Ok I'm stepping in now.

[palindrome]

In case Du'ers who don't understand need to be told:

Enter the date that the scene in "War Room" was filmed.

George H.W. Bush, that's Bush 1 to some of you, is in the White House. He's the incumbent. He's supposed to win Indiana.

Bill Clinton polls well in Indiana.

In the White House, the president is pissed.

According to Kantor, the administration can't believe it: "They are shitting" (their pants).


How would you like to have been in the White House?

I wouldn't want to see that mayhem, but some of you I think would get off on it. :)

[indimuse]

1. K&R!!!

:bravo:

[DAGDA56]

2. It sounds plausable...and I'm a Obama supporter who thinks this

has already had a longer shelf life than it deserves...time to Move On (oh, wait...Clinton supporters don't like that term, do they?)

[palindrome]

9. No we don't.

But I like Obama just fine.

I giggle at endorsements from non-delegates, really. Rolling Stone, MoveOn, The Black Eyed Peas endorse Obama? Timbaland, Madonna, The New York Times endorse Clinton?

Why should their opinion influence mine? It doesn't, so I don't care. It amuses people like me though.

I always liked Obama and still do, but I think Hillary would be twice the president he could ever hope to be. My opinion. He's still a great guy and great candidate. His supporters here are kind of angry people tho. DU Obama supporters don't represent the great people I've had conversations with in the "rest" of the blogosphere.

He would not approve of DU language, Barack Obama... also my opinion.

[DAGDA56]

12. I suspect that once we step out of GD-P World...

...we actually have a lot more in common than we think.

[democrattotheend]

23. I agree

Especially in the context of "even if we don't win." I think what he might have been saying is "even if we don't win, they're shitting in their pants" because the poll was so close. But I listened carefully and I could swear I heard the "White N**gers" part...but maybe I was predisposed because that's what I read. I have the DVD somewhere so I will try to listen again tonight.

Either way, it doesn't really matter. Hillary wasn't in the room so I don't think this should be held against her, just like I don't think Reverend Wright's sermons should be held against Obama unless someone can prove he was there for one of the offensive ones.

[meow mix]

3. too bad thats not what was said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEuNIUb3Ges

[LSK]

4. stop it already, it is what he said

thats the doctored one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U&feature=related

4:40

[faithfulcitizen]

5. "Those people are shit."

[Cant trust em]

6. I'm really putting my partisanship in my backpocket for this one.

Sure, I could jump up and down about how bad this makes the Clintons look, but I'll choose to listen to my angels rather than my demons.

[yourguide]

7. Hmmmmm. are you suggesting all of this is out of context?

Where were you when Wrights words were also taken out of context?


Thats what I thought.

[PBS Poll-435]

11. This is beyond OUT OF CONTEXT.

The slur-cheerleaders aren't even using the right words.

[yourguide]

19. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

If you cant take the heat (slurs, lies, inneundo that you come back upon you), get out of the kitchen.

[PBS Poll-435]

22. You are equating two very different things. Is this "revenge" for you?

Is it ok to lie and do unethical things just to get back at Clinton?

Is that Obama would want you to be doing?

[yourguide]

25. Obama has nothing to do with this.

However me personally, considering how nasty the HRC campaign has been (reminder: NYT 'the low road to victory), I am enjoying this VERY much. In fact I hope it goes on for at least a week, maybe 2.

Karma is a boomerang my friend.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. Karma for what?

Fux Idiots acquire tapes made by TUCC for the purpose of fund-raising. They cut them up and loop them for a month.

What the fuck does that have to do with Clinton.

[yourguide]

And what does this have to do with Obama or Obama's supporters...

other than we can kick back and enjoy the moment?

[PBS Poll-435]

32. Obama's "Supporters" CAUSED THIS. Based on a lie.

Out of respect for the OP, this is our last exchange on the thread.

[yourguide]

35. This is a MESSAGE board, therefore I will respond as I feel fit.

Obama's supporters caused this about as much as Hillary's supporters caused the Wright nonsense. You can choose to take that however you desire.

Again if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen

[PBS Poll-435]

38. You would be rude AND ignorant then.

:thumbsdown:

[yourguide]

39. And you would be hypocritical AND self serving. Enjoy.

[palindrome]

28. quit flaming each other on my thread.

:) There are plenty of threads that want to bash one of the candidates for THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENCY or the other. I think that when Hill or Barack takes this, it MIGHT help up vs the republicans if we don't HATE the other frickin DEMOCRAT.

Sorry for the caps.

[PBS Poll-435]

30. Thanks!

I needed that slap in the face/bucket of water over the head!

I need a break.

