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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:14 PM
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Hillary Clinton Sending a Clear Message in West Virginia
Edited on Mon May-12-08 10:19 PM by bigtree




CLEAR FORK, W.Va. -- To those who suggest that she is simply biding her time until a graceful exit, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton had a message Monday: She is still running, and still arguing that she will be a stronger general election candidate than Sen. Barack Obama. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/12/cli... )

"It's a fact that Democrats don't get elected unless West Virginia votes for you," Clinton said here, deep in a rural southern pocket of the state. "West Virginia has picked presidents pretty accurately. ... I am here today because I know what's really going to matter tomorrow: It's the votes of the people of West Virginia."

Clinton is expected to win West Virginia by a wide margin Tuesday, the sixth-to-last primary state. But she will still likely trail in pledged delegates and superdelegates, reducing her odds of winning the nomination, in the words of one of her own senior officials, to about 2 percent.

She made the electability argument, too, suggesting that she -- and thus, logically, not Obama -- would be able to win West Virginia in the general election. And as she traveled across the state, she found her message echoed by supporters who turned out to greet her. At Biscuit World, a diner in Charleston, one ardent 90-year-old Clinton supporter said she would not support Obama in the general election, and doubted he could beat McCain. "No, I won't, I'll just be honest about it," said Evelyn Keener, when asked if she would vote for the Democratic nominee if it is not Clinton. Keener's adult granddaughter, Cynthia Taylor, said the same. "It's Hillary all the way, or no way," Taylor said.




Sen. Hillary Clinton greets a supporter during a campaign rally in Logan, W.Va., Monday, May 12




Hillary Clinton found dozens of supporters, and at least one of her rival's, as she started her Primary Eve Day with a stop at a local Biscuit World. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/12/10120... )

"We gotta get everybody out, gotta get everybody out," she said as she posed for a picture with a group of women.

One told her the weather forecast looked good. "Yup, let's make it happen, Clinton replied. "Get everybody out, it'll be a good day."

"I keep telling people, no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia."







As she sat in a booth signing a book, another woman said she hoped she woud "go all the way."

"We're gonna keep going as long as we have people like you helping us," Clinton said.

A gaggle of onlookers, photographers and reporters watched as Clinton made the rounds. Shes so petite! one woman exclaimed, as Clinton made her entrance. No Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia, Clinton said as she shook hands and thanked some volunteers who had been tipped off to her visit. (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/12/clinton-mixes-... )








"Oh, I didn't want to do this," Smith said, embarrassed, wearing an Obama T-shirt as Clinton walked into the restaurant. "I didn't know she was going to be here." (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gyXVIfZ2F2CTuuxH3_93... )

Smith, who lives in nearby Institute, said she liked Clinton but prefers Obama.

"We've got to get the Republicans out of there," she said.

As Clinton left the building, Smith stepped up to shake her hand. She told the candidate that getting a Democrat in office was her priority.

"It's been too long since we have," Clinton agreed, touching Smith's shoulder gently, and smiling.





Supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton listen during a campaign rally in Logan, W.Va. Monday, May 12



Mort Victorson, 84, of Charleston has voted in every election since he started voting at age 21. Today, Victorson, along with his wife, Debbie donned Sen. Hillary Clinton stickers during her stop at Tudor's Biscuit World on Washington Street in Charleston.

It would be one three stops Clinton would make in the Mountain State today.

"I don't know her personally, but I like everything she stands for," Victorson said.

Debbie will also vote for Clinton on Tuesday. "I think she will live very large here," she said.









It was West Virginia that made it possible for John Kennedy to become president, Clinton said at Clear Fork. Now, John Kennedy didnt have the number of delegates he needed when he went to the convention in 1960. He had something equally as important he had West Virginia behind him, because its a fact that Democrats dont get elected president unless West Virginia votes for you (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/12/clinton... /)

Clinton added that West Virginia proportionately has more veterans, more people who have served in the conflicts and in the armed forces of the United States.

It is the hard-working, dedicated people of West Virginia who have really made America what it has been, and what it will be again.









LOGAN, W.V. -- "Democrats don't get elected president unless West Virginia votes for you," said Clinton, 60, whose motorcade crept through fog-shrouded mountain switchbacks in a soaking rain to reach this mining town.

"It was West Virginia that made it possible for John Kennedy to become president," Clinton told 400 supporters at a local high school. "John Kennedy didn't have the number of delegates he needed when he went to the convention in 1960; he had something equally as important -- he had West Virginia behind him."

. . . like a football player seeking refuge between the white lines, Clinton seems to be having more fun these days than during more measured, sedate and pressure-packed appearances as the front runner. And the working-class crowds in the mill and mining towns were genuinely delighted by her decision to adopt them as her own -- and with her unrestrained attacks on oil companies, Chinese toy manufacturers and Wall Street money.









Stumping all day in the state, Clinton pressed her case on why she's best suited to be the party's nominee, despite trailing Obama in pledged delegates, states won, the popular vote and party superdelegate commitments, and while running a campaign that's millions of dollars in debt.

