What would it take to get your vote, Clinton Supporters?

[slick8790]

This is a two parted question.

I am an Obama supporter, but if something happens, I'd gladly vote for our nominee.

However, I've seen a lot of people who say they won't vote for Obama. While I realize that there are people who say that about Clinton too, but at this point, I don't consider it likely that she'll win the nomination so the point it moot.

My first question is, what would Barack Obama have to do to get your vote in the primary? What would he (or hillary) have to say or do to convince you to jump ship?

Secondly, what would Obama have to do to get your vote in the general election?

I'm not being snarky here, I'm just genuinely curious about what it would take for the most die-hard Clintonites to support Obama.

[jgraz]

1. Maturity.

Let's try to find them some.

[Saturday]

8. Nasty comments like this one won't help. nt

[jgraz]

18. Not interested in helping. Get on the bus or get under it. I don't really care.

[Barrymores Ghost]

92. That's where I'm at, too. I got no time to beg...

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the stakes are, boys and girls. These fucktards who say they'll vote for McCain or stay home, they're dead to me already -- and they can all rot in hell.

[PoliticalAmazon]

93. We cannot win without the Hillary supporters.....

I'd like to suggest that you check your ego at the door and look at the big picture here.

If you think we can win without Hillary's supporters, you are wrong.

If you think the Hillary supporters will vote for Obama if they are continually told their votes aren't needed, you are wrong.

I you think they will vote for OBama if they get backed into a corner and we try to force them to voting for Obama, you are wrong.


If you realize that Obama is taking the right approach, not responding to reactive anger and baiting, and that this is the only way for us to unite the party and win in November...YOU ARE CORRECT!

[Barrymores Ghost]

95. No, those who threaten to vote for McCain or stay home aren't needed.

There is a difference between jilted Hillary Honeymooners and the Spoilers. The spoilers who threaten to take down the party out of a fit of pique are neither progressives nor feminists nor Democrats, and they are a shrill but insignificant minority, and they can fucking blow me.

[DemVet]

22. It's evident....

...that you don't have any to spare.

I take that back...you don't have any at all.

[jgraz]

32. I've got plenty. What I'm out of is patience.

Grow up and get behind the nominee. Or not. I don't care.

[DemVet]

47. If you'd take time....

...to read any of my posts, you'd know where I stand.

You're evidently on here just to stir up trouble. Congratulations.

[jgraz]

53. Nope. I'm reacting to posts like the following

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5902091&mesg_id=5902091

If you're not part of that attitude, you have my apologies. Of course, my maturity comment wasn't addressed to you then.

[emilyg]

57. Which you seem to lack.

p.s. I want roses for M. Day - Love, Mom

[jgraz]

69. Really? Are you going to be voting for Obama this fall?

[emilyg]

89. I have not decided yet.

[LisaM]

2. In the primary? Or the GE?

For starters, how about apologizing for framing Hillary as a racist?

[scheming daemons]

4. Obama hasn't done so... we, his supporters, have... and the media has....

..but not a single comment from him has.

[Tyler Durden]

9. In the Navy, the Captain is in COMMAND.

Obama is applying for the job of COMMANDING OFFICER, so let's see some fucking COMMAND here.

Let him tell his supporters to grow some MANNERS. Clinton's can use some too, but things have gotten WAY out of hand.

And if you want to play GLOAT, then that's YOUR problem, not the Clinton Supporters.

[scheming daemons]

12. Obama IS showing manners.... we, his supporters, are telling the truth on her.....

She said what she said.


Pretending it meant something other than what it clearly meant is NOT UP TO US.


Obama is being gracious for not calling her on it.

[Tyler Durden]

23. You, as his supporters, DEFINE the campaign.

If you don't like that psychology, then we can't help you.

Plus, we don't FEEL the way you do, and we feel just as intensely about what we feel are OBAMA'S failings.

Perhaps you might want to figure that into the equation.

Or not.

[rodeodance]

60. Obama uses you to do his dirty work and you oblige by being his doormat.

[Jed Dilligan]

37. That's an absurd analogy.

In the Navy you go to the brig if you disobey orders. What are the consequences here? What's the stick, or for that matter the carrot, that Obama can use to control us?

