MSNBC is airing the Clinton Conference call right now

[Bill219]

Wow..alot of spinning going on this morning

[yourguide]

1. They are insane...

they are truly continuing on.

[MadBadger]

2. All this spinning makes my head hurt.

[FlaGranny]

3. God, these people are making

me sick.

[powergirl]

4. It's giving me a headache - Can Sen. Clinton please be merciful

and set Wolfson free?

[Medusa]

5. What are they smoking/ingesting/inhaling?

Damn, they are delusional.

[jaxx]

20. The essence of power.

It's escaping them.

[Kittycat]

6. Unfucking believable

They're insane

[K Gardner]

7. My enitre family stands here, mouths agape. Unfreakingbelievable.

[goclark]

9. What is being said?

[roguevalley]

106. he's black, he can't win whites so we will go on and win. delusional and racist

[ej510]

10. Yeah he cannot win the white vote!

[goclark]

11. Did she say that this morning?

[Medusa]

22. Her campaign flunkies did, yes.

they continue to spin their losses last night into a "win".

Didn't she only win the 65+ category in NC? :eyes:

[hokies4ever]

84. She only won 65+ in Indiana

Under 65: Obama won 53 to 47
Over 65: Hillary won 69 to 31

All Obama supporters: Ask your parents to stay at home if they live in any of the remaining primary states. :rofl:

[Cheap_Trick]

158. marathons of

Lawrence Welk, Barnaby Jones and Murder,She Wrote will take care of that.

[DangerousRhythm]

165. ROFL!

Oh, Jessica Fletcher, you scoundrel!

:rofl:

[Cheap_Trick]

159. delete, dupe

[Hepburn]

8. IMO....

...they are acting like there is hope so the donations will keep on coming in and before she quits, she can retire some of the huge campaign debt she has.

No one, honestly no one, could be so delusional to believe what is being said.

JMHO

[goclark]

15. What is being said!???

[Epiphany4z]

21. That Obama

cant win the white blue collar vote...ie...but but hes black! is what it boils down to.

The Michigan Florida thing is still be tossed out there but all math says...seat them and he still wins.

But I guess they have to try.

[ps1074]

92. there is a reason for that

White blue collar vote is the republican base. No wonder he can't win that.

[nels25]

64. Russert (I believe, could have been Matthews) implied as

much last night.
:shrug:

[Hepburn]

149. Yeah, I do believe you are correct...

...seems to me that Russert voiced this opinion last evening.

[Bill219]

12. If I understand this correctly

The Clinton camp is going to pushing the race isssue even more than they have done in the past

[powergirl]

13. Barnacle just called out the Clinton campaign for

emphasizing her support among "white people." He said something like "We all know Barack Obama is Black, we get it!! This is so offensive." Right on Barnacle!

[dascientist]

14. The aides don't even believe what their own words, all that stuttering

..........

[Tatiana]

16. So basically Rachel Maddow was right in her comments last night?

Clinton is going to continue on with the scorched earth, divisive strategy?

[Bill219]

17. sounds like it to me

[ej510]

23. Yes! I do not understand why any would believe she wouldn't

after all of the negative campaigning.

[Tatiana]

26. The whole panel (including Keith O) disagreed with her.

But what she said had the ring of truth to me.

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. I saw that too and hoped that Rachel was wrong. But as normal

she nailed it considering what has transpired in the last 12 hours
which almost equaled McCain and his 100 years in Iraq

[nels25]

67. Looks like it - SIGH!!

[YDogg]

97. Rachel Rules

[kdpeters]

145. She said Clinton was "post-rational"

Seems so to me.

[clevbot]

18. link???

[liberalla]

19. I've been listening...

:eyes:

[Texas Hill Country]

24. HAHA... i can tell from the comments that she is not dropping out?

[Kittycat]

36. So you support the racist, scorthed earth divide she's creating?

[Texas Hill Country]

40. oh, get over yourself... i am so sick of that bullshit meme

[Webster Green]

49. You need help!

This is race-baiting, pure and simple.

Christ-O-Rama, let it go already. It's fucking over. :eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

55. So apparently, you didn't listen to the conference call....its not a "meme" when is verifiable ...

campaign strategy.

[avenger64]

117. Nader. Every time I hear this kind of shrill victimization ...

.... 'you're a racist, you're a racist, nah nah nah nah nah', I just think, that's not what I'm going to support. Nader.

