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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:40 PM
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Conason does damage control for Blumenthal, claims recipients unlikely to believe RW charges

Did Sidney Blumenthal cross the line?

Some bloggers accuse Blumenthal, a Hillary advisor, of spreading right-wing lies about Obama. But I get his e-mail blasts and the charge isn't fair.

By Joe Conason

May 2, 2008 | First let me confess that I am now and have for many years considered myself a friend of Sidney Blumenthal's, the senior advisor to Sen. Hillary Clinton and former Salon columnist. I should also acknowledge here for the record that, like a number of his other friends, I receive daily e-mails from him on a wide variety of topics. Those e-mails, which have included everything from Doonesbury cartoons to YouTube videos, screen captures, poll results, right-wing screeds and the occasional scholarly article, must number in the thousands by now because sending those blasts has been a Blumenthal habit since long before he joined the Clinton campaign earlier this year.

If this were a more sane campaign, those mundane messages would be of little interest to anyone else. But now Peter Dreier, blogging on the Huffington Post, has suggested that Blumenthal crossed a line by sending out negative articles about Sen. Barack Obama that have appeared in the right-wing media. And Dreier, along with several other bloggers, also seems to believe that the recipients of those e-mails, especially the journalists, ought to have "exposed" Blumenthal for "spreading" the calumnies and criticisms that appeared in those articles -- which included some far-fetched smears of Obama and his associates.

<...>

The clear assumption behind Dreier's blog post is that Blumenthal somehow endorsed the specific content of every negative story he sent out. But that assumption is logically flawed because among the items he has regularly sent out is a daily blogosphere roundup authored by Clinton staffer Peter Daou -- which invariably included negative posts about Clinton herself, her husband, her staff, her campaign, her finances and so on, as well as upbeat posts.

<...>

Glancing over the assortment of people on Sid's list, some of whom are well known, it should be clear that none of them was likely to credit or repeat the scurrilous nonsense spread by Accuracy in Media, to take one of Dreier's examples. Nobody on that list would believe that Obama shares the political views of an alleged communist whom he knew as a child -- or for that matter that he approves of the Weather Underground bombings carried out by Bill Ayers, which took place when the Democratic front-runner was 8 years old.

<...>

Occasionally some of Blumenthal's friends expressed objections to the items he sent out, and I sometimes replied to him with a mocking jab myself. But those were all private exchanges. I reject the idea that I am obliged to report on my conversations, whether electronic or verbal, with a campaign aide, even on the most controversial matters.

When the Clinton campaign distributed stories from discredited right-wing publications to attack an Obama advisor in March, I wrote a column noting that it had crossed a line and that Clinton herself was coming perilously close to imitating her old enemies. But in that case, her campaign aides were openly endorsing nasty, inaccurate attacks on Gen. Merrill McPeak in the American Spectator and World Net Daily. As I said then, I believe the excesses of nitpicking negative campaigning have diminished both candidates, but especially Hillary Clinton. (I doubt Sid liked that column much -- or many of the columns I've written about this campaign and his candidate, for that matter. But he still sends me clips, links and polls, many of them quite useful to anybody covering this campaign.)

Recitations of fact won't dissuade people who are determined, for their own opportunistic reasons, to promote conspiracy theories about Blumenthal and to impute some kind of "guilt" to anyone associated with him. I know because I've been through all this before on a much larger scale.

It is easy to pretend that Obama's political problems are somehow Blumenthal's fault or the fault of a dozen people who received his e-mails. The only problem is it's not true -- and the accusations won't help Obama.

(emphasis added)

Nobody likely to believe it, huh? Was George Stephanopoulos on the list?

Interesting that Cosonan states that there was objection, including his, to the distributions of some of this material. So why did they continue distributing these "screeds" for six months?

Cosonan's piece just proves involvement by another person directly linked to Hillary's campaign, Peter Daou.

Hillary's campaign has been exposed. This is damage control, and not very good. Why is Cosonan doing damage control? The basic argument is that these communications were private (to people in the media?).

Hillary, Ickes and Wolfson have some explaining to do.










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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:42 PM
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1. Joe Conason has long been a Clinton defender
He's about as objective in this race as Blumenthal himself.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:43 PM
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2. Prepare to be spun.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:51 PM
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4. Kooky spin. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:44 PM
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3. LOL. Some damage control.
He didn't do anything bad because nobody believes him anymore.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:56 PM
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5. Hillary's campaign is bankrupt
in more ways than one.

it is past time for her to get out.

goodbye. go home. work to gain some respect after these last two months of sleaze.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:03 PM
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6. Daou's involved in this, too?
Wow. I'm utterly unsurprised that he'd be wallowing in the mud. :puke:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:05 PM
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7. Yeah, the media would never run with lies against Obama 24/7 for months....
:sarcasm:

Meanwhile, where is the Clinton camp's explanation for her team's involvement with the robo-calls?

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:28 PM
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12. Not a peep about any of it. n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:07 PM
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8. Not surprising, hit and run smear tactics
Interesting that someone felt the need to interpret those emails without actually showing their content. We're just supposed to take them at their word?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:52 PM
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9. "Clinton herself was coming perilously close to imitating her old enemies."
Edited on Fri May-02-08 05:52 PM by ProSense
What hit and run? Conason is making excuses.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:05 PM
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10. With all due respect
to Mr. Conason, it would be an error to judge Mr. Blumenthal's actions based on what those who were on the other end thought. The actual measure has to be what Mr. Blumenthal did, and that includes both "how?" and "why?" Mr. Blumenthal is 100% responsible for his actions.