Obama doesn't give anyone orders, and I believe he already has asked his supporters to tone it down more than once.

[Tyler Durden]

42. Fuck the brig bullshit. That's nonsense.

Can he or can he not say "HEY! Knock the shit OFF!"

And if you're not interested in listening to your CANDIDATE, then why in the name of GOD should WE listen to YOU?

And no, he hasn't said DICK about your "over the top" stuff. You forget you are dealing with people; and we believe in OUR candidate as you believe in YOURS. And we believe WE and OUR CANDIDATE are wronged as you believe the same.

Time to start walking a mile in our shoes.

[Jed Dilligan]

50. I don't expect you've been watching me closely,

but I stopped attacking Hillary and her supporters on Tuesday. So don't be mad at me for what others are doing. Or is it my responsibility as well as Obama's to stop them?

I just think it's absurd to make an analogy between a presidential candidate and the captain of a ship. Their levels of control are almost opposite.

Anyway, I'll try to dig up when he asked people to tone it down. It's been a few months. I wish Hillary would have ever done it in regard to you guys. But it doesn't matter, because none of your "gates" actually stuck to him.

[roseBudd]

40. Actually the volunteers who the Obama campaign actually have control of are told that, his authority

doesn't extend to anonymous forums.

[ingac70]

7. "Hard-Working Americans, White Americans"

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/05/09/hillary-hard-working-americans-white-americans/

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press.

It "found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," - Hillary Clinton

[Tyler Durden]

11. She is describing a fucking DEMOGRAPHIC.

Or is it racism when Obama's Campaign remarks that they carried 8X% of the Black vote in given primary?

You can't have it both ways: they are describing DEMOGRAPHICS.

[scheming daemons]

16. Not if you attach the word "hard-working" to "white"... then it is different....

Implying there is a connection between the two.


Obama's campaign didn't say, "We're carrying the hard-working, black vote".



If you don't get the difference between saying JUST "white" or JUST "hard-working" and PUTTING THE TWO TOGETHER, then you are a lost cause.

[Tyler Durden]

27. Any implication is the hearer's to deal with.

I don't interpret it that way.

Seriously (and politely) this is going nowhere. If you truly feel Obama has it wrapped up, then it's time to Play Mr. Nice Person.

Or not. Your call, not mine.

[roseBudd]

43. I am a hard working educated white collar/computer industry white female. why are low info no degree

white blue collar workers votes more important than mine.

Why is it my high stress, high information, constantly learning new information technologies job not hard working?

[LisaM]

14. They broke down the white vote because it's divided

It's not black vs. white. The black vote, this cycle, has been voting en bloc. Obama's getting numbers well into the 90th percentiles. So there is no need to break down who votes how.

The white vote is divided, the women's vote is divided. She's not going to get the black vote, so why would she trouble to dissect it?

[roseBudd]

46. Explain why uneducated whites votes should carry more weight? Especially since they

have been voting GOP since the 80s. Indiana whitieville going Blue? Not since 1964? Texas? Don't make me laugh.

[rodeodance]

61. You demean voters by saying they are 'uneducated"

[roseBudd]

74. Hillary said her voters are whites who didn't finish college, why should we defer to their judgement

[rodeodance]

83. good gawd. I can not believe you wrote that. You look down on folks just because they did not

finish college?? what a sick, petty mind.






........Hillary said her voters are whites who didn't finish college, why should we defer to their judgement.......

[jgraz]

20. OK, I'm sorry Hillary is a racist.

Happy now?

[ingac70]

3. They are Rush dittoheads....

No real Democrat wants to see McCain in office.

[BOSSHOG]

5. I guess this question might be for me

I have not been a Hillary supporter in these primaries but I will do as I have done in every presidential election since 1980, I will vote for the democratic nominee, regardless of who that might be. I can't imagine any democrat doing anything differently. However, as an aside, as a General Clark supporter I have been extremely saddened by the level of slash and burn and piling on done by Obama supporters on DU-GDP over the past several months. Unity? However (number two), I believe they are a small minority and do not represent their candidate. They don't represent him well anyway.

