag...

[Swamp Rat]

28. ugh!

[Texas Hill Country]

87. actually, i think he is exactly right.

[RandomKoolzip]

149. Um, you DO realize we're talking about Pat "Fucking" Buchanan, here, right?

This "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" bullshit is the same way BushCo ran their foreign policy, and it's just as stupid on this stage.

[JoFerret]

195. Oooh! Pat B

gotta listen to him.
Let's post his ideas all over DU and send him a new pitchfork.
(relevance?)

[BlueJac]

24. You need a break for a while.

[still_one]

29. This article is a backhanded way of injecting race into the campaign again

Froma Harrop appears not to be a fan of Obama. Her article trys to continue the race baiting issue

It really comes down to this:

1. The Iraq war
2. Healthcare
3. jobs
4. The Supreme Court
5. Social Security
6. Medicare
7. The Environment
8. The high price of food and energy
9. Education

If people believe that they are better of than they were 8 years ago, then they should vote for mccain, because there is no doubt that he will continue MOST of the bush policies of the last 8 years

However, if people have another view then they should vote Democratic

and most likely that Democratic nominee WILL BE OBAMA

Googling the author of the article, Froma Harrop, appears that she has a bias against Obama, and a preference for Hillary

She obviously doesn't like the results of the PRIMARY.

The author conviently forgets that it was the ACTUAL Clinton campaign that introduced these "side" distractions, including elevating mccain over Obama

The truth is that it was Clinton who was the presumptive Democratic nominee a year ago. It also was mccain who was suppossed to be the republican nominee

I suggest that these opinion writers and so called journalists are more uninformed than they care to admit

Where were their voices when they were beating the war drums for us to attack Iraq based on LIES?

[rodeodance]

46. The Obama camp inserted race the day Obama silently stood by and allowed his

surrogates to attach hillary in relation to non-racial MLK remarks.

[still_one]

69. Want to continue the fight, go for it. I'm through. People who don't want

to vote Democratic because they don't like the Democratic nominee, and if mccain wins because of that, I won't like it because for my daughters sake, but I will be done with the political process.

If that happens, the mccain Supreme Court will put back both civil rights by at least 50 years, and that includes civil rights based on both gender and race.

We will have a Democratic Congress with a clear majorty. Whether the whitehouse follows, who knows, but based on the last 8 years I wouldn't have too much confidence that a Supreme Court will be to our likeing if we don't have a Democratic President

if people don't vote what is in the countries, and their own best interest they won't get my sympathy

[rodeodance]

94. the primaries are not over. Cut with the arrogant lectures.

[still_one]

103. They are over for me, if they are not for you that is fine. No arrogance intended

The stakes are very clear, have a good day

[Cass]

30. Good article!

K & R

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[Ian_rd]

34. She is now officially Lieberman.

Like Lieberman, she can do whatever the hell she wants because there are going to be people in the party who are scared shitless that if any moves are made against her, or for that matter any strong criticism, then she will use her power to hurt the Democrats. She will be the proverbial child who destroys her playmate's toys when she loses a game. Lieberman can campaign for McCain and label Obama a terrorist all he wants and still keep his positions in the Senate because Harry Reid doesn't want Joe to join the Republican Party and switch the balance of power. And now Hillary can continue this egotistical charade and damage Obama's chances in the General Election because the party is scared that if angered she'll rob the nomination from Obama, or perhaps even snipe at him after the nomination, and ensure a McCain victory beyond a doubt.

Like, Lieberman, she is holding our party hostage while hurting it at the same time. You have got to know that this is common talk within the Obama campaign. Surely part of his motivation is to stay positive, but another part is to avoid angering Clinton because of her power to throw the election to McCain for pure spite. Anyone who doubts she can do this is not paying attention. Look at the reaction to Edwards by many Hillary supporters. All of a sudden he is a phony and a target of frothing hatred because of his lack of support for their candidate. If she says, "jump off that cliff," they will.

[dkf]

35. You know who got me to vote for John Kerry? It wasn't Kerry, it was Howard Dean.

If Hillary can't get you to vote Dem then its her failure.

[rodeodance]

36. Thanks for the OP. Very good advice in that article.

[MethuenProgressive]

41. From the responses, it seems only a few have read past the title.

Seems to be a tradition.

[Tyler Durden]

50. They are ENJOYING their mutilation of HRC.

Both campaigns behaved badly: almost in exact equal measure; that is what STIMULATES the over response of the Obama Camp. Clinton was too close to being a mirror, therefore she must be smashed and ground to dust.

[eridani]

145. Really? There is objective evidence to the contrary

That would be the 70+ Clinton maxed out campaign donors who started donating to Obama in March. One of them, a $500K+ Hillraiser, specifically cited concerns about the negativity of the campaign.

[rodeodance]

63. that was enough to set of the Faux OUTRAGE. --for many.

[dkf]

38. Only props are from Hillary people.

What a joke.

[skipos]

40. Oh the irony. This is being posted by one of DU's biggest anti-Obama shit stirrers

It reminds me of when Republicans start talking about the need for bipartisanship after they get there asses handed to them in an election (ie 2006).

[rodeodance]

58. KILL THE MESSENGER---Very Rovian.

[havocmom]

67. When the messanger plays at rove, yep,

[skipos]

77. Hey! It is another anti-Obama shit stirrer!

Hillary & Bill using Rovian tactics = OK!
Skipos saying the post is ironic = Not OK!

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[MethuenProgressive]

96. "Next time you get pregnant, Froma, I'm calling for that baby's head."

...

[crimsonblue]

99. it's called hyperbole...

[MethuenProgressive]

101. Calling for the death of the author's child isn't mere hyperbole.

And you wonder why people see Obama's supporters the way they do?

[crimsonblue]

102. right... because someone posted a comment in a thread that upset you

why don't you call the waaaabulance...

[rodeodance]

105. someone pointed out your violent post and you make fun!!!

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[MethuenProgressive]

166. Did that really happen??

The OP should've been tombstoned for that.

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

177. So -- the DU ADmins are stooges according to you. Why are you here again?

[rodeodance]

104. Why do you bring shame on DU with such a violent post--calling for a baby's head!!

......Next time you get pregnant, Froma, I'm calling for that baby's head. Look at me, I can be a cold hearted whore, too!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

106. While I can't confirm the cold hearted whore part ...

You've certainly proved yourself an OINKer.


"Next time you get pregnant, Froma, I'm calling for that baby's head. Look at me, I can be a cold hearted whore, too!"