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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:44 AM
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Just another request to be aware of others' feelings right now
Some people will be hurting a lot over the presumption that Obama has this sewn up. Just keep that in mind, please.

Think how you'd feel.

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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:45 AM
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1. Fair point.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:45 AM
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2. That does not give them the right to make rethug like comments on DU
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:46 AM
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5. And that does not give you the right to call Democrats Republicans.
Even though you've been here since February 8.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:47 AM
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7. Democrats dont wish for the nominee to lose to McCain
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:50 AM
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10. How would you know?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:50 AM
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11. Because I have been reading the board?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:52 AM
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13. Yes, reading DU makes you a quintessential Democrat.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:54 AM
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15. Are you serious?
There's like a 40-post long thread over on the Hillary forum plotting to change parties.

That's how I know.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:55 AM
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16. I don't read the Hillary forum nor do I pay attention to plots.
I do know the bullshit of calling posters here Republicans to be bullshit.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:57 AM
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19. What if some one votes republican are they still a democrat?
Lieberman is still a democrat even though he is campaigning for McCain. Does party affiliation or voting pattern determine what party you belong to?
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:59 AM
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20. Lieberman is not a Democrat.
He left the party after he was drummed out by Ned Lamont.

He's a member of the "Connecticut for Lieberman" Party.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:01 AM
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22. What if people post they won't vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not Obama?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:25 PM
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41. Hmm technically Lieberman is NOT a dem or a Republican
he is an Independent...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:25 PM
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42. Hmm technically Lieberman is NOT a dem or a Republican
he is an Independent...
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:02 AM
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23. Fair enough, if you don't visit that forum.
But, that forum was made because this place was perceived as too pro-Obama, and the participants were all from here. And they still post here.

But I think the charge is valid for posters that are out-and-out saying that they'll vote for John McCain, which I have seen at least twenty of them say.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:10 AM
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30. The poster isn't calling anyone a Republican.
The poster just simply stated that those people are making Republican-like comments.

There's a difference.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:18 AM
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33. A distinction without a difference. And you know well the level of the posts here.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:46 AM
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3. Maybe about like how I felt when Edwards got out.
Or for that matter, when Gore didn't get in.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:47 AM
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6. absolutely
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:46 AM
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4. Some of them don't deserve nice treatment
They have behaved like assholes.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:06 AM
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26. So two wrongs make a right?
I guess the words "Magnanimous in Victory" will never cross your lips. Never occurred to you that they feel exactly the same way?

Grudges last a long time.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:07 AM
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28. Like THIS clown?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:23 PM
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39. We haven't had a victory yet
Get back to me after the win.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:48 AM
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8. Yes they are in great pain today
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:51 AM
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12. All that mileage from Clinton hate -
Obama supporters - you stand where hate delivered. By all means stay true to yourselves.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:53 AM
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14. I know how they feel --
and it's devastating.

On a personal level, :hug:

And on a Party level, it's my hope that they will support our Dem nominee in November. We ALL will suffer if McCain gains the WH. :patriot:

I can't help but believe that the level of animosity on both sides has been greatly exacerbated by the amount of time this campaign has gone one. Like a festering wound.

We're all good people who want what's best for our country and ourselves. We'll do the right thing. :grouphug:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:08 AM
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29. BRAVO!
no other comment needed.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:56 AM
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17. I agree
but some idiots are hopeless
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:00 AM
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21. I would have known 2+ months ago it was over it I supported Hill
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:02 AM
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24. Yes, do not flay the skin from their backs until the Seven Day Hate is officially announced.
You've waited this long, you can wait a few more minutes. :hi:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:04 AM
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25. Fat chance.
The other side is tired of being kicked around and called an asshole in the bargain. Notice it just doesn't STOP.

Obama has some serious wooing to do, and Michigan would be a good place to start.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:07 AM
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27. are we allowed to at least defend obama as he is continually attacked???? or is that
not being sensitive enough.
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GihrenZabi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 AM
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31. I'll feel more conciliatory towards Hillary supporters...
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:15 AM by GihrenZabi
...when they stop being Hillary supporters and face reality.

Pressure needs to be put on the MSM to stop running idiotic headlines like "Can Hillary bounce back?"

No. She cannot - and the fucking media needs to stop stoking the Democratic news teat and let this die.

Her supporters facing reality and abandoning her to support the presumptive nominee is part of that process. Yes, she lost - but she lost months ago. They just didn't want to admit to the math; but let the fact that she had already lost months ago salve the wound. It isn't as though she was a viable candidate who just got bumped out last night. She's been the walking dead for a while.