[rodeodance]

41. Pollsters use the sociological categories of Black, and white voters. Nothing racist about it.

[Webster Green]

54. Excuse me?...Nothing racist about it?

WTF is wrong with you people?

This is getting weird. :wtf:

[rodeodance]

59. you got that right. NOthing racist to say black or white voters.

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. take a trip over to hillaryis44.com, and wear protective gear.

there's a thread around here that is simply disgusting. How any self respecting black person can still support Hillary's campaign at this point, is a mystery to me. They make no bones about their outright hatred for blacks. While it doesn't surprise me that some of them post here, it does disappoint me. These are not the kind of people that should be part of the "Democratic" party.

[lumpy]

108. And women

x

[dionysus]

163. you guys are out of ideas over at capital hill?

:rofl:

it's over shillbot...

[dionysus]

162. either you want the dems to lose or you are a total idiot, which one is it?

[seabeyond]

25. how are reasonable rational people suppose to be "nice" to her. like so many threads today

demanding we be respectful and "nice" to hillary now it is clear she lost.

how are we supose to respect her?

[Renew Deal]

31. I agree

She should get the treatment she wants. As a delusional candidate that's hurting the party.

[redqueen]

110. No idea.

*sigh*

[EnviroBat]

27. She's a fucking lunatic.

I'm sick of hearing about her and from her anymore. She pathetic and irrelevant.

[habitual]

102. what does her sexual activity have to do with this?

cmon, just kidding, i couldn't help myself. :)

[EnviroBat]

151. shame on you...

:hi:

[NJmaverick]

28. Please consider taking the pledge

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5863437

[DMorgan]

45. I think the voices on that conference call convinced me............

There's no reason to "pledge" to anything, if Hillary is still going on with her campaign as if nothing happened.

[NJmaverick]

47. We need to give them at least 24 hours, it takes time to accept

that they lost. They have been going at it for over 15 months. I don't think a day is too much to ask

[redqueen]

112. They might have chosen to start working on accepting that fact long ago. (nt)

[mopinko]

113. we who?

do you think that "we" here at du have anything to do with their decision to fold it up?

[DMorgan]

120. Right.... this call for 24 hours of silence is going a bit too far! Looking like...

Censorship of thinking people. Asking us not to have opinions about what the Hillary campaign is doing to the Dem party today... as they blythely plan to stick more pins into Obama, force his campaign to spend needless $ fighting Hillary instead of McCain, waste volunteer time, with stupid "white voter" divisive messages..... 24 hours is TOO TOO LONG. IMO

[JVS]

53. Fuck that.

[Bake]

137. Is that the only word you know today?

Or just your favorite?

Bake

[Colobo]

29. Whoever is telling Hillary to fight on is simply crazy,

[Colobo]

30. Whoever is telling Hillary to fight on is simply crazy,

[my3boyz]

33. I think Bill is the one telling her to fight. nt

[goclark]

38. Rush is telling her to keep on ~ he is in control

and she if falling for it.

Power + Grapper = HC

[marlakay]

127. I read so had to put a bunch more of

her own money in last month, to keep going she would have to do more. Who is going to give her money now knowing she is on a losing path?

[madrchsod]

32. i think the supers have heard enough from hillary

if they are using the race card on national tv to justify their candidate...i won`t go there yet...

[DB1]

34. This is all about raising $, Obama should keep his focus on McCain.

Clinton needs to get back at least 6.4 million she loaned her campaign, after all public service is only good to her if it is profitable. (See Rose law firm, etc.)

[seabeyond]

39. then she can do it without trashing obama and causing him more problems. integrity

integrity... a foriegn word to the clintons

[DB1]

46. She will use whatever motivates her followers to open their wallets.

[goclark]

133. But they haven't opened their wallets very wide

or she would be rolling in $$'s.

[JVS]

37. When was this call made?

[Bill219]

42. This morning at around 10:15 MSNBC aired it live

[FlaGranny]

43. Her campaign

handed her a bigger shovel. There's lots of manure to shovel, but people who shovel manure tend to take on the odor of that which they shovel.

