"Edwards bounce" evident in new state polls

[DaveSZ]

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Kerry 332 Bush 195

http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html

Kerry 327 Bush 211,

[sybylla]

1. Wow, Wisconsin went from Barely Bush a week or two ago

to Weak Kerry now. Excellent!

[JI7]

2. Edwards in the primary in Wisconsin came close to Kerry

because he got a lot of Republican and other Conservative support since they have an open primary. i'm sure with kerry picking edwards for vp many of those people who previously did not support kerry have now moved into the kerry/edwards side.

[Tweed]

3. Close? I thought Edwards was 20 points behind...

N/t

[JI7]

4. in wisconsin Edwards was 20 behind but gained a lot of support

from republicans and independents who made up their minds AFTER that poll with edwards behind about 20 points was done. and the voters that edwards gained were similar to the undecideds in the poll which showed edwards behind . so almost all of the undecideds had ended up voting for edwards.

these people are not loyal democrats so that's why they probably were not supporting kerry until kerry made edwards vp.

[spooky3]

6. Kerry won WI 39-35 over Edwards

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/17/elec04.prez.main/index.html

"Independent voters, who could vote in Wisconsin's open primary, made up about 30 percent of Tuesday's electorate, and they broke for Edwards by a 12-point margin, according to exit polls. However, actual Democrats preferred Kerry by a 20-point margin."

[AP]

7. Kerry: 39.6%, Edwards: 34.3%, and Edwards closed something like

20 pts in 4 days.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/WI-D.phtml#0217

[Tweed]

8. Oh, that's right, I was thinking of every other state in the union besides

South Carolina. Thanks for the link. I had forgotten it was so close in Wisconsin.

[AP]

9. Like IA? K: 37.1, E: 32.6, or GA? K: 46.8, E: 41.4. Or OK? Or NC?

[Tweed]

11. Excatly like those states!

Kerry beat Edwards by an average of 20% across the nation.

[AP]

12. They were all less than the 20% you have fixed in your head.

Why do you dislike Edwards so much?

[Tweed]

14. ?

What do you mean by 'they'? Why are you obsessed with Edwards so much?

[DjTj]

15. "They" means Iowa, Georgia, Oklahoma, North Carolina, South Carolina,

and Wisconsin, like this thread is about.

...and if you don't know why AP is obsessed with Edwards, you haven't been on DU very long...

[AP]

17. Heh heh.

I wrote my last post before reading yours. That's too funny.

[AP]

16. I mean about 1/3rd of the first 15 primaries (the only...

...seriously contested primaries) didn't conform to your memory.

And if you don't know why I'm so enthusiastic about Edwards, then you haven't been reading my posts.

But I know you have, because you've frequently responded to them with negative comments about Edwards.

So I know you know why I like Edwards. I'm just curious about why you don't. And you're not all that up front about why you don't. Usually you just jab, without offereing the coherent argument about why you're jabbing. But there are so many jabs, there must be a logic to it, right?

Do you see Edwards hurting the market for theater managers?

[Tweed]

19. I've made my feelings for Edwards clear in the past.

We've argued to the teeth. You don't know how to read if you don't know why I don'e like Edwards.

But apparently you want to bring out the skeletons. I think he is too ambitious and should slow down. I don't think he is ready to be President. I don't care about any other a couple of historical figures in the past you want to bring up as you have SOO often. I think it's an insult to the people you have compared Edwards to in the past. He's a good man. You've mentioned many good things about him in the past and I agree. Is he able to win or help out on a campaign? Sure! He's got a great smile and great hair and he speaks well. Is he ready to lead the free world? I don't think so. A great man needs to lead this country. Edwards is a good man, not a great one.

[Cuban_Liberal]

22. Apparently Democrats think he's better than anyone but Kerry,Tweedtheatre.

Since he kicked the living snot out of every other candidate running, except Kerry, including your hero...

:wtf:

[Tweed]

24. Which is fine! If he helps get Kerry elected then great!

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:


I'm not saying that everyone must agree with me. I didn't start a post in GD: Election 2004 saying "Edwards is not a great man". I'm responding to the question "What don't you like about Edwards". Did I say anything about "everyone else is wrong!"? No, all I said was that my gut feeling is that I don't think he is ready to be President. Nice comment about Wesley Clark. I forgot that when everyone thinks something is right, it's right. I'll remember not to question authority in the future. :eyes: Thank God your hero doesn't have that attitude. He wouldn't have won all those cases in the past.

[AP]

23. I just think it's so strange to be so passionately opposed.

I'm glad that people who really want to contribute and change society for the better don't slow down. I'm glad they want to give as much as possible as soon as possible. I don't think society gains by puting people like John Edwards on the back burner to simmer a little longer.

Also, I don't think of being "great" as being a prerequistite to lead. I'm glad America pulls its leaders out of the masses. I think great is what we call people after we see what they've done after they're gone. When they're alive, we identify the ones with the capaicity to be great and give them a chance to show what they got.

I don't think people would have said Lincoln was a great man in 1861 (and thus deserved to be president). But I think he pretty clearly had a resume that suggested that he was going to do the right thing and that he might be pretty good at it if he were president. I don't think it's an insult to Lincoln to say that Edwards at this point in his career has some things in common with Lincoln at the same point in his career.

I also think it's an extremely conservative impulse to want to be led by your betters, or to think that the world is so dangerous that people who come out of the middle and working class can't govern it effectively. As things get more dangerous, I think it becomes MORE important to be lead by people who know what the middle and working class experience of the world is (and the reason it is dangerous in the first place might be because people like that haven't be leading it).

[PurityOfEssence]

10. Edwards beat Kerry in three states

He won SC by 15.5 percent.
He beat him in NC by 24.4 percent, and that was after he left the race.
Although Clark edged him out by less than 4 tenths of a percent in Oklahoma, Edwards took second and they both beat Kerry.

Numbers. Funny things, huh?

[Tweed]

13. Numbers, yes

You, not so much. Kerry beat Edwards by an average of 20% across the nation.

[AP]

18. Did you think he beat Edwards in every state by +20%?

If not, then why are we all even talking about this?

[Tweed]

21. I was making a general statement which was true for the most part

But you had to blow it up. I have no idea why we are still talking about this, perhaps we shall agree to disagree?

[AP]

25. These numbers are facts. You can't agree to disagree about them.

You didn't think Edwards was closer than 20% anywhere?

The only reason I keep responding is because rather than acknowledge the facts, you use the opportunity to saracastically jab at Edwards. If you want to claim you're not doing that, fine. But that's why I'm responding...in kind...and not "blowing it up."

[Cuban_Liberal]

20. Isn't Edwards-bashing in poor taste, at this point?

He is (or will be shortly) our VP nominee...

[yellowcanine]

5. Looks as if Arizona may be moving back into the Kerry column.

electoral-vote.com has it at "Barely Kerry" while electonprojection has it "Close Bush"