"The goal is to nominate someone who can beat John McCain in November," Clinton told a crowd in a packed middle-school gymnasium. "I wouldn't be in this race, I wouldn't be going up and down West Virginia ... I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't believe I could be the best president for West Virginia and America."

With the clock ticking, Hillary Clinton told an enthusiastic crowd here that tomorrows primary could be a crucial turning point in the presidential election, as she continued to play up the states significance for Democrats chances in the fall. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/12/10129... )







West Virginia is a real indicator of which way the political winds are going to blow come the November election, Clinton said. This election weve had, this primary contest has been close and exciting -- the closest one anybody can remember. But the goal is to nominate someone who can beat John McCain in November. Thats what weve got to do.

I dont need a guided tour of the White House, she said. I know my way around, and I know we gotta get to work immediately, because were not gonna have a lot of time.

Clinton also emphasized the economy in an area where people understand what hard work means, she said. She claimed President Bushs policy was simply trickle-down economics, and that most people feel like theyve been trickled on for seven years and didnt get much of it.

As I was coming here shaking hands, a man handed me a check and said. You keep fighting, this will help, she said. And I know that if I have your help tomorrow, we will send a very clear message.








Hillary Clinton wrote in an op-ed for The Charleston Gazette, Sunday: http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/Op-EdCommentaries/2008...


I was raised to believe in the promise of America. My grandfather was a factory worker, and my father served in the Navy and started a small business. My mother had a difficult childhood, but provided a loving home for our family and while she never got to attend college, she was determined that her children would. I have had every opportunity in life because of their hard work and sacrifice.

I carry with me not just their dreams, but the dreams of people like them all across our country: people who embrace hard work and opportunity, who never waver in the face of adversity, and who work day and night to make a better life for your children.

For the past seven years, I know so many of you have felt invisible to our president - holding your breath at the gas pump and the grocery checkout line; wondering what you'll do when health insurance disappears when a job does; seeing your loved ones who served our country in war ill-served when they return home.

I am running for president to stand for you and fight for your dreams and your future. I am running to give every child and every family the same opportunities and blessings that I had.

With two wars abroad and an economic crisis here at home, the stakes are higher than ever before. We need a president who knows how to make this economy work for middle-class families again and who is ready on day one to be commander in chief and keep our families safe. If you give me the chance, I will be that president.

Accomplishing all of this won't be easy. But if there is one thing you know about me, it's this: I don't back down from a challenge. I'll be there for you long after the speeches are over and the cameras are gone, and I will never stop listening to your voices and standing for your families.

We know the stakes in this election are high and the challenges great. But we also know the possibilities are endless with the right leadership. It is up to us to roll up our sleeves, start solving our toughest problems, and start delivering on the promise of this great nation that we love.





Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks during a campaign event in Eleanor, W. Va. Sunday, May 11

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:19 PM
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1. On to the VICTORY NOMINATION, then the WH.
HRC is the ONLY ONE!!!
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:21 PM
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4. Yeah...keep saying that! LOL nt
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. YOU LOL NOW; YOU'LL be crying later!
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. LOL too. nt
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #12
85. Hillary: "I don't need a guided tour of the White House." Neither does Monica. Point??
Monica 2012..."I don't need a guided tour of the White House...either"
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #85
117. childish and disgusting comment
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #117
127. I agree. 'I don't need a guided tour of the White House'..disgusting..
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:01 PM by polpilot
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #127
161. She is correct. and you chose to diss this truth? what a sad being you are.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #85
120. You are OBSESSED with Bill Clinton's penis. Just the RW is/was.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #120
128. It's Bill's legacy. Obama's WILL be different. Dignified...not Hillbillyish.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #128
154. The RW keeps repeating this crap. You are just like them.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. Mmmmhmmmmm...yeah....you will be the one crying on May 20th. nt
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #18
57. In that case, you will be the one crying on November 5th
Since Obama cannot win the General.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #57
64. Yeah and Hill thought he could not kick her ass in the primary but he did! PLEASE underestimate him!
It will make the victory only sweeter.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #64
89. You mean like in PA?
Or CA, or TX or AZ or NM or NY or MA or NJ or MI or NH or RI or OK or the "swing states" OH or TN or NM or AR or FL or NV?
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #89
94. no..like in the U.S.A. Obama-Winner Clinton-Loser... It WAS a NATIONAL contest.
Winner take all?
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Weevlitz Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #89
113. Gotta love it when...
the amount of states you rattle off...and I'll even let you keep FL, and MI in there...but it's funny to me when it's less than HALF of the country...not trying to start a fight with you...I'm just saying, if I did what you did...Obama's list would be considerably longer.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #57
92. If he doesn't win ,
the country will lose.

Many will cry.
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
187. Wow
YOU LOL NOW; YOU'LL be crying later! Quote - Double T


If she somehow steals this nomination from the rightful winner Barack Obama then we will all be crying later with the rest of the world.


It appalls me how Clinton and her supporters know the only way they can win is to have the super delegates over turn the will of the majority of voters....and they are ok with that.