[juajen]

44. So, because she is a woman, she does not have the same

rights previous males have had when they have carried their "losing" campaigns all the way to the convention? You know, like Ted Kennedy who went to the floor of the convention with 700 delegates, Jerry Brown also went all the way to the convention, as did Gary Hart. I'm sure there are more, but you get the drift. None of these male candidates had anywhere near the number of delegates Hillary Clinton has, nor the support.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are practically tied, and you want her to quit so your blessed anointed one can have an easy time, and you wonder why so many Hillary supporters will not support BO IF he becomes the nominee?

[DMorgan]

48. We want her to quit because #1 she's not running a clean honorable campaign and

#2

SHE CAN'T POSSIBLY WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many times do we have to do the math for your folks?

[juajen]

71. Clean and honorable is like beauty, all in the eyes of the beholder.

I call you on you bullshit.

[thereismore]

85. And I put you on Ig. You are like a Japanese soldier who doesn't know the war is over. nt

[demwing]

154. And I push your bullshit call back on you

Clean and honorable are in the eye of the beholder?

Your ethical relativism astounds me.

[FlaGranny]

50. It has NOTHING to do with being a woman.

No one has ever said such a thing. Why must you try to start gender wars?

[Rob Gregory Browne]

57. Because it's the only thing they've got. nt

[juajen]

Well, what other difference is there?

Kennedy had only 700 delegates. It is what it is. It looks pretty obvious to a lot of women, whether you like or not, and it's hurting your candidate, not helping him. But, keep on looking foolish.

[karynnj]

116. Do you see that having only 700 meant that he could not stop Carter?

He was FAR less a threat and he WAS criticized.

[lumpy]

122. ?

x

[FlaGranny]

128. Big difference.

Big differences in campaign styles, organization, etc.

[Gore1FL]

140. So who said Kennedy did the right thing?

His antics gave us Reagan.

This has nothing to do with gender, it has to do with understanding the impact of her continuing a scorched earth campaign. If she wants to run a positive campaign ala Huckabee, then she should go on ahead and do it.

At this point she has no chance of winning the nomination. (she had no chance as of Wisconsin, actually)

[demwing]

155. So you're saying that Obama running against a woman

is hurting his campaign?

I get it now. Thanks for that illuminating tidbit.

[DB1]

51. Going to convention is DEmocratic Party suicide.

It takes time, cash, energy and planning to run a general election.

[goclark]

62. I just called the Party headquarters and they connected

me to Dean's email.
They said they would call me back.

I told them not a dime or my time until she stops the race baiting and being divisive for the party.

I mean it and I told them.

Last week they sent me a begging letter and I sent Dean a " Hell No until you stop her from playing the race card!"

:puke:

[DB1]

69. Money talks......

So on a brighter note, I heard a pundit say last night Clark is the logical choice for VP. I think Barack should focus on McCain, the economy, his VP choice and campaign in Oregon over the next two weeks.

[progressoid]

96. Clark as a VP...

Hmmm...I like the sound of that.

[seabeyond]

77. i said the same to dnc a couple weeks ago. i was donating once a month from cr card

stopped that 6 months ago. they called for donation and i said no... not until i know who the money is going to. they wont get a penny fr hillary run.

the man was so upset.

no, i said. again and again

not until

[juajen]

73. This has all been done before, you know. Perhaps this is your first rodeo?

[DB1]

79. I see the ignore button is still necessary.

[juajen]

88. Yep, that is always the answer to a battle Obama supporters cannot win.

Won't bother me at all, and it certainly won't be the first or last time one of you puts me on ignore.

[goclark]

134. Yes,it's been done before and we are sick of it

We want CHANGE.

[seabeyond]

52. they are not "practically" tied. she cannot win. and she is trashing the man

and making him spend the money we could use against repugs and setting states up for dems to not be able to vote obama... flo and mi.

those are facts.

looking at the facts... it cannot be justified

[goclark]

83. The trashing and the baiting is the end for me

If she is so solid with the White Vote than they would vote for her anyway.

Why does she have to say that in order for the Rush Clowns to agree with her?

[seabeyond]

93. i cannot stand what she has done with fl and mi. irrehensible to me. so lacking in integrity

i cant get past that one. to pin it on obama when he is soooo not responsible and lose those people during the election in nov.

i dont get it. i dont get the people that support her and actually allow that bullshit to flourish.

[goclark]

123. They would never have let him act like this ...

I am starting for blame the Democratic Party officials now.

I don't care if she stays in until forever... the race stuff must stop!

