How did Obama do, exactly, among Working Class voters in Indiana and North Carolina? Under 65 I mean

[Leopolds Ghost]

White or Black. UNDER 65.

I read Obama won ALL income categories under 65, i.e. minus the George Wallace Democrats.

[uponit7771]

1. Around 35% of their vote like he usually does the rest are pulled by Hillary. The "...white people

....wont vote for Obama" is stupid on its face and I'm even more disappointed in HRC that she's pushing it.

[Texas Hill Country]

2. it's not about racism, it is a recognized voting block that has been talked about in every single

election since time immemorial


you guys are the ones injecting racism into it.

[endarkenment]

5. wrong - the 'block' means lower income white suburban males.

The question really is 'will republican leaning white males vote for Obama?', and the answer is 'they vote republican'.

[Leopolds Ghost]

12. Do you believe in free trade then? Because that is what you'll get if you're anti-New Deal coalition

The problem is old white males, not your assumptions about the working class (speaking as an Obama backer here)

[endarkenment]

18. I don't even know what 'working class' means in this context.

Like I said, the Clinton campaign is using the term as code words for 'white male suburban voters' as part of its racists campaign endgame.

Can Obama pry republican leaning white male suburban voters away using populist economic arguments? Yes he can.

[Me.]

6. Bill Won With 41% Of The Working Class

Obama, at this point, is only 6 behind him, certainly attainable.

[frazzled]

7. He won in every income demographic in North Carolina

I don't understand where your numbers are coming from.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225999

[Leopolds Ghost]

9. Actually I forgot to add I was looking for under-65 numbers. George Wallace Dems (aka Reagan Dems)

destroyed the party and the labor movement in the 1970s-1990s. They are all getting older now.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. He won by 14%.

I refuse to play the demographics game. It's designed to alienate people from each other.

56% of voters liked him.
42% of voters liked her.

[SoonerPride]

4. Thank you

[Leopolds Ghost]

11. Except that elite whites in this country are waging class warfare on the working class.

By encouraging one half of the working class to hate the other half.

You want us to all hold hands?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. "You want us to all hold hands?"

Nope. The oligarchs can go fuck themselves.

[OHdem10]

8. Democrats cannot win an election without over 40% of BCW

Bill Clinton is only Democrat since Carter to get the votes from
these groups.

[Leopolds Ghost]

10. Black Catholic Workers?

[cliffordu]

13. Bloated Catholic Werewolves

[TragedyandHope]

14. 54% of his votes in NC were White

From Ohio to Pennsylvania to Indiana he has made significant inroads, basically defusing Clinton's argument, which was a specious one to begin with.

I don't take any Hillary supporters for granted, but you can be sure many of her voters will come over and support Obama on the issues against McCain and the threat of a continuation of Bush's criminal reign.

All the most important issues favor the Democrats. The state of the economy, Iraq and Bush work against McCain. 30%+ of Rehugs have long hated McCain and they're still voting against him (nearly 30% in PA, for Huckabee and Paul).

Most of the negative arguments tossed around during this Primary season have been weak arguments at best, flat out lies at worse. They are an attempt to shape people's thinking by framing the issue a certain way and repeating their mantras over and over again. Don't fall for it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

16. Hmm, that's not much... it kind of implies that most whites in NC don't vote Democratic

Which in turn means he can't win NC in the fall.

Unless blacks make up 30% of the electorate or something.

[TragedyandHope]

17. I have seen numbers around 33%

of the electorate and 22% of the population.

[democrattotheend]

19. Hard to break it down until we have data

I suspect that he is right about a lot of the resistance among whites making less than $50,000 comes from seniors living on Social Security or retirement incomes, but until we get the actual dataset (not just the toplines on the CNN website), it's hard to break it down. I work for a political organization and hopefully we will eventually get the datasets, in which case I can take a look at that.

One thing that I found interesting just from looking at the toplines is that Obama does better with younger voters than older voters in every racial group, including African Americans. In most states, he only got 70-75% of the older African American vote, instead of the high 80's-low 90's he's gotten among black voters overall. That was a little surprising to me, given the encounters I have had on the campaign trail with older African Americans who never thought they'd see a black president in their lifetimes. I can see some reasons for it, but I am afraid that if I speculate too much I'll end up offending someone, so I'd rather not say anything without any evidence to back up any of my theories.