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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:24 PM
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Uh Oh Its getting Nasty: Cleland calls Chimpy a Liar
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 05:24 PM by BrentTaylor
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:26 PM
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1. Of course not
Kerry's "moving to center"
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:08 PM
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14. I think the Center agrees w Cleland
EOM
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Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:27 PM
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2. The real question Kerry is going to have trouble with is
this comment, also in the article.
They're going to be hammering on this every chance they get.

"I would remind you that the president's opponent looked at that same intelligence and made the same decision to support the use the force to remove that regime from power," McClellan said. "I know he's all over the map since that time."
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:34 PM
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5. My question on this --
Did Congress get to see ALL the same intel as the WH or just the stuff the WH cherrypicked? Was the info give to Congress "filtered"?
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Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:37 PM
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8. I'd like to know too, I'm guessing it was filtered.
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 05:38 PM by 56kid
Not that the repugs are going to volunteer that information.

Unless they are pushed hard.

But note McClellan is saying they looked at the same information.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:38 PM
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9. Exactly
Senators don't get the same briefings the Prez does every day, for starters.
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Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:57 PM
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11. Then Kerry needs to point this out
if he hasn't already.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:11 PM
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16. But who Believes Snotty Scotty
This BS only works w "true believers"

Most people who supported the war did so because they believed Pres Bush.
Most people (check the polls) now believe that Pres Bush either lied or exaggerated the evidence.



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Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:21 PM
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17. I hope you're right
But he still needs to be called on this b.s.
I don't think the election is a lock for Kerry by any means.
& the public opinion seems very volatile to me still.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:27 PM
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3. It needs to be said, and often.
It needs to be a Democratic "Talking Point", as much as I hate the idea. Here's the phrase.

"President Bush lied."

Say it often, say it daily, say it every time a camera is pointed in your direction. The only difference is that this Talking Point happens to be true. Eventually it will seep into the collective conscious of America and everyone will "know" that he lied.
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jarab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:58 PM
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12. Agree completely ......
The "lie" word must be used often.
...O..
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:30 PM
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4. Boy lets hope so
The Dems need to get down and dirty once in a while. We cannot let these so and so's run all over us and not put up a fight. Tell 'em Mr. Cleland! And Kerry, back him up on this. Please.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:34 PM
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6. Unfortunately...
... the wingers will simply say that it's sour grapes on Cleland's part. He lost to the White House's hand-picked candidate, and he's still grumpy about it.

One thing, for sure--the Repugs are always quick with a smear in answer to any question, and as long as the press never follows up on the allegation, they continue to get away with it.

But, yeah, it was high time someone in the Democratic Party spoke the truth.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:37 PM
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7. this is coordinated
Cleland is not a loose cannon.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:10 PM
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15. I'm With You
NT
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 05:40 PM
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10. What's the problem with calling Bush* a liar? What's so nasty about that?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:06 PM
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13. Go to yahoo and and rate the story highly. . .it was being freeped earlier
coming up now. . .
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