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[rodeodance]

58. obama fans conveniently forget that Dem candidates have gone to the

convention in the past.

their calls for her to stop makes them look weak. No opposition for the Savior.

[Teaser]

60. Two more weeks

and you can't post this anymore.

Will you still hang out here?

[DMorgan]

61. Please read a few posts above yours, or learn some history

Remember Kennedy/Carter? Reagan won over Carter.

Please list the number of times since JFK that a Dem won an election after settling on the candidate as late as the Convention.

Answer: ZERO

[rodeodance]

66. your ZERO is a zero to me.

[juajen]

78. When I posted, none of the other replies were visible.

[Straight Shooter]

99. Here's some history, too, from someone who voted the first time in Carter v. Reagan

Reagan was a silver-tongued smooth-talking sumabitch who made people pretend that "happy talk" can make everything better, who manipulated the hostage crisis to his advantage, who lied from the very beginning, who is famous for "There you go again" type of putdowns towards a decent rival candidate who was outmaneuvered by the slickness of the Reagan package which still gawdamn appeals to this day to the delusional Repubs.

There's your history. That's why Reagan won. Not on the issues. Not because Reagan had substance, but because he had style and the gullible populace ate it up like ice cream. And we're all the worse off for it.

When I woke up and learned Reagan won, I began to cry. Somewhere inside me, I knew it was over for America. We've been on a downhill slide ever since.

ETA typing too fast

[DMorgan]

115. I cried, too when Reagan won. What's Your point?

[Straight Shooter]

118. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

That's my point. America is getting fooled again.

[DMorgan]

139. Obama is NOT incumbent Carter facing Iran hostages and inflation!

Nor are people "fooled" by Hillary's lies and fake gas tax panders.

People are sick of Bush, and won't vote for John McSame. End of argument.

[Straight Shooter]

146. There are critical issues now, just as the Iran hostage crisis was a critical issue.

There are always issues, in every election. Yes, people will vote for John McSame. Are you frickin' kidding me? Party over country is the GOP motto. There is no end to the argument simply because you decree it so. We are light years away from November.

Go ahead and sleep well at night predicated on your unshakeable belief that hatred of the bush years assures an Obama presidency. I remember all too well the high-fivin' on DU on Election Eve and Election Morning in November of 2004.

I occasionally visit Repub forums and sites to assess the atmosphere in the enemy camp. They are coming around to McSame, they are talking themselves into believing in his ability to lead this country. Never underestimate the power of the GOP to regroup. And never underestimate the ability of Democrats to snatch defeat from the drooling jaws of victory.

[KSinTX]

150. Using sumabitch don't make ya a Straight Shooter, there Tex

Somewhere inside me, I knew it was over for America. We've been on a downhill slide ever since.

Then you couldn't possibly have benefited from the Clinton years so your point that we're getting hoodwinked somehow and should back another Clinton who has promised more of that same is a dog that just don't hunt.

Cryin's pretty cathartic. You might try doin' a little more of it.

[WeDidIt]

65. Every time it has happened in recent history

the Democratic candidate LOSES the general election.

In 1968, the brokered convention lead to a loss by Humphrey to Nixon.

In 1972, the brokered convention lead to a loss by Mcgovern to Nixon.

Even the Republicans experieneced it when Reagan took the 1976 Republican nomination to the convention and Ford lost to Carter.

In 1980, Kennedy took it to the convention and Carter lost to Reagan.

In 1984, the long primary challenge by Gary Hart ended up with the devestating laoss of Walter Mondale to Ronald Reagan.

Take ti to the convetion and JOHN MCCAIN IS PRESIDENT.

There is no way around that fact.

[nels25]

81. I also have a hunch that a brokered convention

of strained convention will lead to trouble to our down ballot candidates.

I thought the idea was to strengthen our numbers in the house and senate??

Not make it harder.

Convention fight may mean less of us in the House/Senate.

Is that a chance you want to take?

when it is over, it is over.

If this was a softball game and I was umpire it would be time to invoke the slaughter rule.

[juajen]

82. Both Humphrey and McGovern were weak candidates.

We know why Carter lost to Reagan and that was strictly because of the Iran hostage affair. Anyway, as ya'll are so fond of saying, "rules are rules" and taking your fight to the convention is not against the rules.

[WeDidIt]

95. No, but we are now in teh realm of negative returns

Every day Hillary Clinton remains in the race erases political capital.