[DJ13]

6. Im afraid many of them have been played for fools by the Clintons for so long..

...they've lost touch with the reality of the situation.

They remind me of the same kind of people all Democrats once made fun of......the voters who support Bush no matter what damage he has caused our country.

Hillary played up to their fears, much the same way Republicans have kept their core constituency in line for 30 years.

[Hugabear]

10. There are Clinton supporters, and then there are Clinton fanboys

Fanboys, regardless of what they're a fan of, cannot be reasoned with. Hillary fanboys are not Democrats, at least not in the truest sense of the word.

I have no doubt that most Clinton supporters will vote for the Democratic candidate in November.

[SeaLyons]

15. just like I have no doubt you'll be voting for Hillary in Nov

if she ends up the nominee. Isn't that right??

[Hugabear]

39. Of course

This is too serious to allow McCain to get into the White House.

[rodeodance]

29. The OP was not directed at you --but you just had to chime in smear Hillary supporters!!

[Hugabear]

41. I did no such thing

I did NOT "smear" Hillary supporters! In fact, I actually stuck up for most of them. It's the "fanboys" that I said cannot be reasoned with, and those are the ones who will be working against Obama in the GE simply because their candidate didn't win. That is a "fanboy" attitude.

[rodeodance]

59. classifying some as 'fanboys" who can not be reasoned with is no way to

get their votes. Leave of the demeaning labels for starters.

[Hugabear]

68. I'm classifying them based on the way they act

I've seen their websites, particularly the 'hillaryclintonforum' one. I'm sorry, but many of those people are fanboys, and display no signs whatsoever of being open to discussion or dialog. Many of them have actually said that they would rather vote for McCain than allow Obama to become president. They'd rather suffer through 4 more years of Bush policies and wait for 2012.

I've never said that all Hillary supporters are like this. And yes, there are some Obama fanboys as well. Neither one is good for our party. But I'm always going to call it like I see it, and if that bothers you then I'm sorry.

[Saturday]

13. I was going to answer your question

because I thought it was asked as a sincere question. But the answers you're received from BO supporters made me reconsider.

[Tyler Durden]

17. Damned right.

Time for Obama and his campaign to show a little CLASS here. If you want to keep playing who shot John, then have a nice day, we aren't playing.

[jgraz]

21. Obama and his campaign have shown nothing but class all along.

I think the real problem is many Hillary supporters wouldn't know class if it crawled up their ass and exploded.

[rodeodance]

24. right on.

[Tyler Durden]

28. Who's #21? I have them on ignore.

[rodeodance]

31. jgraz

[Tyler Durden]

38. Not worth checking. Unless you think so?

Is it?

[rodeodance]

52. nah, just another immature O. supporter calling Hillary Supporters *sses and praising O. fans.

[jgraz]

55. Wrong again, as usual. I'm only calling certain Hill supporters asses

Guess which ones...

[rodeodance]

54. also the poster said this after he said the O. campaign has 'class" all along. te he.

[jgraz]

56. Is there any way we can pay you to go work for McCain?

After all, you've done your candidate sooooo much good. :eyes:

[Mags]

64. BHO folk sure do have a large chip on their shoulder. Pick

anything apart and use racism. I don't see how you folk ever get thru the day in the real world.

[jgraz]

66. Newflash: I'm not "BHO folk"

I'm an Edwards voter who was mature enough to choose another candidate when it was clear that mine wasn't going to win. Pardon me if I have zero sympathy for the remaining Hill dead-enders.

[Mags]

76. I was an Edwards supporter before Obama, then finally saw the light

You and the BHO supporters sure have a giant chip on your shoulders, I should have said.

[jgraz]

78. Yes, let me describe the chip for you

Last fall, we were all treated to endless "Mission Accomplished"-style celebrations from Hill supporters, laughing at every DUer stupid enough to support anyone besides Her Inevitability. These were accompanied by slavering posts anticipating the day when all Hillary critics would be tombstoned (ironically, most of those posters have been banned).