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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Sad
really, just sad
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. what's sad is your pathetic need to step on the expression of that supporter
. . . with your fake concern.

really, just sad
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:18 AM
Response to Reply #16
49. Amen
But then, what else would you expect from an Obama cult member?
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #49
77. Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA Hillary taking advantage of the math challenged...'On to the WH' WTF??
Sad sums up those pics. Plain, simple sad. She lost. What is the ???. Did the poster think in January 2008 that the WV vote was going to decide the nominee??
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #5
121. Yes, you are indeed pathetic and sad.--when you dump on a positive post.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
26. Here ...these should help ya out.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
67. Woo-Hoo! Go, West Virginia! Go, go, go for Hillary! nt
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
68. dupe- self-delete
Edited on Tue May-13-08 07:51 AM by libbygurl
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:43 AM
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78. Yeeeeaaaarrrrgggghhhh!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
143. Oh, my. n/t
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:20 PM
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2. Thanks bigtree!
:kick:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:10 PM
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131. Unfortunately, they forgot to include *THIS* picture, shot in the same room as one they did include.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:18 PM by Tesha
Unfortunately, they forgot to include *THIS* picture, shot in the same
room as one they did include:



Here's the picture that did get included. Nice, Gawd-fearin'
people, ain't they?



Tesha

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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #131
135. Why would bigtree re-post what has already been
all over the pages of DU? These people have their beliefs, right or wrong they are their beliefs. Much like Rev. Wright's beliefs that were so vehemently defended here on DU.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #135
138. Full, honest disclosure? (NT)
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. Like HONEST disclosure about Wright?
Remember, he said he didn't hear it, couldn't disown him, then he did hear it and did disown him?

Disclosure is all well and good when it applies to anything Clinton but, disclosure is 'distracting from the issues' or 'racist' when it comes to anything Obama.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #140
147. Full disclosure is good for everyone on both sides.
And no one here has been shy about driving home the
Wright point, have they? It's not like that job has
been going unfilled here at DU.

Tesha
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #131
141. couldn't get enough of the hate in the locked thread?
you should be ashamed to promote those idiots by posting these over and over.

I don't expect you've even considered that idiots like thse don't get anywhere until someone takes their bait and spreads their nonsense all over in the name of some righteousness. You need to give it a rest. It's not like we can't fill a page with images from both candidate's rallies. I remember 'iron my shirt', 'bros before hos' . . . Just stop it.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #141
146. I'm sorry, but "these idiots" seem to be the heart and soul of the WVa Clinton campaign.
As such, I think they need all the exposure we can give them.

Tesha
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #146
150. I don't think you're 'sorry'
. . . for promoting this new divisiveness. It's amazing that you believe you can credibly judge millions of voters behind the bias you have for your candidate.

All you are succeeding in doing is defining your divisive self,
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #150
177. As you wish. And you may keep supporting the candidate supported by these yahoos. (NT)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #177
189. there are (apparently) plenty of 'yahoos' to go around
You're damn right, 'as I wish'. Arrogant bullshit.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:21 PM
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3. not trying to be mean.....
but that photo of the older people with the stickers CRACKS ME UP.....
and the banner in the background says "Hillary Rocks"!!! That's funny!!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Yikes, where'd you get that pic of O??? I HAVE to have it....nt
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. here's the full image...


enjoy!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #23
52. As IF!
What a PUNK! Now answer the questions Truthfully BO...repeat, Truthfully...
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. As if? what?
as if your reply made any sense?
what is it you're trying to say?

and you don't even want to start posting "bad" photos----there are plenty to choose from of your candidate. but that would be childish of me.....
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #59
82. Wow, I have to admit, that's a bad one. First bad one though. Thanks
for the pic - I love it.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. UMMMM... Oh lord thats it?
Hillarys down to "WV is important?" what happened to the BIG STATE STRATEGY. I liked her better when she was offering statehood and a pony to GUAM.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
30. She has to prove to the electorate
that she can win a state with a direction in front of it.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
15. That's like "With all due respect"
Then come the insults.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. sorry, that really wasn't supposed to be an insult..
c'mon admit it, didn't you just get a little giggle out of that photo? the man kinda looks like my dad---but I'm pretty sure my mom wouldn't let him put a sticker on his forehead ... even though she IS a Hillary supporter....
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #24
60. Even I got that it wasn't an insult.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 06:56 AM by Jamastiene
I thought the sticker to the forehead picture was adorable. :)
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #3
69. I laffed at that, too! Real Hill supporters there! What a hoot!
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #69
71. thank you
for not taking that as some sort of insult!! I thought that was really funny! I had to send it to my mom, I'm sure she laughed about it too...
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Galway girl Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #3
115. The Old Folk really love Hillary it has to be said.
The Irish love her too.
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Ice-9 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:33 PM
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9. Nice pics . . . .
. . . . from an Obama supporter to a Clinton supporter. I especially like the one where she is greeting the young lady with the Obama shirt. I read the story on that photo and thought the cordial encounter reflected well on both sides. I also think the photo of the old guy with the sticker on his forehead is pretty neat.

