For the benefit of Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton:

[saltpoint]

"It is distinctly possible to stay too long at the fair."

--Joan Didion

[K Gardner]

1. Brief, but heavy in meaning. Like a haiku ! Thanks OC :-)

[saltpoint]

2. Hiya, K Gardner. Good morning!

[BigDDem]

3. Barack Hussein Obama:

she should "stay in as long as she wants."

[saltpoint]

30. He can't not say it, BigDDem. But I can say it.

I agree with Obama owing to the position he'd be in if he tried that statement. But the writing is on the wall.

Has been for a while, I'd say.

I only get one vote, as you do. But in Denver I think it will be Illinois' junior Senator who takes the podium and not New York's.

[RichGirl]

4. For all those who have been for months now...

wanting Hillary to drop out: Why? Oh, I know, because that's how it has always been done. Like in 2004. Howard Dean had huge popularity and we really believed in him, but by SC, I think, he'd dropped out. A few states voted, the media pounced him and he was done. Imagine that he had stayed. What if he'd decided that all 50 states needed a say in the primaries. I worked very hard on the Kerry campaign but I didn't choose him. I didn't know a single person who would have chosen him. One state and he was inevidable. If Dean had stayed in, maybe Clark and Edwards too...it would have removed the "inevidable" label and all the states would have had a say. Things could have been different and we would have gotten the candidate that most people wanted.

[babylonsister]

6. You have to even ask why??? Look at the map...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5963280&mesg_id=5963280

[RichGirl]

7. Screw the map.

You didn't understand my post. I'm talking about staying power. Staying until it's finished even if it doesn't look good. I support Hillary because I think she's best qualified to be president. But, I have to consider that on a deeper level, women are much stronger than men.

The way it has always been done is the man's way. The easy way...a few states vote and you're done. No one wants to push it to the end if they aren't on top. This is what men do, when the going gets tough...they leave. It's a statistical fact that men leave their families by huge percentages over women, which is actually rare. They leave their wives, their children and their responsibilities. A woman can have three kids, no home, no job, but she'll be there as long as she can stand. The irony is that having that kind of leadership in the white house would be the only real change we can hope for.

[dionysus]

9. thats an incredibly sexist post...

[RichGirl]

17. It's a fact.

If I say that women have vaginas...is that sexist????? If I said that Obama can carry more books than Hillary, would that be sexist? And maybe ageist too??? You're need to criticize anything Hillary has gone on over-drive and is totally ridiculous!

Go to any shelter in any city and you'll see WOMEN and children. It is not sexist to point that out.

[cali]

21. There's a dearth of logic in your "reasoning"

Vaginas are a physical characteristic exclusive to females- and a few hermaphrodites. Character is another story. It's simply foolish to claim that women are stronger character wise than men, and yes, it's sexist.

[TahitiNut]

25. The inability to distinguish between opinion and fact seems to be the hallmark of Clinton sycophants

:shrug:

It often appears that sycophants are related to elephants.

[dionysus]

27. no, it's an opinion and an incredibly stupid one. don't change the topic with that shelter shit...

you know that's not what we're talking about...

[ShortnFiery]

10. Yeah, rules don't apply when your last name is "Clinton."

The Clintons are political royalty, as such, they get to change the rules and CHEAT their way to the Nomination. :grr: :nuke:

[JBoy]

13. What sexist horseshit!

[babylonsister]

15. Does RichGirl need a whaaambulance? You sound bitter. Have

some 'men' issues? That's too bad. Also sad the female candidate couldn't cut the mustard with the majority of voters. Better luck next time.

[RichGirl]

19. I don't have men issues.

In fact, I have a wonderful relationship primarily because we are equal, but different.

This is not just about Hillary. Our whole country is a disaster area. It has been run almost exclusively by men. Only 14% of our government is women. Can you remove yourself from your Obama worship for just five minutes to consider that maybe we have been way, way out of balance for many, many years??? I don't think you can....

[babylonsister]

23. It has nothing to do with Obama worship and everything to do

with Clinton, the name Clinton, the dynasty, issues of likeability, electability, trust. She FAILS at all of them.
Just because she's a woman and a Clinton is no reason to vote for her. And guess what? I won't.

Judging from the map, I'm not alone.

[cali]

24. I don't vote for penises or vaginas. I vote for the individual.

There's not, for example, a woman politician that I can think of in my state who I'd vote for over Bernie or Pat. On the other hand, I strongly back a woman running for gov't, because she's better than the men running.

[TwilightGardener]

16. Further proof that Hillary supporters tend to have some serious psychological issues.

[RichGirl]

20. LOLOLOL!!!

Obama supporters have maturity problems.

[cali]

22. your post reveals an ignorance of past dem primaries.

In 1980, for example, Ted Kennedy took his campaign all the way to the convention despite being waaay behind in delegates and running against a sitting dem president. And you make waay too much of a distinction on silly premises between men and women.

[bvar22]

29. Yes!!! EVERYBODY should have stayed in!

Wouldn't that be a wonderful use of Democratic Party resources.
Imagine if nobody dropped out just because they were no longer a viable candidate for the nomination!

The Primary process IS a culling process.
Hillary was culled after Wisconsin, but nobody had the balls to tell her.
(Look what the Hillary campaign did to Richardson).



She has NOT been a viable candidate since Wisconsin, and now she is only helping Republicans.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[saltpoint]

31. A deeply loyal Kerry Democrat here.

I listened very carefully to what John Kerry had to say about the Vietnam War and watched the shit he had to shovel just to tell the truth, and from that very early hour knew he was the real deal.

I also believe the Kerry/Edwards ticket defated the Bush/Cheney ticket in Ohio, and with that victory would have come the election.

Dean? Love him. I would have begged him to take the Chair's position had he not decided to go for it. His 50-state strategy and the new registrations he and Obama have inspired have been a huge gift to many down-ballot Dems.

[Taxmyth]

5. For the benefit of Barack Hussein Obama:

The game's isn't over until it's over.

YOGI BERRA

[dionysus]

11. except this time, it really is over. hillary lost.... learn to adjust...

[Taxmyth]

18. That's an inning, not the game

Learn the rules.

[dionysus]

26. thats funny... she won't have the votes or delegates... she has already lost... learn to adjust...

[saltpoint]

32. That's technically true but not pragmatically real.

He outflanked her.

It's all over 'cept the shoutin'.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Dear Clintons, Don't go away mad ... just GO AWAY! eom

[BigDDem]

28. Dear ShortnFiery,

Dont go away mad, just GO AWAY (again.)

Sincerely,
Me

[bigtree]

12. you mean for YOUR OWN benefit

what bullshit.

[saltpoint]

34. No, not for my benefit. I stand for one lone vote in the process

and make no further numeric claims.

But I believe that Obama ran the far superior campaign and that he has defeated Sen. Clinton.

[Phillycat]

14. Because it would be a lot better if Obama was losing these primaries to a ghost.

Man, it's like some of you don't understand politics at all.

Oh, wait.

[saltpoint]

36. Obama's campaign set a trajectory from pre-2007 into the end of the

caucus and primary calendar in 2008.

Senator Clinton failed to do this. Not out of stupidity, but out of arrogance

It cost her Iowa, as Obama and Edwards defeated her there, and this after she negotiated the withdrawal of Evan Bayh and Tom Vilsack.

She is not a ghost. But she is not going to be the nominee.

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