Why do the same people that brag that Hillary is a fighter, turn around and accuse Obama supporters

[NJmaverick]

of being thugs and bullies for also being fighters???????????? Seems to me there is a major double standard at work here! It's GREAT that Hillary is a fighter, but it's horrible and evil if Obama supporters fight for their candidate.

[maddiejoan]

1. What's the purpose for this thread?

seriously.

What do you hope to get out of this topic?

[NJmaverick]

8. I want to point out the hyprocrisy of the accusations being tossed around by the Hillary crowd

[maddiejoan]

16. Why?

:shrug:


Where does that get you?

[NJmaverick]

18. maybe a few less of your nonsensical "thug" accusations

[maddiejoan]

21. When have I ever done that?

[Exilednight]

31. The OP didn't call you out specifically, but it is a general meme of several Hill supporters. n/t

[maddiejoan]

32. ...

"maybe a few less of your nonsensical "thug" accusations"


seems like he was calling me out.

[hokies4ever]

34. Give it a rest maddie

we're tired of your crap already. Stop picking fights with every Obama supporter on these boards.

[JuniperLea]

2. time to grow up and fight the REAL boogie men... instead of your fellow DUers... jeez!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5902706&mesg_id=5902706

[NJmaverick]

12. I am tired of fighting the battle on two fronts, that's why

[JuniperLea]

13. You can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

You don't think Obama will really win if you let up on Hillary? You can't see which is the real priority here? Or what?

[NJmaverick]

14. Ironic that in same thread you demand people "grow up" while also spewing childish insults

Typical of the hillary camp, sadly all too typical

[JuniperLea]

15. Oh bullshit

These are honest questions from an Edwards supporter who never lowered herself to enter either camp. Honest questions that you have avoided by turning on me instead. Typical.

[NJmaverick]

17. lol! Go back and read your posts, you would have to raise yourself to enter either camp

even the hillary camp

[JuniperLea]

23. typical insults when you cant answer a question

now go run off a bunch of hillary folk with your potty mouth so there won't be enough democrats to make sure the gop can't steal another election. then you can be proud of yourself when you see mccain put in office by the supreme court.

[NJmaverick]

24. yawn** pathetic

[JuniperLea]

25. Yes, you are at that

You have no sense of what is important. Like the monkey with it's hand stuck in a coconut full of peanuts... his hand is to full to pull from the hole and he doesn't have the sense to let go of a few peanuts.

[NJmaverick]

28. Shame reality keeps under cutting your arguement

Look at what an alleged Democrat had to say about our nominee and many other party leaders

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5908970

[GetTheRightVote]

3. I am now thinking that a combine ticket with both would be nice for us all to get along

yup, time to get along people

[DogPoundPup]

4. Hillary is NOT a dem, she is a republican

NO to a combined ticket!

"The people never have been interesting to the Clintons, not in organized, confident form. They have been interesting as election props and poll numbers, and interesting as victims, atomized, whose pain could be felt, causes championed, and misery exploited. They are interesting to Bill on rope lines, as exemplars of popular adulation and individuals to be charmed or lectured. Hillary used to hate the rope lines, hate being touched, and in the 1992 campaign she used to make sure that big men were around her to keep the plebs at bay. That changed as her ambition grew and she discovered Purell instant hand santizer. Having purelled universal health care as a live issue for a generation, she's back at it, just where she wants to be, as an answer to a murmured prayer, among a populace mobilized for nothing but elections.

Bill Clinton bribed and buttered up every member of Congress he could to pass NAFTA in 1993. The unions made speeches and phone calls and rallied here and there, but it wasn't much of a fight. they trusted their buds the Clintons. And it wasn't the only issue that labor failed to make into an energetic public case. Even as unions were being crushed by employer intimidation during representation campaigns, they didn't fight en masse for labor law reform while Clinton had a Democratic Congress, and they didn't fight, after the long night of Reaganism, for a seachange in government priorities, for an industrial policy, for reinvestment to end the bleeding of their jobs and their communities and the class. Organized labor vowed to throw out the bums who had passed NAFTA, but ended up backing most of them for re-election in 1994, and did nothing to organize globally with other losers in the aggressively pro-capital regimen of neoliberal capitalism. They had faith that the Clintons were feeling their pain and could trust them.

Organized feminists didn't fight when Clinton continued Reagan's war on "welfare queens" in more polite language. They didn't fight as women were made peon labor, displacing unionized public workers, or as they were made a captive labor force for multinationals like Tyson's chicken. Or as they were threatened with eviction from public housing. Or as they were forced into more peon labor in exchange for that public housing.