:D
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:34 PM
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10. I'm sorry, but the gym security is asking you to leave...
The game's over, the crowd has left and people want to go home. You're still shooting foul shots that don't matter now. The security people are going to ask you to leave the gym now. Go home.

:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. not in West Virginia. Hillary Clinton ROCKS there.
go play somewhere else.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #13
70. She SURE DOES! Go, West Va! Go, Hillary! nt
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #13
99. Ignore him.
He's so sour that he's not worth arguing with, he always craps on anything positive about Hillary.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:36 PM
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11. OMg!!1!!1 ... Brainwashed CULTISTS!!!!11!!1!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:59 PM
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29. Pod people?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:15 PM
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33. "Please save us from that scary black man Ms. Hillary"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:39 AM
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40. why are you labeling these folks as racists?
with your racist language?
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #40
103. It's all they have. They can't believe that Mr. Wonderful would
lose a vote except for the racism of the voter.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:39 AM
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112. Looks like all many BHO fans have is school-yard bully tactics!!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:46 AM
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56. My alert button has been broken for 2 months, so
I'll just tell you to go fuck yourself directly. :thumbsdown:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:30 AM
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73. Damn, I never got to see what deleted said.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:06 PM
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134. Shit and fall back in it, Manson? n/t
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:06 PM by Jamastiene
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:22 AM
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63. Deleted message
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:37 AM
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75. That was uncalled for and wrong, and you know it.
I'm white and I support Hillary so in YOUR mind I am a racist.

Nice, really nice.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:40 AM
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76. I don't think that at all
The people in this picture though? I'm suspicious of them.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:44 AM
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79. And what makes you suspicious- All that pict shows is that they are white and they are for Hillary
Edited on Tue May-13-08 08:45 AM by Marrah_G
What you have just said defines Predjudice. You looked at a picture and defined them, simply because of skin color. You know nothing about them. You pre-judged them based on race.

It happens far to often in this country and it is very wrong. People here at DU should know better.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. Ok, how about I was joking?
Although I remain paranoid of anyone who will put a big blue sticker on their forehead.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:05 AM
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84. It wasn't funny
Especially when everyday Hillary supporters are being called racists here. Our nerves are a bit frayed.

As for the sticker on his forhead, just wait- You will see plenty of weird and funky signs, stickers, hats, etc etc at the convention and beyond with a good chance of them having Obama's name on them.
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:21 AM
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104. You weren't joking. n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:59 AM
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122. Wow, just like that you know my soul
Would you email me and tell me about it? I've been searching it all my life.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:33 PM
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137. Obviously, you have not been looking in the right place then.
Your snap judgment of fellow Democrats based solely on the color of their skin really proves that. Hint: Go look in the mirror, for starters.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:22 PM
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136. You sound paranoid, for sure.
Seems you've been asked to explain why you are hurting true civil rights efforts in this country with your cries of wolf...and cries of wolf WILL hurt civil rights, for the record. Not to mention the fact that you took it upon yourself to shit on a perfectly classy thread... Now, you claim it was a joke? Lame. :thumbsdown:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:38 PM
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14. I would NEVER eat in that restaurant. Did you see the size
of the roaches on that wall?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:42 PM
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17. Ummm...WV is a red state...they "pick" Republicans...
Edited on Mon May-12-08 10:42 PM by MercutioATC
"West Virginia has picked presidents pretty accurately..."

Yep, and that's what we're trying to change...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:45 PM
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20. NO DEMOCRAT HAS WON THE PRESIDENCY WITHOUT WINNING WEST VIRGINIA
. . . that's not something we're trying to change
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:06 PM
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31. What about the ones elected prior to 1863?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:40 AM
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41. ha!
got me.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:10 AM
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47. Huh?
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:24 AM
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50. So you are saying Bill Clinton would have lost without W.V.
Sorry, your argument is weak. It is one thing saying W.V. has been on the same side as the winner but to say no Democrat has won the presidency without W.V. is a specious argument at best.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:43 PM
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19. Thank you.
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:46 PM
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22. you
are very welcome, emilyg
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:46 PM
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21. K&R for this nice post for Hillary and her supporters. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:50 AM
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116. Thank you.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:56 PM
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25. LMFAO
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:58 PM
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27. heh
. . . for sure
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RareLubbockDem Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:59 PM
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28. Even this lady can't help but laugh, and she's face to face with her
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dascientist Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:01 AM
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39. PING!!!
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:30 AM
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51. Countess Hillary looks like she wants to bite her neck. n/t
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:50 AM
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58. Maybe you should have read the story that went along with that pic
Then you wouldn't have come off as such an ignoramus. Just a little friendly advice there.
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RareLubbockDem Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:19 PM
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133. Went back and read it
I don't see what you're talking about, although I wouldn't call you a name for your interpretation. It's not what I see as "friendly." But thanks anyway!
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:11 PM
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32. It must be wonderful
to invent a new reality for yourself every day, and believe in it so competely.