If she is still around June 3, she will become the party pariah.

Her endorsers are now jumping ship.

If she keeps it up, her pledged delegates will jump ship.

she stands nothing to gain and everything to lose by staying in past May 20.

tehre is no longer any path whatsoever to the nomination for her. It's over.

[lumpy]

138. Exactly. Speaking of Humphrey, I was in a fog when I voted for

Nixon vs. Humphrey way back when. We were all sick of the viet war. I was disillusioned with Humphrey because of what I thought his hawkish stance, so I wasn't going to cast a vote all all. I listened to what I thought was great speech from Nixon rather reassuring us that he would get us the hell out of Vietnam; so He got my vote. I had been kicking my ass ever since by letting my Democratic party down during that election. I will vote for Obama if he gets the nomination, although I don't like the idea because Obama will have a worse time than Clinton winning the general election. I believe that is why Clinton is holding on.

[The_Counsel]

74. Her Being A Woman Has Jack Shit To Do With Anything...

...and you know it.

Yes, Hillary has 1600+ delegates. Yes, she has every right to carry them into the convention, just as John Edwards has every right to carry his 25 or so into the convention.

The problem is this: there is NO REALISTIC SCENARIO in which she wins the nomination. None. The lady is dragging this thing on WAY too long. She needs to suspend her campaign PDQ. At least then she wouldn't have to release her all-important delegates.

Hillary and Barack are "practically tied?"

:rofl:

[hokies4ever]

100. Yes, practically tied

I mean, what's a hundred or so delegates between friends? :rofl:

[The_Counsel]

103. Sorry ... Lost My Head. ;-)

That's like saying the Colorado Rockies should at least share the World Series championship with the Boston Red Sox 'cause they only lost the series by four games. I mean, come on! They were "practically tied!"

:crazy:

[hokies4ever]

107. It's like youth sports

Everybody is a winner! Yeah! :rofl:

[nels25]

76. I shudder to point out that in the cases you cited

we as a party did not come out of it so well.

Can you say the words President Reagan twice (due in part to Kennedy v Carter, Hart V Mondale)

Jerry Brown was considered nothing more than a minor nuisance, never a factor, bad example.

Take it to the convention if you wish, but prepared for the consequences.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

89. Hmm... Jerry Brown, Ted Kennedy, and Gary Heart.

What do these three individuals' presidential aspirations have in common?

Oh, that's right:

[lumpy]

111. Point well taken, juajen. I will vote Dem if Obama gets nom,

even tho' I don't think he can handle the job as well as Clinton with her connections and experience.

[karynnj]

114. It is not because she is a woman

It is, ironically because she is running closer than in most other cases. No one cared about Dennis Kuchinich in 2004 or even Jerry Brown in 1992 because the nominee was 100% certain seen to be Kerry and Clinton respectively. Kerry had actually clinched the nomination after SuperTuesday with his wins in NY, CA and MA and other states. By late spring, Clinton had a hard time getting the final delegates - but Brown was nowhere near getting them - he simply was keeping Clinton from getting the needed pledged count.

You are wrong though in saying that Ted Kennedy didn't get calls to withdraw - he did and he got a huge amount of criticism. He said he stayed in because of issues - which Clinton can't really claim - though many did not buy that argument. In fact, the Kennedy analogy may be the most relevant - which is ironic. He did have (and has) a block of supporters who were a key part of the Democratic base. Other things are different - Carter did not have the enthusiasm behind him that Obama did and there is no mainstream alternative liberal, like John Anderson. The similarity - at this stage - was that the continued campaign could hurt the nominee.

[sentelle]

148. what does gender have to do with anything?

Yes, it is statistically *almost* impossible for her to win. Most objective talking heads have now called Obama the nominee.

If I were running Obama's campaign, I'd take that concall to the superdelegates and ask them if they want to go on record supporting this. And running as if the convention has already happened. No more debates with her, no more mention of her in speeches. You know, act presidential, and contrast to McCain. At a certain point the media will ignore her as they ignored jerry brown.

Is that sexist? Only if the media ignoring a spoiler is considered gender specific.

[juajen]

63. I've asked this question before about why Hill should shut it down

when previous candidates have taken it all the way, without nearly her support or delegates, and, somehow, I never get an answer. Anybody want to explain why she should quit when previous candidates have not?