Now, we're being treated to complaints about how badly the Hill supporters have been treated, and demands that we make some sort of burnt offering if we want them to support the Dem nominee.

So you're goddamn right I have a chip on my shoulder. It will stay there as long as people on Democratic Underground continue to call themselves "Hillary Supporters" after we all know who the nominee will be.

[Mags]

81. when he is offically declared our nominee by the Head of the Democrat, I

will no longer question his nomination.

[jgraz]

85. Also, the chip is about people who are either too stubborn or too stupid to see the race is over

Seriously, you're like the guy who jumps out the 30th floor window and keeps saying "so far, so good" all the way down.

When you continue to deny reality like this, it makes you look dishonest. This is why people speculate about which Hillary supporters are really McCain stalking horses. The only thing you're doing now is hurting the party, yet you continue.

[jgraz]

36. That's probably for the best

We wouldn't want to cloud that fragile little mind with facts.

[Lucky 13]

19. For starters....

... they want us to tell them how great Hillary is - they don't understand the concept that many of us have very valid reasons for not supporting her

... deny our own feelings and beliefs that she has said racist/inflammatory things. Apparently people are offended that WE are offended at her comments. :eyes:

... grovel and beg for them to PLEASE PLEASE grace us with their presence and support.


Sorry. I'm not doing any of the above. At least not until I hear a concession speech. Not until I know she's GONE for good.

[Tyler Durden]

34. You just don't get it.

"... they want us to tell them how great Hillary is - they don't understand the concept that many of us have very valid reasons for not supporting her"

Bullshit. When it's over, it's over; unless of course you keep treating us like Jews you are trying to convert to Roman Catholochims in 15th Century Spain. Inquisitions do not win allies.

"... deny our own feelings and beliefs that she has said racist/inflammatory things. Apparently people are offended that WE are offended at her comments. :eyes:"

Who gives a shit about how you feel? WE are the ones you are trying to get to sign your "facebook." Try harder.

"... grovel and beg for them to PLEASE PLEASE grace us with their presence and support."

MORE bullshit. Just stop treating us like some kind of "Prodigal" returned to the "True Faith." It's demeaning as HELL.


I wouldn't wait that long. It might be a little late. Do you believe Obama has it wrapped up? Then time to start peace negotiations. Unconditional surrender treats us like Nazis at Nuremberg. Try harder.

[Lucky 13]

62. If I hear one more person compare Hillary and her supporters to Jews in the Holocaust....

... I'm gonna start throwing punches. You're such a fucking "victim" - at least that's what you desperately want people to believe. How bout instead of bitching and moaning you suck it up and work for your "candidate"? Maybe if you guys had done a little more of that instead of all the crying, we'd be in a different predicament.

You said:
"Who gives a shit about how you feel? WE are the ones you are trying to get to sign your "facebook." Try harder."

I give a shit about how I feel.

I don't want you to sign my "facebook"

and I'm not going to "try harder" to get spoiled temper tantrum throwing little brats to come join the party.

This fight is still on, as far as I know, and will continue until I hear a fucking concession speech. So here I am. Ready to fight, gloves off, until the final bell when your tired, beaten, bloodied candidate is finally carted from the ring and retired.

I'm not trying to get you to do anything. If you are STUPID enough to vote McCain, have at it. I don't want anyone on my side that would compromise what is right and good for bitterness and SOUR GRAPES.

I'm not going to kiss anyone's ass or beg them to support Obama. You don't have enough sense to vote for a Democrat? You want to vote McCain? You want to write in Hillary? Go for it. I hope the guilt eats you from the inside out every time you see news on the continuing war in Iraq, a war in Iran, an economy in crisis, and our standard of living go down the toilet under President McCain. Have at it, genius. I can't stop you. I won't even try. Cause you can't cure stupid.

[martymar64]

80. Oh Snap!

Voting for McCain is just stupid. Anyone that would choose him over our nominee is a lost cause.
Fuck 'em.