Personal feelings don't even enter this. At a certain point you need to be pragmatic and face reality and let your intellect rule over your heart. There's too much at stake not to do so. WAY too much at stake.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:23 AM
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34. you are right on with your post. i agree with it all
am a very pragmatic person to an extreme. my father called me that once as if it was an insult or criticism. i didnt get it. lol. pragmatic works for me.

that is exactly what is missing from the hillary supporters. and i truly do not get it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:37 AM
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35. It's difficult to be truly pragmatic and objective
when you've invested so much hope and emotion in a candidate. When you truly BELIEVE that your candidate is the best to help our country at this time.

If Obama gets the nom, it'll be a process for Hillary's supporters to heal (like it was for me when my candidate dropped out). We all may be political wonks, but we're all people who have invested a lot in our candidate - be gentle.




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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:20 AM
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38. Thank YOU!
You nailed it.

The above post "when they stop being Hillary supporters" pisses me. I will NEVER STOP being a Hillary SUPPORTER.

I'll continue to support her in whatever role she takes going forward. Be that a Senator, Vice-Presidental candidate, Governor ..... whatever.

Never in my life have I wanted someone to win as I do with Hillary. And you're right, it's going to take a long time to heal for me.

Thanks for understanding that.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:59 AM
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37. But how can her supporters be expected to face reality when Clinton herself vows to fight on...
to the convention?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:37 AM
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36. She says the fight continues. So the fight continues.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:23 PM
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40. The thread just below yours right now is "Some of you Hillary Supporters Need to Harden The Fuck Up!
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delt664 Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:35 PM
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43. Feelings?
I try to be polite and civil all (okay most) of the time, but this is politics, not touchy happy feel good time. This is the future of our country, there has been talk of people refusing to support their party's nominee if it isnt "their" candidate, and we are concerned about feelings?

Let me be very clear. I prefer Obama. I will support either Hillary or Obama, who ever wins the nomination. Hillary can stay in the race as long as she wants for all I care. But if you expect me to coddle anyone along the way you have another thing coming.

I consider refusal to support the nominee, whoever it is, to be a betrayal of country, party, community and personal values.(assuming they are in truth a democrat not a member of Operation Chaos)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:49 PM
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44. Fifth rec! What I like best about this thread is not just its theme, but what else it signifies.
I'm seeing a WHOLE LOT of these sentiments, in several forms, starting to pop up all over DU. They may be general and neutral, they may come from Obama supporters seeking to welcome and comfort and embrace people from other camps, they may come from Clinton supporters expressing courageous conversions - heart-felt, sincere, and quite eloquent ones, too.

I'm loving this! Not much uncharitable stuff I've seen yet. I'm humbled and impressed. Everybody thought there was going to be wholesale bitterness and anguish - from any side. Turns out there's just a wee bit. The prevailing expression is one of "okay, we can see which way the cookie is crumbling. Let's move on from here to the business at hand." As the late California Senator Alan Cranston said when suspending his brief and far less lustrous campaign for president back in the day, "I know how to count votes."

There are indeed some who are seriously hurting, disappointed - even heartsick. They're sincere and I appreciate their willingness to share how they feel so honestly, and gracefully.

Look, if it helps any, here's one way to look at it if I may humbly offer a suggestion. Think of it as a situation where we ALL, hell, even the mcsame supporters, WIN. WE ALL WIN. Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes! You may already be a winner! If it's Barack Obama who carries our banner, his very doing that means we have actually, formally, opened the Twenty-First Century. We have turned a monolithic page - where a representative of the most disenfranchised groups in American history rises All. The. Way. To. The. TOP. "To go where no man has gone before" and all that. Hey! Obama's the Enterprise! When that happens, we wake up the next morning realizing we're citizens of an entirely new and just newly evolved nation. At that moment, there may not even be that much of an emotional rush. It may be such a quiet, core-deep feeling of realization that kinda changes the charge on the ol' molecules or something. At that moment, we'll be saying to ourselves and to each other - "wow - we really have changed. It's different now. We're not who we were, having taken such a profound step forward."

That's a win. Whoever wakes up as an American on the morning after the election shares that win. Just because. Everybody wins because the entire country, en masse, has just taken a substantial leap forward. And it's THAT country we'll all be living in! We'll be inhabitants of a new-and-improved, suddenly more grown-up America. That's a great, most needed, most welcome change for all of America, as we start to heal and try to promote healing for the last horrid seven-and-some years. We'll have made history together, because we ALL will have played a part in it - whoever we were for, originally. Simply sharing the journey makes it a win for everyone and anyone here.

YAY!!!

:party: :headbang: :toast: :hi: :woohoo: :applause: :grouphug: :patriot: :bounce: :thumbsup:

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