My god....it is really hard to be gracious to her when she continues to act like she won last night.

[KansasVoter]

Her campaign is all over the TV this morning saying that she was 7 down in Indiana and came within 2 points.

But every poll showed her winning by a large margin. Some showed 18 points.

They are quoting a OBAMA INTERNAL POLL to make this claim.

Hillary fans, this is why us Obama supporters have a real hard time with Hillary. She will say anything and do anything to make it look like she still has a chance. Her EGO is what is scary.

Desperation is not "fighting".

Why in the world can't she just be classy and tell her surrogates to shut up?

I am so disappointed in her.

[NJmaverick]

1. Is there any doubt who is responsible for the rift in our party?

she is shameless and uncaring. Which is why she is not going to be our nominee.

[SunDrop23]

2. I'm not worried about being gracious any longer, I'm focusing on the WH run!

YES WE CAN!

[babylonsister]

3. The latest is she 'loaned' herself over $6.4M last month. Whatever

became of that $10M she 'earned' after PA? Their whole campaign - smoke and mirrors, believe nothing, and that's even more disappointing to me.

[futureliveshere]

6. True... Just heard this on npr and my first reaction..WTF

Very wierd campaign she has run. But she has a lot of supporters whom we will need for November.

[meow mix]

11. time to rake in some intrest off her supporters contributions.

:puke:

[woodsprite]

20. Maybe the $6.4 was figured as part of that 10 mill total. n/t

[babylonsister]

25. Ha! Nothing would surprise me. I've noticed they haven't made

much mention of their winnings since the day after PA.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Fear not

we long ago gave up any expectation of graciousness from you guys.

[Mudoria]

10. Isn't that the truth

[grantcart]

27. and now all thats left is for you to decide how much longer you are going to let

Clinton take you down the low road

[MonkeyFunk]

41. I don't think she's taken the low road

any more than obama has. And to go by the candidates' supporters here on DU, Obama clearly has the lowest, meanest, nastiest, most dishonest shithead supporters.

[Indiana_Dem]

5. Yeah, I can't believe what I'm hearing from her campaign and on CNN--

Real Clear Politics had her average as +5 and the last individual state polls had her way up! I just don't understand.

[Bill219]

7. Wolfson is on MSNBC spinning right now

[goclark]

13. It's called moving the bar

She needed blow out wins from here on out before last night.

That did not happen, AT ALL.

Now we hear last night was a split ~ it was not.

A split would have been that she creamed him in Indiana and he won NC.

He won and won big in NC and she had a Guam in Indiana.

[XemaSab]

31. Remember, polls only count people with land lines and likely voters

Make of this what you will.

[yourguide]

8. Bingo.

Wolfson on MSNBC now. Not conceeding, talking about loaning themselved MORE money.

HANG IT UP!

[4themind]

9. The internal was from 3 MONTHS ago

maybe even further than that, but that's when the press got a hold of it. No one is going to believe that an internal from that long ago before wright/bitter/ and all of the other momentum shifts in this race would still be valid as to what the campaign was expecting now. The question they should ask is, what information do they have on the obama campaigns most RECENT internals (which I highly doubt they know), to justify their "obama-doesn''t-meet-his-own-expectations meme. Heck What were THEIR internals from that time relative to now, that's what the pundits should ask them (although I doubt they'd get a straight answer on that). My advice is just let the absurdity sink that meme like the dead weight it is.

[patrice]

15. Incidental > Obama's expectations > Our phone campaign exceeded its goal by almost 32,000 calls.

I haven't seen any official announcements about this; will look around.

[patrice]

12. So let's be gracious to her supporters instead, the ones who want it, that is. Since she can't hurt

Obama anymore, let them have what dignity they have left and make friends with those who deserve it. This is the part where you local organization is going to be absolutely crucial in what happens next.

[archiemo]

14. Hillary always UP in Indiana

Why couldn't one pundit last night confront the Hillary camp on her constant "We came from behind" BS in Indiana? It makes me want to hurl my TV out the window when crap like that gets said (over and over) and no one has the balls to counter!!

[high density]

16. CNN.com is playing up Indiana for all it's worth.

The "race" goes on according to them. Of course in this race, Clinton is behind by an infinite number of laps, but it goes on according to CNN. The win was "split."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/06/primaries.change/index.html

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. She came up 3 points short in IN, and 6 points short in NC

If the race for the Democratic nomination were literally tied heading into last night, Clinton would have done well with the actual final results. Indiana really was always a toss up State, the first one we have seen vote at least since Texas, but maybe since Missouri and New Mexico. Chicago virtually borders on Indiana, some of Chicago's literal suburbs voted last night. Given the lop sided margins of defeat that Clinton suffered in some states during February, holding the margin to 16 points in a State with a third of the Democratic electorate being African American was a respectable showing for her in North Carolina. She is poised to beat Obama by larger margins soon in West Virgina and Kentucky.

Under the circumstances though it was too little too late, but I understand why Clinton can take some pride in how she did last night.

[babylonsister]

18. She was way ahead in IN; it was hers to lose from what I read:

and I'm not rubbing it in, but I'm sick of people who claim she came close to beating the odds because she was the underdog in IN (not that you said that, but I've heard that a lot). She was the presumptive winner, did win, but not by margins she can be happy with.


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/indiana-is-hillary-clintons-to.php

Indiana is Hillary Clinton's to lose and here is why...
By HillaryClinton08 - April 25, 2008, 12:27PM

...Hillary Clinton won Ohio & Pennsylvania because of Race, according to exit polls.... lets compare those two states to Indiana.....