It's worth noting that Sidney Blumenthal had passed "information" on to reporters during the infamous Ken Starr wars. In fact, he was called to testify before the grand jury about his actions. I have no problem saying that I agreed with his passing on information on Ken Starr, who was clearly an enemy of the democratic administration.

In this situation, Blumenthal was using identical tactics against a democratic rival in a primary. That hardly puts Barack Obama on the same level as Ken Starr. Yet Blumenthal's actions were the same. Again, it is an error to say that Blumenthal isn't responsible for disturbing behavior that has no place in the democratic primary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:15 PM
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25. Comfortable with the tactic, selling out for Hillary. n/t
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:45 PM
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11. I was curious how Joe Conason would feel about this, I guess he's okay with it
because NO ONE will believe it. Yep, No ONE would believe such vile shit coming from the RW, spread by a dinocrat.

I guess journalists have to PROTECT one another.


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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:36 PM
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13. Conason and Blumenthal have long been friends...
...if I remember correctly from his book about Monicagate. Sorry to hear him make apologies for him.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:37 PM
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14. I'm a fan of Conason...even though I'm voting for Obama in NC...I have a lot of repsect for him...
So...I take what he says as the truth of it...as to what he saw...and how he's dealt with it. Joe Conason is one of our BEST/FAIR Liberal Bloggers. I'm not gonna' throw him "under bus" because he and Gene Lyons, Murray Waas were the BEST DEFENDERS OF DEMS through the Ken Starr WITCH HUNT...when we Liberal Lefties and other Dems had NO OTHER VOICE!

I won't TRASH...them that brought us to "the dance of the devil" we seem to be living through. Their motivations gave us HOPE when there was NONE...the lone voce against the RIGHT WING...and I'll add Eric Alterman to that list of folks who saved our "sanity" against the RW ASSAULT in those "dark days" of Clinton Impeachment.

THEY are the reason there's a PROGRESSIVE LEFT...and we shouldn't now DISS THEM and throw THEM "under the bus" just because we support Obama. Just saying......
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:41 PM
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17. "Occasionally some of Blumenthal's friends expressed objections to the items he sent out"
Edited on Fri May-02-08 07:44 PM by ProSense
Too much in the piece show that the information was questionable. It's BS!

If Carville can stand up for a despicable character like Scooter Libby, I can see Conason trying to defend a friend. This, however, is beyond the pale.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:45 PM
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18. Don't we all have folks in our Friend/Family Sphere of Influence who "Go off the Grid" occasionally?
Do we cut them out of Family Activities? Isn't the Dem Party.......supposed to be ...BIG TENT? :shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:55 PM
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20. What does that have to do with distributing smear information on Obama? n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:59 PM
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21. They are PARTY OP's! THEY ALL DO IT! (sorry for Freeper Full Caps)
but THEY ALL DO IT... And, it's REPUGS who are doing this more than the two campaigns, in my humble opinion...for what it's worth. WHO has the most invested in KILLING Dem Grass roots? DLC and Repugs...but REPUGS the most...although it could (in my mind) come up with a "tie" for the worst...:-(
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:02 PM
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22. Sorry, not buying it. It's BS! Just like the last debate. BS! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:07 PM
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24. Also, two points from the piece that disproves the "they all do it" defense
Occasionally some of Blumenthal's friends expressed objections to the items he sent out, and I sometimes replied to him with a mocking jab myself.


When the Clinton campaign distributed stories from discredited right-wing publications to attack an Obama advisor in March, I wrote a column noting that it had crossed a line and that Clinton herself was coming perilously close to imitating her old enemies. But in that case, her campaign aides were openly endorsing nasty, inaccurate attacks on Gen. Merrill McPeak in the American Spectator and World Net Daily.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:13 PM
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27. It's good he was called down or "out" about his machinations....
Edited on Fri May-02-08 10:16 PM by KoKo01
And, that it was reported on. I see so many DU'ers quoting the "Politico" ...that rag started by Bush Supporters it makes me barf. So what if Sid Blumenthal sends around RW smears ...those who get them obviously took them for the trash they were...but maybe respect Sid's early work so they let him have at it but finally called him out on it.

That's a lot more Democratic than passing on "Politico, Newsweek and Time Mag's" biased against Dem's reporting without any reference that all of them are working for a Bush Supporter and Big Time funder or have always been in the "Repug/Powers that Be" Camp...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:19 PM
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28. Hillary had no problem with Politico at the TBA conference. This has nothing to do with the issue
at hand.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:30 PM
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29. Well...I thought it did ...or I wouldn't have replied... Sorry ....n/t
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:38 PM
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15. I want to thank Joe for keeping this outrage alive. n/t
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:39 PM
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16. Wow. What scum.
"You guys are too dumb to get it."

Thanks Mr. Conason.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:02 PM
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23. I've respected Joe for a long time, and I don't think he's scum.
Just kind of missing the forest for the trees. He'll figure it out with a book two years from now titled "The Hunting of the Candidate".
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:47 PM
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19. that was a pretty lame defense, but at least he's loyal to his old friend.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:18 PM
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26. They WHY on earth send them out in the FIRST place
:shrug:

riddle me THAT..

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:33 PM
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30. why does Conason get column space to defend Blumenthal
news magazines and newspapers are not just vanity publications where we stand up for others in the business.

or are they? :shrug:
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