[Lucky 13]

88. Exactly right. Fuck 'em.

[Tyler Durden]

97. YOU are such a tool.

The Spanish inquisition is NOT the fucking Holocaust, and like so many other Obama "Fanboys", you are an idiot. You don't have to convince ME you fucking fool. You have to convince MILLIONS of Clinton supporters that you and the press have demonized. I'm not stupid enough to vote for a Republican, but you and others like you are obviously not smart enough to figure out that you NEED those millions.

Well with attitudes like yours, good luck.

When he loses in the Fall, and he WILL lose, I, and people like me will blame YOU, and the rest of the fanboys who think that they have the TRUE FAITH. bookmark this thread, fool. You and the rest of your idiot ilk made what happens in November possible.

JESUS I'm fucking tired of dealing with double digit IQ's.

[jgraz]

106. beautiful

:applause:

[rodeodance]

25. ah, another thread devoted to smearing Hillary supporters. **********

[Hugabear]

45. What makes you think that?

Because some of us have pointed out that there is a difference between true Democratic Hillary supporters, and Hillary supporters who have this "Hillary-or-nothing" fanboy attitude?

[jgraz]

65. And we appreciate you jumping on and proving the point.

Thanks! :hi:

[Lyric]

26. I'll vote for him in the general election, because I'm a Democrat.

But in the primary? He'd have to publicly denounce his rabid followers who declare that practically every reason for disliking Obama has "racist roots", because somebody telling me that I'm a racist makes me about a THOUSAND times less likely to even consider supporting the same candidate that they do. He'd have to make an effort to sound a LOT less like a freaking preacher, because that religious speech cadence makes me automatically distrust anyone who uses it--I mean come ON, his manner of speaking sounds like every far-right nutcase on religious radio, and as a GLBT person, that kind of speaking cadence has about the worst associations I can even describe. He'd have to come up with some talking points that are more substantial than HOPE! CHANGE! Also, he'd have to publicly apologize for Donnie McClurkin, and ASK forgiveness for his mistake--not assume. Then he'd need to promise to name a female VP.

That's about it. Of course, that has zero chance of happening.

[Mimosa]

84. Oktoberain at LEAST you've got some sense & won't vote McCain

Answering to one of the the letters in GLBT, I think you are so offbase. Obama's style isn't preachery at all. He's erudite and naturally eloquent. He doesn't downmarket his natural expression in order to pander unlike certain candidates I won't name. (I've had the same problem as Obama: I've sometimes been accused of using 'fancy' words and such.)

If you were truly listening you'd realise Obama has plenty of substance to say.Check his campaign website, please.

I don't know if you are male or female. I can't check your profile unless i contribute to DU. And there's no reason I'd give money to awebsite which is clearly richly supported by paid ads. Anyhow, I am so beyond any consideration of voting for any person BECAUSE they are female, male, black, white, native american. That's tokenism.

Oktoberain, I checked your journal. You're a gay woman. Some women seem to feel that there's an imperative to have more women in elected office, and that will make the world a better place. If that's the way you feel, fine.

[Rhythm]

102. Mimosa, your intentions may be good, but your approach needs some work...

First, welcome to DU... hope you stay for a while and add to the conversation!

One bit of advice that i would like to offer: being new, and then coming across as a scold--or worse, as condescending--is going to get you nowhere... certainly it's not going to change anyones mind or vote. Conversations, unlike arguments, are a two-way street, and there are much better ways to approach them than to start off by telling someone how 'wrong' they are just because they don't agree with you. Just because you don't agree with Oktoberain's stated reasoning does not make her position less valid than yours.

Hopefully before November the "I'm not voting for so-and-so" hyperbole will have gone diminished, and the Democratic Party (including those here, who as a whole are more to the left than the rest of the country) will have pulled itself together behind it's nominee, so that we can resoundingly retire McSame.

[jillan]

30. I will hold my nose and vote for him in the GE if he is the nominee.

And then I am going to pray like hell that he can beat McCain.

I am a Democrat first, a Hillary supporter second.

[olkaz]

35. I'm on the opposite side, and I've been saying that from the beginning.

Whoever wins with a (D) behind their name has my support. It's too freaking important.

From one Hartmann fan to another, thank you.

