Shocking revelation: the netroots doesn't represent the entire Democratic electorate.

[NJSecularist]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/clinton_obama_dropping_out_dem.html

by Mark Silva

Most Democrats are likely to get their wish tonight, with the results of the Democratic primary elections in Indiana and North Carolina, if polling is any indication.

Six in 10 Democrats say Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama should continue their presidential campaigns, the Gallup Poll has found.

"Of the minority who would like to see either Clinton or Obama drop out and concede the nomination,'' Gallup's Jeff Jones notes, " more call for Clinton to step down than Obama.''

There are some 187 pledged delegates at stake tonight in Indiana and North Carolina -- 72 in Indiana, 115 in North Carolina. But if the polls prove predictive, these both could be very close contests, effectively splitting the pledged delegates in the two states between the two Democrats.

With Obama holding a nearly 150 pledged-delegate advantage over Clinton heading into these primaries, that makes the most likely result of tonight's results more campaigning for the hearts of the party superdelegates who have the power to settle this race as they press ahead with a final month of primaries.

"There have been calls for Clinton to drop out, given Obama's lead in pledged delegates, which he built up in a string of primary and caucus victories in February,'' Gallup's Jones notes. "Those calls have been quieted to some extent with Clinton's big wins in the March 4 Ohio and Texas primaries and the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. Even so, she is unlikely to overcome the delegate deficit unless she can convince a disproportionate amount of undecided superdelegates to support her candidacy.

"Democrats' opinions about the next steps in the campaign are, not surprisingly, highly influenced by the candidate they currently favor,'' he adds. "Obama supporters are about evenly divided between favoring a continuation of the campaign and wanting to see Clinton drop out and concede to Obama. Clinton supporters mostly favor having the campaign continue, obviously to allow Clinton a chance to catch up to Obama, while the remainder say Obama should drop out.''

So the netroots doesn't represent the whole Democratic electorate? I'm shocked. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

It comforts me to realize the amount of extremists that want Hillary to drop out despite the fact that she keeps winning states is only a small portion of the electorate, and apparently most of them are isolated in one place, residing their own bubble on the netroots. The netroots tries to represent their feelings that Hillary needs to drop out as the opinion of the majority, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

The majority of voters think that Hillary should keep campaigning after tonight, regardless of any netroots spin. :hi: :hi: :hi:

[2rth2pwr]

1. Obama hasn't won anything for months.

[IronLionZion]

4. except for delegates, which don't count

:rofl:

[2rth2pwr]

8. Superdelegates are what's going to count this year.

[IronLionZion]

12. Because Democratic voters are chopped liver to you. nt

[PVnRT]

14. Then I guess it doesn't matter whether or not MI & FL get counted, right?

I mean, since the popular vote is irrelelvant if the superdelegates decide things, right?

[IronLionZion]

19. The best way to resolve this is to just ask George W. Bush to decide.

He is the president after all. And he said he's the decider. so.... :rofl:

[Chulanowa]

47. Obama wasn't on the MI ballot, and many Florida voters stayed home

Clinton won by default, not by merit.

Now if only both states hadn't screwed themselves out of being counted!

[IronLionZion]

16. Many of the superdelegates who have endorsed Obama.... don't count.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

While you are busy not counting...Obama will win the nomination.

[Tesha]

20. And Obama continues to win Supers, too. So where's your point? (NT)

[futureliveshere]

6. You work on a different calendar do you? Define months?

[TahitiNut]

18. '2rth2pwr' measures it in moons.

[2rth2pwr]

24. More than 1.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. May 3rd was more than 1 month ago?

There's that Clinton math again.

[2rth2pwr]

36. His last win was way back March 11th.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. His last win was three days ago.

In a little place called Guam.

If you paid attention, you'd remember.

[2rth2pwr]

42. that was a tie, in delegates.

[JerseygirlCT]

44. So you're moving TX to Obama's "win" category ?

He took the most delegates there.

[onenote]

13. Apparently you've been in a coma for months

Let's look at the last three months:

PRIMARIES;

FEB-- Obama wins 13, Clinton wins 8

MARCH Obama wins 2, Clinton wins 3

APRIL Obama wins 0, Clinton wins 1

MAY: TBD


And that doesn't bother to include caucuses and conventions, where Obama has far more wins than HRC nor does it include the all important race to pick up superdelegates, which Obama has been winning in recent months, to the point where Clinton's SD lead has almost evaporated.

Hope this helps bring you up to date.

[Tesha]

21. (S)He was thinking of the months of...

August, September, and October. It was those "months"
when Obama failed to win anything. ;)

Tesha

[kmsarvis]

37. Im tired of this stupid ass argument that ........

"Obama hasn't won anything for months". There has only been one contest,PA, since he won Mississippi on the 11th of March.

[virtualobserver]

2. It is amazing to have a poll where 15% think that the person in the lead should drop out

A poll question that ridiculous is rarely asked.

[AllentownJake]

3. She can campaign till August

It isn't going to do her any good.

BTW that 23% is the people who won't vote for your candidate if she excercise the Nuclear option I've been talking about.

[scheming daemons]

5. Your buddy Tropics has switched back to Obama today.... We'll leave the light on for ya tonight....

...when we expect you to return.

[cali]

7. I have no problem with Hillary continuing through the last contest

She can do anything she likes to lobby SDs. But if and when SDs put Obama over the top, she damn well should bow out.

[NJSecularist]

9. She is not bound by any rules to drop out.

Superdelegates are soft support. They can change their minds at the convention. That is what Hillary is counting on if Obama gets enough superdelegates to reach the 2024 threshold by the convention.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. If Obama gets to 2024 by the convention, the SDs are NOT

going to hand it to Hillary. Her ONLY chance is if he stalls out and is significantly short of the 2024. There's no sign of that happening.