[WeDidIt]

68. EVERY TIME IT HAS HAPPENED IN RECENT HISTORY

THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE LOSES THE GENERAL ELECTION!!!

In 1968, the brokered convention lead to a loss by Humphrey to Nixon.

In 1972, the brokered convention lead to a loss by Mcgovern to Nixon.

Even the Republicans experieneced it when Reagan took the 1976 Republican nomination to the convention and Ford lost to Carter.

In 1980, Kennedy took it to the convention and Carter lost to Reagan.

In 1984, the long primary challenge by Gary Hart ended up with the devestating laoss of Walter Mondale to Ronald Reagan.

Take ti to the convetion and JOHN MCCAIN IS PRESIDENT.

There is no way around that fact.

[grasswire]

109. let's look at another history of failures

...just to illustrate how stupid your "always lost the election before" theme is:

Jesse Jackson got 9,000,000 votes for president. He lost.

Al Sharpton ran for president. He never made it out of the primaries.

Alan Keyes, same.

So, to parrot your kind of logic about history predicting success, an AA man can't win.


I don't believe that. Nor do I believe that we can't win from convention on.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

135. Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun....

[SoonerPride]

75. Do you want to beat McCain or not?

Democrat first or Hill supporter first? Which is it?

She will not win the nomination, that much is clear.

Unite or die.

[seabeyond]

80. you wont acknowledge it doesnt work. why do you keep asking? n/t

[lumpy]

141. Because some have HOPE ?

LOL

[high density]

86. She should shut it down because it damages our nominee, Barack Obama

McCain is getting away with murder while we talk about flag pins and sniper fire. This isn't good for the party or our nominee.

[juajen]

90. When was Aslan Obama crowned?

NT

[seabeyond]

94. she CAN NOT win. those are four very simple words. n/t

[lumpy]

144. Why ?

x

[shellgame26]

124. You are making yourself so obvious

The die-hard Hillary supporters on here have such a virulent and irrational hatred toward Obama, then accuse everyone who doesn't support Hillary as being misogynists. Sounds like you have a little racist chip on your shoulder.

[lumpy]

147. And you are such a sweety using the race card !

x

[shellgame26]

160. I'm telling it like it is sweetie

The term "using the race card" was invented during the 90s as a way to muzzle anyone who spoke out against racism. Sorry, but I'll continue to speak my mind. Hillary Clinton clearly HATES Barack Obama. And it clear most of her supporters feel this way too. This is patently obvious now. I'm sure if he was a white candidate instead of an uppity black boy she would've conceded long ago. The sting of who is beating her is too overwhelming. Go ahead. Accuse me of 'using the race card again'. I WILL NOT BE CENSORED!

[high density]

125. Last night

Unless your avatar can pull out 70% margin wins in the remaining races, he has won the pledged delegate count.

[Triana]

91. The DNC should shut it down for the good of the party

YES

THEY

CAN

[lumpy]

143. Don't you have confidence in your candidate

or the Democratic party? Most of your compatriots think Obama is a shoe-in in the general election.

[high density]

153. I have plenty of confidence in the candidate

The media and voters, not so much.

[hokies4ever]

101. Nobody likes to talk to a brick wall

You've already proven yourself to lack listening skills. That's why most people are ignoring you.

[maxrandb]

104. I'll answer your question if you answer mine

"How many of those nominations that went all the way to the Convention, resulted in anything other than an "EFFING" LANDSLIDE VICTORY FOR THE REPUKES?

[LSK]

129. John McCain n/t

[book_worm]

72. It's now time for the super delegates to lead her out to pasture.

[Triana]

87. The Clintons - STILL race-baiting eh?

"BUT HE'S BLACK! He's not like US!'

[meow mix]

98. how to lower my opinion of hillary?

its bottomed out already

[MessiahRp]

105. That's okay, all she is doing is ensuring that she will have lost a ton of her own money

I hope the Obama campaign refuses to pay off her campaign debts and lets her hang herself with her stubborn ignorance of the facts. She can continue on, Obama will clinch the Pledged Delegate win soon enough and Super Delegates will bolt to his side.

Then he doesn't owe her nothing. Not a VP nod, not campaign debt relief, not even a nod to someone she would prefer to be in that VP slot. Nada.

And her political career will be over.