[totodeinhere]

33. It shouldn't take anything to get them to support our nominee in the general.

If they are Democrats, then they should vote that way.

[Tyler Durden]

44. If you aren't PISSIN', then you don't need to be KISSIN'.

If you aren't calling us "HILLBOTS," or calling our candidate WHO WE BELIEVE IN all sorts of Nazi, then you're off the hook.

I'd spread the word, though.

[totodeinhere]

51. Are you saying that you will refuse to vote for our nominee because of...

some postings on an Internet message board? I hope not because that would be ridiculous.

[Tyler Durden]

98. Of COURSE not.

I'm not stupid.

But it has little to do with this board. Olberman, Maddow, Rhodes and their ilk have done a fine job of demonizing the Clinton Supporters and their Candidate.

You need more than ME, friend. You need MILLIONS, and with the "Dog Pile On Clinton" continuing, the election will likely be lost.

Republicans would vote for a bag of SHIT with an "R" on it, and we keep forgetting that in our drive to self-immolation.

[totodeinhere]

111. No, the conditions will be so bad in this country (IMO) by November...

that Obama should win in a landslide. With the economy going in the tank, gas prices going through the roof, and no end to our involvement in Iraq is sight, I doubt if McCain could even be elected dog catcher. Those millions you speak of are not stupid either, and whether or not Clinton is being treated fairly right now will be ancient history by November and should have no bearing on the results.

[BlooInBloo]

48. A shred of decency?

[jgraz]

67. Good luck with that.

[BlooInBloo]

90. An ounce of caring about this country then? C'mon! They GOTTA have *something* good in them!

[ccharles000]

49. Nothing.

I will vote for whoever is the nominee.

[Politicub]

58. I'm easy - he just needs to be the nominee

And then he has my vote. And I do think he has the momentum to become our nominee. I'll happily support him, and be thrilled to cast my vote for him come November.

I've been laying low from DU for the later half of the primary season, but slowly starting to come back. I guess I developed a thicker skin in re: to some of the more over zealous supporters of Senator Obama.

[Fox Mulder]

63. It should take absolutely nothing to get their vote.

Barak Obama is a Democrat. We're all supposed to be Democrats. That means we will help the Dems win, no matter what.

If you say otherwise, you're on the wrong website.

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. a) embrace universal, universal healthcare

b) nothing. He had me at "I'm a democrat".

[quakerboy]

86. I wish we could get anyone to do that

Damn but I do. In other countries, even the conservatives support it. What the hell happened to make us so different?

[BlackVelvet04]

71. What would it take to get your vote, Clinton Supporters?

Hell freezing over.

[Name removed]

72. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Forkboy]

73. ...

[anamnua]

75. No way

A point of no return was reached when he used the race issue to smear the Clintons. No way would I support this conman with his shady (GD America etc) associates and his cynical disenfranchisement policies..
Nobama. Not now. Not in the future. Never ever.

[GoneOffShore]

79. Enjoy your short stay.

[martymar64]

82. Then I guess you'll be leaving us soon

I hope you enjoyed your stay.

[Miss Chybil]

77. I voted for Hillary, but I'm 100% behind Obama now.

I'll still be happy with whoever wins, but I'd much prefer Obama.

[bigtree]

87. accept the nomination

[littlebit]

91. For me personally

there isn't anything he could do to get my vote. I doubt I will change my opinion between now and november.

[applegrove]

94. I want to see Obama show some "true grit".

[SoonerPride]

96. Well he's weathered the campaign for a year now.

Not tough enough for you yet?

He seems tough to me. He's taken lots of hits with more grace than anyone in the race

[annie1]

101. exactly. show me SOMETHING.

[hermitcrab]

99. Getting my Vote

OK, as a long time refugee from the old Republican party (god forgive me), I would vote for an o'possum if it ran as a Democrat, just to try to keep those GOP bastards from ever getting any power again. Especially after what they have done to the Supreme Court. Yuck.

That said, I never exactly got the Obama fever because (1) he's too young (i.e. younger than me and therefore obviously not qualified) and (2) he seemed a little too slick with the message of change: sure we want change, but change what and how? I prefer a little policy wonkishness, where I would feel there was some area of policy that he really owned.