Tonight I saw a Hillary ad here in WA proclaiming her as the anti-war candidate.

What can anyone say in the face of such mindblowing gall?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:27 PM
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34. She has an Ego that knows no bounds

It would be sad if it weren't so pathetic.

The depth of denial is simply amazing.





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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:31 PM
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35. I really do admire her tenaciousity
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:33 PM
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36. Lets just hope the divisiveness doesn't destroy the core party.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:41 AM
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42. unity is a two-way street
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:48 AM
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45. It is also a Lutheran Church in Bel Nor Missouri
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #42
101. There are more Hillary supporters
claiming they won't vote for Obama at all. There is also that interesting poll that found that 59% of AA voters want Hillary as the VP.
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amelia Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:45 PM
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37. K&R
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:50 PM
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38. Okay-
The old dude with the sticker on his forehead is hilarious!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:42 AM
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43. message: older white voters of modest means LOVE ME!
message received. the rest of the country would just as soon say "BUH-bye".
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:45 AM
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44. I think they represent the majority of the most dependable voters
certainly not a good idea to be at odds with them (and I don't mean the DU portrait of them)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:10 AM
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46. Thank you!!!
Your posts are always like a breath of fresh air.

Take care!!!!!

:hi:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:14 AM
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48. The primaty is over. Hillary lost. Get over it.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:04 AM
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61. Hillary is making an ASS out of herself in
route to destroying the Democratic Party.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:17 AM
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124. get over yourself
Her rival hasn't won the nomination yet. He says so himself.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:38 AM
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53. Bigtree start working on the pro Obama stuff. McCain has to be beaten.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:42 AM
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54. GO MAMA!!!
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum!
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:44 AM
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55. Great post! You gotta love the way she fights!
That quality alone would make her a great President.

And this is worthy of repeating, to those (you know who you are, so I'll refrain from calling you any names) who want to just write off West Virginia:

No Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia,


And since Obama doesn't have a fighting chance there, he too can kiss the presidency goodbye.

Which is why we must nominate Hillary.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:49 AM
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66. She has incredible stores of stamina!
While B0 keeps whining about getting exhausted by this campaign - how can he handle the rigours of the presidency if he can't even keep up with a 61-year-old woman on the campaign trail? - Hillary keeps chugging on, and looks very good every time. She will GET THINGS DONE!
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:20 AM
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88. That she has!
Any arguments over policy aside, she's an amazing woman. :hug:
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:04 AM
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62. thanks for the post, Bigtree
lots of great pics and a very uplifting post. :hi:





Too bad it has to get shit on for no fucking reason.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:47 AM
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65. Thanks for another beautiful post, bigtree! I was at the Eleanor rally May 11.
She's an amazing woman to behold in person. All doubts disappear when you get up close to her. She has a powerful magnetism, charisma, she glows, yet is very approachable. She seemed really comfortable in these appearances, and the audiences really love her. Chelsea is the same - no arrogance at all. Very intelligent mom and daughter.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:13 AM
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72. Oh I hear her dogwhistle loud and clear...
Obama makes me want to celebrate this country, Hillary makes me sick of it.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:32 AM
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74. Hillary is the Queen of WV!! Yipee!!
Obama is the next President of the Untied States! :toast:

Math FTW Hillbots. :D
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:46 AM
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80. Hillary's Last Stand!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:58 AM
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83. K&R - Fabulous, thank you! n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:10 AM
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86. West Virgina`s moment in the sun
and as soon as they leave the people will go back to being used,abused,and ignored. the best and the brightest children will move away to seek their future else where the rest will go into mother earth or drive the machines that destroys their mountains. they will used up like the tools of their trade and live the rest of their lives struggling to make sense of that has happened to them...

that`s the way it has been and always will be until the last ounce of coal is mined in West Virgina
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:15 AM
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87. "I dont need a guided tour of the White House,
I guess somehow that's really important, but I can't figure out how.

Keep trying to build that bridge back to the 20th century, Hillary, we are movin' on.

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gabby garcia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:23 AM
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90. "sumpin'"
Hillary pulling out her fake accents again...

:puke:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:25 AM
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91. Better than Obama's fake KY accent..
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gabby garcia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:38 AM
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95. uh - that would be Hillary again.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:27 AM
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93. Thanks, Big Tree for the great centerfold...


GO HILLARY!
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:41 AM
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96. God, I can't wait till she's gone.
Enough with the constant finger pointing already. It's fucking obnoxious. Go Hillary! Point the blame somewhere else, your a natural!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:53 AM
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119. I simple Thank you to Bigtree would have shown you had some class.
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chitty Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:43 AM
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97. Cackle Up!!!!!!!!!!


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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:56 AM
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167. You can see Hillary's fangs in that pic of her. What a monster. n/t
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:46 AM
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98. Nice to see she cares about the little states now.
Hmmmmm, anybody notice that Mark Penn is one?
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:50 AM
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100. Sad Post
Truly sad to see the looks of worship on those elderly faces.