In every instance of going to the convention to fight over the nomination in Democratic history, the candidate that did so never had a viable Presidential candidacy ever again. Hopefully this will end it for the Clintons once and for all.

Then what a happy day next January will be. We'll have both President Obama and the end of the Bush and Clinton dynasties all at once!

Rp

[lumpy]

119. I'd sure like to know where most of you Obama supporters

were the last crucial general election in 2004. You certainly weren't giving 'your all' on this forum for the Democratic candidate in 2004.

[Vinca]

121. I was on the Kerry site. You got a problem with that? nt

[lumpy]

126. Didn't you notice I said MOST Obama supporters were not

around? No need to get your nose outta' joint. If you recall we didn't have this much action on DU last GE.

[marlakay]

131. I was here and for Kerry not here much now

because too much fighting....

[stillcool]

132. Me too!

I was a lurker here, and joined around the time of the election, but spend most of my on-line time at the Kerry site. It's amazing how many Democrats here really dislike Kerry.

[LSK]

130. I was n/t

[4themind]

136. Maybe some of them were too busy, volunteering,in person

and if that's the case hopefully it'll pick up to an even greater amount as G.E. rolls around THIS time. Others perhaps weren't even old enough to vote at that time, and having the power to do so now, can stimulate interest for some. Just a few possiblities

[MadBadger]

142. I was busy wishing I was born eight months earlier

[Lucky 13]

157. You have your head up your ass.

In 2004, I was in Kerry headquarters phone banking my ass off and I drove from DC to Ohio to help put up signs in the "end game".

And yeah, I was on DU then too, but had a different screen name. In fact, I've been on DU since GWB's inauguration in 2000.


Sore loser. Shove off.

[SoonerPride]

161. Obama expanded the electorate and brought in millions of new voices

Haven't you been following the news?

Or did you think they made that up?

[lumpy]

152. Well my motto is: there can be good in almost anything,

even if it brings out the worst in people. I'm glad there are more people taking an interest in politics, a very important component that affects our very lives. This is something I have been hoping for all of my life. Maybe it has taken a strong black man and a strong woman to bring people to the political table.

[nvme]

156. As far as Kerry

I was a Dean lover. I admired his grassroots appeal he was a prelude to Obama. When Kerry got the nomination i know it was a foregone conclusion we would lose in november. His gaffe with hunting his drunken lookin heiress wife all but assured our inevitable loss.
If Clinton manages to secure the nomination it will be through underhanded tactic that we have seen thus far. Her campaign is fatally wounded and poorly run. The example of changin campaign managers and pollsters proves that the direction was wrong. "kitchen sink"strategy only serves to divide and conquer at a time where Unity is needed.

Yes Obama has been weakened somewhat in this process, but this is not fatal. May to November is a very long time given the current political climate. The winds will change. America hungers for the hope that Obama stumps for. 8 years have been a painful lesson for this great nation. One fact clearly overlooked with in all this back and forth. Obama during his time at Chicago U was a professor of constitutional law. His understanding and teaching of constitutional law will be beneficial toward unravelling the gordian knot Bush has left for us. Perhaps a return of civil rights might be in order.

The race baiting is veiled. Ever since civil rights movement the racist elements of our society have had to adapt to new realities. It is unfashionable to say the" N "word. You can't say,"because he's black". New phrases like, "rural voter or does not attract white voters" will replace it. Since when has attracting 90% black voters been a bad thing?
Obama never ran on a " Black Platform", from what i recall he was running a Unity message. He avoid many Afro-centric events. He was criticized by many in the black community for not being black enough. Ironic.
When Bill Clinton attempted to minimize Obama's SC victory, that is when the racial issue entered the frey. Obama's camp pointing out this fact also played into the hotbutton of race. The problem is when blacks saw that Obama was infact a viable candidate that is when they rallied. As has been demonstrated in primary after primary Black's are the most loyal constituents in the democratic party.

Blacks have longed for participation in this process. They have fought, sweat, been beaten and died for the opportunity to be truly American. Through out our history this particular group has been on the receiving end of some of the greatest atrocities that can only be comprehended by one other group, the Jews.

So to say that Obama will not be able to attract the votes is misleading. Obama can and will recieve the traditional democratic voters. He will win in the big states. His message of Unity Hope and Change echo through out the country. the Traditional states will vote for benefit of the country.

[ecstatic]

164. does anyone have audio or video??? nt