:argh:

[palindrome]

16. This is Why I'm For Hillary. Wright did NOT affect me and I even like the guy.

Barack Obama is a great person, and it looks like he's the candidate with the best chance of becoming president. What more do you want? I was just explaining in layman's terms what the video said. Just because I support Hillary doesn't mean I don't like Obama.

And so you know: I'm not rich. I'm 28 and I work in a restaurant full time. When I cast a vote for Hillary, it's for a very good reason:

When you go to the supermarket, you can buy expensive cheese or you can buy a bunch of regular cheese for the same price, right? When I go, I'm humble enough to say, I buy the cheapest thing I can because I have to. Some do it because they're just good with money. I'm obviously not. I learned that I should get the most for my money.

In voting however, no one is rich nor poor. Everyone has ONE vote. Still, when I consider who and what I'm voting for, I feel I should get the most that I can for that one vote. Hence, my vote has nothing to do with a personality contest. I am flowcharting what I will get from each candidate, and Hillary is winning. That is mostly due to the breadth of her experience behind-the-lines in the Senate, the legal world, a Governor's Office, and the Executive Branch. I also keep track of what I'll get from Obama. I think he would have a very positive and successful presidency, sure.... he's a Democrat. Still, I've been waiting for the one argument from him that unfortunately can't be made: that I would get more for my vote if I voted for him. I know better.

[yourguide]

21. Hillary Clinton: "Rich people, God bless us."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64fDLplBfQ

[palindrome]

36. I saw that.

Did you not get it? O'Reily was complaining about how much money she'd take from him, and mentioned that she too was rich. Her reaction was a sarcastic "god bless us", for going through what O'Reily believes to be humiliation by having to pay for someone else. I was impressed that she got him to concede the point on subsidizing health care to those that suffer from MS. :)

[gateley]

8. Totally agree. nt

[PBS Poll-435]

10. This is so FUCKING ridiculous

Like FUCKING George Stephanopoulos & Mickey Kantor, two of the biggest uber-dorks/wonks are going to (on camera or otherwise) make crude insults to the people of a state and also make racial slurs that make no sense?

Really?

If you honestly believe that, you probably trap & kill small animals for entertainment.

[Beausoir]

24. Agreed. Beyond foolish for anyone to fall for this stuff.

[cliffordu]

13. K AND R!!!

[nichomachus]

14. I'm still puzzled

by the "those people" phrase.

Play over in your mind what you would say if you were talking about the people of Indiana and then starting talking about someone else. Would you use the phrase "those people."

It's just not the way you talk about someone who isn't already a subject under discussion. In normal conversation, "those people" usually refers to the last group of people you were talking about -- unless you immediately qualify it.

If he has said "Those people in the White House are . . . " I could buy it, but even that isn't the way people talk. "The people in the WH.." would make sense, but not "those people." Very puzzling.

[palindrome]

18. well just watch the video

if it even mattered... we're supposed to pick presidents for everyone, not for ourselves. It's our obligation to vote for who we think is best for everyone, so fighting because someone else supports another candidate is counter productive and our candidates are the ones who take the blame for our actions.

[jmg257]

27. They weren't talking about the people of Indiana - at all, they were talking about quite surprising

poll results. AND that led Kantor to figure the white house must be freaking out - they were losing Indiana, tied in Texas, etc.

He follows up with some kind of question to Steph... about "how would YOU like to be trying to..."

[LSK]

15. Randi Rhodes has been ripping on Clinton today WITHOUT USING THIS

[palindrome]

20. Maybe, but her opinion has nothing to do with what would get done in 2009

during a Clinton presidency vs. an Obama presidency.

That's the only argument worth having, in my humble opinion.

[LSK]

33. point being if the Kantor thing was real, she would be all over it

[palindrome]

37. Definately.

[democrattotheend]

26. What's she been ripping her for?

Either way, I am glad someone is. Not really, but just because I am sick of the press beating up Obama. I am sure there were periods earlier in the campaign when the Clinton folks felt this way.

[palindrome]

31. I felt that way, but I hardly wanted this to happen to Obama.

I wish the media didn't consider third person shit "scandals".

I mean, what if someone who works for someone who works WITH someone who works for Hillary did this?? OMG! She's toast! :)


The personality contest is the problem... these things have nothing to do with being president. It's about the person nor the personality, it's about the people.


Best of luck to your candidate.

[LSK]

34. one of the 1st callers said she had to act tough on Iraq and Iran to win

But she will not act on her tough words.

That set Randi off.

[Hissyspit]

17. I stepped in, too. Using your same logic.

And it seems to have been mostly a waste of time. DU used to be so much better than this.

Kantor says exactly what you'd expect him to say after seeing the great new numbers: those people must be shitting in their pants. How would you like to be in their war room?