You don't see it? The way they are praying to Hillary?

It's obscene.

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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:24 AM
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106. See it all the time in the faces of Obama worshippers. It that obscene
also, or do you make exceptions for them?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:35 AM
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110. Bigtree has posted lots of similar posts about Obama. This is his tranks from you!!
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:30 AM
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125. IGNORED
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:11 AM
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102. America can do without the anger and fear-mongering.
From this person:




Vote for peace. Vote for change. Vote for Obama.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:21 AM
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105. Thanks, bigtree. I always look forward to your posts.
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:26 AM
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107. Thanks for the thread, bigtree. Hillary is inspiring and today will
be her day. Don't let anyone crap on it, or you!
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:28 AM
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108. K & R!
:kick:

DemEx
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:33 AM
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109. *****The ugly behavior of some obama fans on a Positive post is beyond the pale!!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:39 AM
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111. Thanks Bigtree...
Here is Hillary, kicking Obama's ass in WV, KY - but he's the presumptive nominee. Go figure!!

K&R
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:42 AM
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114. Thank you bigtree
:thumbsup:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:52 AM
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118. I'm sorry, but the only "clear message" I've gotten from her in West Virginia is:
If you're white, vote for me, cause I'm white. White people are hard working. The others, not so much. You know what I'm talking about. (Nod, Wink)

It's the REPUBLICAN political strategy of the 60s/70s. It's not new or inventive. But still just as shameful - especially coming from a Democrat.

She's EXPLOITING a racial divide in this country.

Is it bad for Barack Obama come the general? Yeah. It is. You are confirming to racists that it's ok NOT to vote for a black guy just because he's black. Since when is that a Democratic principal?

Is it bad for Democrats? Yeah. It is. You don't think African Americans are paying attention to the shit that she says? You don't think they are upset that a Democratic candidate would say such things? You don't think this could effect their long term loyalty to the party? You don't think that even if somehow Hillary manages to do the impossible and get the nomination that this will SEAL THE DEAL on African Americans sitting this election out?

Is it bad for the Nation? Yeah. It is. It is systematically chipping away at all the progress we have made since the civil rights movement. It's telling RACIST IDIOTS that it's OK to think that way. It's NOT. PERIOD.

It makes me SO SO SO sad that she would employ this strategy. Especially NOW at such a crucial juncture in our history AND now that it is a near CERTAINTY that Obama's the nominee.

What really disturbs me more is that so many of her supporters still defend that kind of rhetoric. How can you do that? It honestly makes me feel BETRAYED. BETRAYED by my fellow democrats who, I THOUGHT I stood shoulder to shoulder with against intolerance - no matter which candidate we choose. How can you hear these things and not be outraged? Not ask them to change their message or tone?

Lastly, it's NOT good for Hillary either. Hillary and her supporters biggest problem all along is the ability to hear criticism, listen objectively and adjust. Instead they view any critics as enemies and automatically write off their opinion as invalid. They're not the enemy. They're just the messenger! And you've got a pile of dead ones at your door step.

You are getting a MAJOR backlash against this kind of talk. And not just from Obama supporters. Not just from the media. Not just from VOTERS. But now also from DELEGATES. Just today Jack Johnson of Maryland, a PLEDGED delegate to Hillary (NOT superdelegate - PLEDGED delegate), said he was switching sides. Jack Johnson is a black law-maker. You don't think her rhetoric had any effect on his decision? You don't think it cuts her black delegates and superdelegates to the core? The ones that have stayed loyal to her in the face of pressure from the black community and in many cases their own constituents who have by large majorities voted for Barack? If you were a black person in this country would YOU be able to stand up and continue fighting for her after she said such things? Why should they? Why should I? Why should you?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:13 AM
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123. all that ignores what she actually said
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:15 AM by bigtree
she claims to have a BROAD coalition of support and she says Obama lacks the same amount of support of the working-class whites. That means that she recognizes that support includes black voters and others. Big deal. Anyone can pull these statements on race out of context. I didn't hear a peep when the Obama camp and supporters talked about the wide margin of black voter support for Obama and pointed to the fact that she trails him with those voters.

But, I understand that exploiting the racial argument in favor of your candidate works for you. Good luck with that.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:06 PM
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130. I am exploiting a racial argument? Seriously?! You exasperate me to the point of tears.
This honestly has nothing to do with me supporting "my candidate". Obama was never my first choice. After John Edwards left, I even supported Hillary. I'm not beholden to Barack or anyone.

I, as a human being and a progressive Democrat, have a problem with some of her statements. If I don't express my disappointment with the statements I feel I am not standing up for what's right. If I do express my disappointment with the statements, I get accused of exploiting race.

Even when I WAS a Clinton supporter, anytime I expressed disappointment with the nastiness and negativity, I've was essentially told to STFU. I'm accused of exploiting race if I say that I take offense at Hillary's racially charged comments. It's circular logic and the old neo-con tactic of blaming the enemy for your own sins. It's maddening and shows no respect for people who have differences of opinion. You are either beaten into submission or forced to leave. I WILL NEVER submit to the use of racial tactics. I WILL NEVER submit to damaging the party. I was FORCED to end my support of her.