And the part about working with the Republicans across the aisle, I'm not sure that makes sense. Should we compromise and drill for oil in only half of the National Parks? Raise the minimum wage a nickel instead of a shiny new dime? Wage war only every other year? The only reaching across the aisle I want to see is to slash the GOP with a broken beer bottle. (Note to CIA: Ha, ha just kidding!)

[annie1]

100. a month or so ago i said he'd have to drop the hope/change bs....

and start saying something more pragmatic might make me believe he has anything to offer other than a very well done and slick campaign, but after his trying so hard to disenfranchise the last 5 states, there is no way i will be voting for him. absolutely none.

[CakeGrrl]

103. When did Obama or his campaign EVER say they didn't want the last states to vote?

Truly. If you can find any proof of that, good on you.

By the way, suspending a campaign DOES NOT prevent you from voting. Republican primaries are still taking place and Republicans are still voting, even if the MSM isn't covering them.

As to HRC, she said it would be wrapped up in February. Had that happened, would you have been worried about the primaries that were essentially a moot point and wouldn't have mattered? Would you have charged her with disenfranchisement?

[B Calm]

104. Okay, then think about our soldiers in Iraq!

[Tyler Durden]

109. And he said he'd listen to the commanders on the ground.

Seems I heard that one also coming out of the mouth of...hmmm...Bush?

[Perry Logan]

105. 1) A public apology to Hillary and her supporters for lying through your teeth. 2) $5000 cash.

[jgraz]

113. Which lie should Obama apologize for?

The one where he said she was a strong campaigner? Or the one where he said she'd make a great president?

I dunno... they were both pretty bad.

[Secret_Society]

107. Would not get my vote in the primary

In the GE, just have a (D) next to your name

[Marie26]

108. He's got it in the GE

Primary, too late. The thing is, Clinton supporters tend to be very loyal and stubborn. Even now, with the race almost decided, she's still winning states in Il, WV, etc. If imminent defeat doesn't convince people to defect, I'm not sure what will. But for the GE, Obama's got to persuade these voters to support his ticket & IMO one of the best ways is to offer Clinton a VP spot or a Cabinet position. And also to appeal to working-class voters w/more specific policies, universal health care, & just a sense of empathy.

[Clintonista2]

110. Clinton as VP

[jgraz]

112. VP of what? WalMart?

[Clintonista2]

115. Sorry Ignored, cya later

[LowerManhattanite]

116. LOL!

Can't respond to an “ignored” if you can't see the post.

Unless you don't really have 'em on iggy and are talkin' outta your Pamper™.

[jgraz]

117. That one's always talkin' outta his pamper.

[LowerManhattanite]

119. And then changed his post...

...deleted his stupidly incriminating “Sorry but I can't see you” copy in the message area. LOL!

[jgraz]

120. Also par for the course. At least he's consistent.

[OmahaBlueDog]

114. It's not the vote that's a problem

I'll vote for Obama -- that's not a question.

However, I don't know that I'll do much more than vote for him. I don't see myself puting up yard signs or bumper stickers like I did for John Kerry. I would have done those things for Hillary Clinton.

I might eventually send Obama money, but (at this point), I feel my money is better invested in defeating GOP Senate and Congressional candidates.

[AZBlue]

118. No vote for Obama = a vote for McCain.

I guess if they can live with that...

[LWolf]

121. There is no possible way for Obama to get my vote in my primary,

which I'll probably cast later today.

To get my vote in the GE, he would need to:

Drop his health plan and adopt HR 676.

Do a 180 shift on his attitudes about war, the bogus "war on terror" in particular. Promise to end Iraq NOW and to end the practice of using our military as an instrument of international policy.

Agree to repeal the patriot act and restore all civil liberties eroded during the Bush administration.

Promise to repeal NAFTA and NCLB, accomplishing it in his first 100 days.

Support Gay marriage.

Apologize to those he offended with his remarks about the "excesses of the 60s and 70s" while heaping admiration on Ronald Reagan.