He'll come out of today with a net gain of 10, I'd bet, by handily winning NC and losing IN by less than 4. They both gain delegates, but he continues to gain more than she does.

[KoKo]

10. I'm Netroots and think the Campaign should continue...even to the convention

and there are other Netroots Activists who feel that way, too. It's time to have a brokered Convention. It's been a long time. And, just because the Media keeps claiming that because Brokered Conventions mean a loss for Dems in the General Election...we need to remember every thing about this election has been "different" and surprising...so this time it could very well be different. And, it's not up to the Media to call the shots for Dems...it's up to our ourselves.

[cbayer]

15. Well said.

Contested elections, though difficult, are ultimately good for the system.

The last truly brokered convention resulted in a nominee that went on to win four GE's. Now, that's a pretty good outcome.

[IronLionZion]

30. Yeah, it's too bad that JFK lost badly in a landslide

because of a brokered convention. Just imagine what could have been if only he had dropped out like a defeated dog. :silly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_US_Presidential_Election#Democratic_Convention

Obama supporter here loving the fact that Democratic candidates are going to places they don't normally go and directly meeting people and listening to them and earning their votes. They're not just campaigning, they're building the party. This is turning out to be a very Democratic year, especially in local races. This is a banner year for firsts: woman, black, hispanic, italian, divorcees, cancer survivors, fund raising, record voter turnout, etc

There are many fools who will tell you "no you can't". Fuck them. Fortunately, the Democratic theme this time (even for Hillary) is "Yes We Can!".

[AX10]

49. Al Gore could the candidate in a brokered convention.

[blm]

11. Shocking FACT: Corpmedia's been lying to public that Hillary can still win and THAT is why

the public doesn't KNOW that Obama has had this won since shortly after Super Tuesday.

Hillary2012 intends to keep this lie going as long as the corporate media provides the cover for the lie.

[NJSecularist]

17. Hillary can still win.

No amount of netroots spin can change that.

[blm]

22. No - she can't. McClatchy surveyed the supers and HRC has KNOWN since shortly after

Super Tuesday that they were overwhelmingly in Obama's column even though they did not want to go public until after Clinton dropped out. They were being kind and trying to keep the party image together and Clintons have chosen to match their tactfulness with deceit - as usual.


Don't even try and snow me - I know what the newsrooms have INSIDE and UNEDITED.

[NJSecularist]

25. You trying to present yourself as some inside source...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[blm]

31. Laugh all you want - others here know better.

.

[NJSecularist]

32. Yes, others know better - but certainly not you. n/t

[blm]

35. You're welcome to PRETEND you know me all you want, but enough here DO KNOW

me in real life - enough to know that I speak the truth about what really goes on in newsrooms.

[NJSecularist]

39. I don't care about what happens in the newsrooms.

I care about your deliberate dishonesty over the situation at hand in the Democratic party.

[blm]

40. It's the truth...and I posted about it when I first heard what the news orgs. had in early March.

Too bad that you can't accept it, but I know for a fact what the survey said before the story was heavily edited.

[TahitiNut]

23. Uh-huh. Well, make yourself WEALTHY!

Put your money (just $21.30 per share) where your mouth is!

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=177134

[Tesha]

43. How ae you feeling about that this morning? (NT)

[blm]

53. heh - plus that HRC aides are admitting they knew she lost on Super Tuesday.

Wonder if the knowitalls who challenged my credibility will offer apologies......eh....I doubt it.

[KoKo]

27. blm....she's still getting votes. She has supporters...why should she drop out

when the Primaries are so close? Nevermind....we just disagree on this. I voted for Obama today...so you know.

[NJSecularist]

28. Not to mention she keeps winning important big states like Ohio and Pennsylvania by double digits.

Why would she drop out?

If Obama wants her to drop out, he needs to prevent her from winning!

[IronLionZion]

33. yes, double digits like 9.

[blm]

29. Not the point - the corporate media has been CREATING a scenario the voters are reacting to but

it is NOT THE TRUTH.

The public thought Mission Accomplished was a wondrous point in our history, too, until the FACTS became known - but the corporate media keeps playing the lies and YOU are left believing the make believe is not harmful. It IS.

[Texas Hill Country]

41. shocking!!!

lol

[BlueJac]

45. A recent poll might help, that was prior to May 6th.

[whatchamacallit]

46. It's over. Give up the ghost so we can all be at peace.

O8)

[BlooInBloo]

48. (shrug) She wants to keep fighting, so we'll keep fighting.

[LVjinx]

50. She shouldn't drop out, but she also can't win at this point :(

So she needs to work towards reconciliation now. I've posted a million times it feels like that her staying in the race will keep enthusiasm going, and she can direct that in a positive direction. But it must be acknowledged, it must, that Obama's lead is insurmountable in pledged delegates AND popular votes. Even FL and MI won't change that now. She should stay in, in case something DOES happen between now and August, but there must be a public acknowledgement that Obama will likely win, and a very nice congratulation to him.

Otherwise, I don't see how the mending that will be required for us to beat McCain can begin.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

51. Imagine...

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama hold a JOINT press conference, a veritable love fest where they acknowledge each others great qualities ( they both have a great deal to offer),
Hillary vows to work tirelessly toward Obama's election and Obama admits her support his crucial to his election. She will restore a great amount of respect ( not to mention influence)
and we can all live happily ever after.

[Sundoggy]

52. Don't be afraid

of mathematics. Math is our friend.