I just don't understand why the Clinton campaign and their supporters have such a difficult time accepting criticism and adjusting. You guys assume that just because someone is being critical of a message or tactic that they are the ENEMY. Wrong. They are just letting you know that your message isn't coming off well to the public. You are at least being PERCEIVED as racist or ruthless or whatever. All it would take is a slight tweak in message or tone for her to come off much better and increase her appeal. But repeatedly you just shoot the messenger and turn up the volume.

I have repeatedly expressed my respect for you, bigtree. I've never spoken to you in a nasty way. I've commended you on good posts from both candidates' perspectives. But whatever. Accuse me of exploiting race because I express when I find a politician's statments racially inflammatory. Accuse me of being a sexist or a homophobe. Get mean when we have a difference of opinion. Shoot the messenger. Silence the opposition. Whatever you need to do. I give up.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #130
145. yep, you're just politicking for Barack Obama, exploiting the issue of race to elevate him
. . . as far as I can see. That may be offensive to you, but it seems you want to drop your race bomb on the Clinton campaign, and by extension, her supporters as if there can't be a disagreement of interpretation of her statements. I'm not going to allow myself to be defined by what you believe, no matter how you may regard me personally.

I sincerely see the rhetoric over Clinton's statements as overblown and opportunistic to the Obama campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #118
155. and obama is exploiting the Black vote.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:40 AM
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126. K&R
:-)
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:05 PM
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129. Wow, if I didn't know better, I'd have thought this post was a parody.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:06 PM by ResetButton
Yikes!
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:27 PM
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132. West Vrginia put an admitted KLANSMAN in the Senate
Now I don't hate Robert Byrd, and I don't want to make this a thread about Robert Byrd. As a matter of fact, Robert Byrd has been far more of a Democrat than Hillary has been, where it really counts this decade.

But the fact is that he admitted to being a member of a hate group in the past, and was elected in that state anyway.

So excuse me if I don't trust the judgment of West Virginia to tell me who can win an election.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:37 PM
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139. Damn, save all the energy you just wasted making that post for the GE
it's over, time to move on. Please.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #139
142. why aren't you spending your own time promoting your candidate
Edited on Tue May-13-08 08:03 PM by bigtree
instead of trashing mine and trashing my support for her? I've promoted him here . . .

Barack Obama Writing a New Chapter in American History in Oregon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Barack Obama Running in Oregon to Change Washington
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #142
149. I'm not trashing your support of her, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
Looking back the way I wrote that post was kind of dickish, I shouldn't have wrote it that way; my apologies to you for that.

But I do strongly believe it is time to move on. You had every right to support Hillary during the primary, all I'm saying is it's time to admitt that this primary is now over and move on to the general election so we can destroy McCain and take out a few of his right wing buddies in the house and senate. The sooner we stop talking about Hillary staying in this race the sooner we can start concentrating on that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #149
153. It's only a couple of weeks
why not give it a rest and let her supporters take in the remainder of the race as they please? Leaving them be would be the best course if you expect them to let go and come on board, if Obama wins.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:00 PM
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144. As the votes begin to roll in tonight, we can see that message was extremely well received.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:25 AM
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148. Enjoy it while it lasts and buy your party supplies for KY next week.
After that you won't have anything to celebrate until Obama's inauguration.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #148
151. It's amazing how you use his potential nomination as a bludgeon
. . . against those who supported his rival.

How delusional to imagine you can win the general election without those supporters as you toss out your insults and ridicule.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #151
156. I hate to break it to you but Hillary needed to win by a larger
margin of victory in WV than she did. She needed 75% of the votes in WV. Not only that but she needed to win every primary left by 75% to catch Obama in pledged delegates. Since she didn't get that 75% in WV she now has to win the remaining primaries by more than 75%.

So like I said, do all the celebrating you want but you're only fooling yourself. Hillary is going to the convention in second place in the pledged delegate race. That's not an insult it's a fact.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:43 AM
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159. fooling myself how?
you can't read my mind, nor do you know ANYTHING about the reasons for my support. All you're doing is substituting what I believe with your own biased ridicule.

There is only one reality in this race relevant to it's continuing. Neither candidate has achieved enough delegates to win the nomination by votes alone. Obama acknowledges that.