Predatory lending increased, and there was no fight. Household indebtedness increased, and there was no fight. Deregulation marched on, leading the way for the current foreclosure crisis among other things, and there was no fight. Hillary Clinton's closest foreign policy adviser now, Madeleine Albright, said the death of half a million children because of sanctions on Iraq was "worth it", and there was no fight. The drug war escalated on American city streets and in Colombia with the bribing and arming of government-linked paramilitaries, and there was no fight. Bill Clinton wrote anti-gay discrimination into law in the Defense of Marriage Act and there was no fight. While he had a Democratic Congress and squandered an opportunity for banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in civilian life, he won cheers from gays and their bloc vote at the ballot box for fighting for their equal opportunity to be paid killers and cannon fodder."

These suave' Clintons are the biggest part of the reason we (U.S. citizens) are where we are today (broke and enslaved)!

[JuniperLea]

26. All that being said... ad nauseum... what would you do...

If Obama asked Clinton to be his running mate? Would you throw him under the bus then too?

:shrug:

[DogPoundPup]

29. Yea, facts are ad nauseum, I see where you are coming from

Substantive information is just blown off as insignificant; so to answer your question would just be wasting my time.

[EFerrari]

5. We won't get anywhere while we accuse each other.

We'll start to move closer to Somewhere when we try to find a point of agreement.

This rift is all over my family and it's very painful and infuriating and difficult.

While we hurl cr@p at each other, that's what we can expect -- even if we believe it's truthful cr@p. That doesn't take any talent.

At some point, we may remember why we wanted to be Democrats and how most things we care about are bigger than we are.

A lot of us have already grieved our first choice -- even our second choice.

There really is a greater good and even if it isn't our personal choice, most DUers seem to be very clear on that concept. Very clear. Sometimes it seems to me that the only thing bigger, stronger and meaner than most DUers' opinions is their ability to empathize with each other and to stand with each other. I was drug by a team of horses to work and vote for Kerry. And that was the right thing to do although at the time, I felt like I was giving up something that was so important to me that I'd never recover. Well, it turns out, I was right and wrong. I was right about what a loss that was. I was wrong about John Kerry.

This isn't going to be easy, imho. Not in any way. But I for one promise to lay back on my own personal cr@p and to do my best to work through this time.

[JuniperLea]

27. There are a lot of us who feel the same way

I'm happy to see you join the fight against the REAL enemy... John McCain!

It's going to take all of us to defeat him and the filthy election stealing GOP!!!

:hug:

[Arrowhead2k1]

6. Shhhh!

You mustn't confront these poor people with pure logic. Their heads will explode...

[4themind]

7. I think we all need to be a little more wary of the "supporters" tag

there are rationale/civil supporters and those that are less so, but without modifying our words, both types can be seemed as painted by the same brush, even the ones that don't accuse you of being a bully, and that can be offensive, and even perhaps lead people to do things that they wouldn't normally do (as payback). Fight fire with water, like obama does, he doesn't talk about Hillary supporters as being ___,and you know why because with out bringing in these voters, we're doomed either way, and I won't just assume that they'll vote for obama when faced with the choice, that's something that hillary is accused of doing, I'll try to win them over with appeals to my candidate, and also present the words from the candidates themselves, and worry less about the "double standards" thrown by a few fire-bombers that want to disrupt us. Thanks for your consideration.
(Btw I'm not perfect on this either, I have my ups and downs, maybe we can all help each other out with this , because God knows it's hard sometimes =)

[Hippo_Tron]

9. Don't really care, because Obama will likely be the nominee

I realize that there's hypocrisy on the part of her supporters just like there is hypocrisy on the part of Obama supporters. I think that pointing it out at this point is meaningless. Our guy will likely win, there girl will likely lose, and we'd be better off winning graciously and not bringing up past grievances.

[JVS]

10. The just can't handle the ferocity of the Obama team!

[ccharles000]

11. I think Hillary is a fighter and a better leader.

I have never attacked Obama or his supporters. I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee.

[maddiejoan]

19. same here

and especially in light of Skinner's latest post --what does this accomplish?

[butterfly77]

20. Because Hill and Bill are the King and Queens of america...

We can't hurt their legacy, did any of the other former candidates get this special treatment...

[NJmaverick]

22. We didn't have to hurt their legacy, they did that themselves

[applegrove]

30. I haven't seen that. Then again I've avoided most threads of the GD: P

[niyad]

33. it works both ways