There are more Caucasians in Indiana then there were in Ohio & Pennsylvania which favor Clinton, also Indiana has more Hispanics too which favor Clinton, more asians which favor Clinton and there are less African-Americans in Indiana then in Ohio & Pennsylvania...about 8% to 9% are african-american which with that little number does not bold well for Obama.... Also....

Hillary Clinton has the backing of the following:

Evan Bayh, Current State Senator and former governor
Joe Andrew, Former DNC Chairman
Phoebe Crane, DNC member
Dan Parker, DNC Member
Bob Pastrick, DNC Member

She has more endorsements in that state in Obama... Also, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and Chlesea Clinton have visited that state over 50 times...way more than Obama.

Polls show a tight race before Clinton won Pennsylvania....what will they show leading up to May 6.

Anyways, Indiana is for Hillary Clinton to Lose.

[Orsino]

19. She did win last night.

She won Indiana, and won a lot of votes in North Carolina. These are things for her and her campaign to celebrate, and whether or not I support her, they mean she cannot and will not be ignored at the convention.

She has to act like a winner, right up until the moment she concedes. This is what all politicians do, or should do, though it sometimes defies logic.

[pnwmom]

21. Voice of reason.

Something we seldom run into around here lately.

[roguevalley]

30. but its couched in delusion. everyone else left when it was clear.

her actions show real or unintended petulance.

[Orsino]

32. No one else had anywhere near the chance she has of a strong position at the Convention.

If Edwards is still important, Clinton is a hundred times more so.

I don't think we need to assume delusion on her part. She may really, really want to be VP, since it appears she wont' win the nomination, and in that case she still needs all the money and delegates she can get to cement her status.

[NoFederales]

38. Obama doesn't need what Clinton may "want" (VP) and neither,

I believe, do Obama supporters consider Clinton a ticket asset. She is a Senator from NY, she may remain so, but her corporate style politics is completely out of sync with Obama. Obama is yet to be saddled with the baggage Clinton carries--he doesn't need her.

I would strongly reevaluate Obama if he let himself get cribbed up with Clinton on the 2008 ticket. Richardson would make an excellent VP, and there are others significantly ahead of Clinton. Is she not tough enough to bow away gracefully?

NoFederales

[GoesTo11]

22. They're mixing up what Obama's team "predicted"

The famous Obama delegate spreadsheet did in fact have him winning Indiana by a small margin. But for each state in the spreadsheet, they were making their best prediction just after Super Tuesday, knowing at that time that they were behind in most of the polls in most of the states. Their "projections" were trying to predict what they would get on primary day after executing plans to narrow the gaps. So, they projected going from way behind in some states to losing narrowly or winning narrowly, or going from close to substantial wins. In Indiana, they projected achieving a 53-46 win, and ended up at 49-51. This doesn't mean they thought they were ahead, but they thought they could get ahead and instead they just made it very close (in NC, they projected an 8 pt win and actually won by 15).

The projections are impressively on-target, by the way. Even though they were made months before everything, I think that they would rate as more on target than most or all of the actual pre-election polls like SUSA or Zogby.

[pnwmom]

23. When has any politician ever -- including Barack -- NOT declared victory

after a win, no matter what the margin?

Once again, it seems Hillary is expected to adhere to a higher standard than everyone else.

[NJmaverick]

24. Please consider taking the pledge

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5863437

she has been campaigning for 15 months, I think it's reasonable to give her a day to accept what has happened.

[NightOwwl]

26. Is anyone really surprised by this?

She's not going anywhere...we are going to have to put up with this kind of bullshit until the convention.

[tridim]

29. I'm surprised, I thought she was smarter than this.

Her ego is freaking scary, this isn't going to end well.

[suston96]

28. She did win last night.....She won Indiana and she won 42% of the vote in North Carolina.

42% of a vote in a state that has a 33% black voting population? But here is a little perspective for the super delegates to think about:

Look here: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Then follow links: Obama v McCain and Clinton v McCain:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May07.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May07.html

[EmeraldCityGrl]

33. Soon, the crowds will smell blood...

she'll start getting booed, it'll get ugly and the MSM will not protect her.

That crowd last night was distracting during her speech. Did you see that guy shoving his kid in the camera?
They're there to get on camera. I hope she has enough sense to see what's coming.

[BlooInBloo]

34. There is absolutely NOTHING to be gracious *about*. She says the fight continues...

So the fight continues.

Graciousness is what happens AFTER the fight - not DURING the fight.

[helderheid]

35. I'm curious how much Operation Chaos cost Obama in IN

[Arugula Latte]

36. I agree. It is so hard to be gracious when she continually makes my blood boil.

I just want her to go away ... far away. I've had more than enough of her and her lies and her ego and her hubris and her b.s. and her exaggerations and her spin and her obfuscation.

[Vinca]

37. I'm trying as hard as I can not to comment on her, hoping this will

work itself out quickly via superdelegates moving decisively.

[LSK]

39. TURN OFF THE TV AND GO FISHING FOR A FEW WEEKS

We need to heel and these types of posts do not help. Be the better person and look the other way.

[L0oniX]

40. My message to Hillary and Hillary supporters....

[LVjinx]

42. Not helpful, democrats need to be united for November, or we lose.

Clinton supporters already feel antagonized, why push even more of them out? The number who aren't sure they'll support Obama been rising 5% a month since the start of the campaign, and now stands at 40%. And you're trying to make them angrier?