And I'll celebrate when I damn well please. I don't need any advice on that from some anonymous poster dishing out ridicule. You people are amazing in how you speak to total strangers like you're some authority figure in their lives. Why don't you concentrate on how you conduct yourself and leave the decisions about my own conduct to me.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:12 AM
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152. "Yup, let's make it happen, Clinton replied. AND SHE AND THE VOTERS MADE IT HAPPEN!!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #152
158. What exactly did they make happen?
A measly gain of about ten delegates, which does not change the overall dynamics of the race.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #158
163. your sour grapes!!--that is what they made happen. Get some sunshine.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:36 AM
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157. Why are you even posting stuff about her? Why can't you promote our presumptive nominee instead?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #157
160. who the are you to tell me what to do?
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:16 PM by bigtree
Is this post of yours 'promoting' your candidate? It looks like nothing more than shitstirring.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:49 AM
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162. I am anxious to get on with the general election campaign.
And this stuff about Hillary is a waste of time. We need to get on with Obama. And BTW, I'm not telling you what to do. I merely asked you a question. I wanted to know why you are still promoting Hillary when she has already lost. And after all, this is an Internet message board. If I can't ask someone a question on here then what can I do?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #162
164. get on with it then
and leave Hillary Clinton's supporters alone. You're just picking at them and you know it.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #164
169. Why do you have to assume the very worst about my motivations?
I want to start concentrating on the Obama/McCain general election campaign. Of course, you can assume what you want but I am confident that the vast majority who read my messages will empathize. This is all about Obama/McCain now and time's a wasting.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:15 PM
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172. because you're being a pill
but thanks for kicking my thread (and giving me an excuse to kick it as well)
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #172
178. How is pointing out that this race is already over being a pill?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #178
180. there you go again
'cept now you're just boring
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #180
183. Reagan already used that line. Maybe you should try something else.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #183
190. you're just disrupting now
not the noble pursuit you pretend
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #162
165. then go to the Obama Forum. GD-p is open to all. And stop telling the OP what to do. very arrogant.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #165
168. I didn't tell the OP what to do. I asked a question.
And my motivation is that I am anxious to get on with the general election campaign because I believe it is crucial to defeat McCain.

Of course the forum is open to all, but that doesn't mean that I can't question why people are wasting time on Clinton's doomed candidacy.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #168
170. look at the language you use to load your question
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:14 PM by bigtree
If you want to promote that view or that 'question', why don't you pose it as a query on your own thread?

Better question, where is your own thread promoting your own choice in this primary? It's hilarious to find you stuck on this thread, ridiculing me for ignoring your candidate. You seem to be in earnest. Get on with it then. I anxiously await your efforts on behalf of your candidate. Judging from your enthusiasm for telling me what I should do with my own time and efforts, I can just imagine the parade of threads from you in elevation of your candidate, graced with your own special brand of promotion and advocacy. Lead the way. This can't be the best of your efforts, needling me here on this innocuous thread. I expect great things from you, totodeinhere. Go to it.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #170
182. I think that at this time my best role will be to concentrate on...
pointing out to Clinton supporters that it's over and if they really care about this country they had better get with the program and start working for Obama. While I don't want to tell them what to do as you accused me of telling you what to do, I think it's perfectly legitimate for me to point out what realities are right now in this campaign.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:24 PM
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188. good luck with that
I wish you'd just bug off. You're just irritating. I don't know what purpose you think you're serving with your arrogant attempt to preach down to Clinton supporters. Go fly a kite.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #188
191. Have you seen this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The math just isn't there for Clinton. So since you don't have a leg to stand on in that regard instead you resort to personal attacks against me such as calling me "irritating." All I am doing is pointing out the obvious about this nominating contest. It's over and it behooves us to move on the general election and work for Obama.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:58 PM
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192. It's actually not 'over'
I wouldn't apply your standard to ANY election. Neither candidate has achieved the necessary amount of delegates to win the nomination by actual votes cast alone. There's nothing 'over' about that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #168
171. your tone was evidentl. Bigtree has posted lots of positive posts about obama
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:16 PM by rodeodance
and his campaign. A simple thank you would have been nice.


bye
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #171
173. certainly
. . . no need for thanks.

The pleasure is, of course, all mine ;-)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:53 AM
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166. Nice thread
unfortunately I don't think it was the message she thought she was sending
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anonymeme Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:29 PM
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174. Gooooo, Hillary! You Go, Girl! K&R, bigtree, Kicked to the Top & Recommended!
It ain't over 'til it's over and the fat lady sings!

To the White House with Hillary and to the Top with this post.

:kick:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:42 PM
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175. HRC is Victorious - Crushing win in WV
Go Hillary!!!

I love this post!!! Thanks.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:17 PM
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181. Jesse Helms used to crush his Black opponents too!
Looks like Hil and Jesse share the same base!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:20 PM
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185. Are you for real????
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:22 PM
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186. You have no room to talk with this pathetic attempt of yours to divide here
And your comment is just ignorant. How pathetically stupid.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:44 PM
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176. A clear message of racism.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #176
179. That's the same crowd in which the photo of the "Barack Hussein Obama" sign was taken
Too late for Clintonistas! You can lock that thread, but the photo has been sent everywhere for people to see the racism from WV Hillary voters. I'll bet they hate gays too!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #179
184. you're just an ass for highlighting it. There have been offensive signs at Obama rallies
but, I leave ALL of the negative stuff at Obama's rallies (which have been extensively reported on: 'bros not hos' t-shirts, 'iron my shirt' cracks about Bill's affair, etc.) out of the similar threads I post about his efforts in this campaign.

You are defeating the purpose of this positive thread with your divisive efforts.
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