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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:38 PM
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LOL at the Obama supporters who ran with the Kantor thing
Jump the gun much?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:39 PM
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1. Buy the original right here Hillbot:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Room-James-Carville/dp/B0002JUXDS

Kantor says the same thing. Not fake, Hillbot.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:07 PM
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19. And to save you time go to around 1:23 into the DVD to see the scene...
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:44 PM
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28. I'm luvin it.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:06 PM
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37. So sad. Already debunked.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:57 PM
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39. Keep trying
.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:41 PM
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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:41 PM
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3. You end up looking quite silly at the end of the day.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:11 PM
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23. That's not fair.
It doesn't take until the end of the day.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:12 PM
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24. I'm curious, when you circule a wagon, do you have to call a Rabbi first?
:rofl:
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:46 PM
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30. What?
Original Message
I'm curious, when you circule a wagon, do you have to call a Rabbi first?
Posted by Hoof Hearted



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Please explain? :shrug: I don't think I get the joke.

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To the OP I don't know why you're laughing about it. Though I now believe that this video is not what it was put up to be, the reason we believed it is because it wouldn't have been AT ALL inconsistent with what she has said in the past about white southern voters, nor with the tone and attitude of her campaign.

That's what you should be crying about.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:16 PM
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34. Here's the play by play.
Heartburn up there said: All you are seeing is more LIARS like Hilly...

...circuling the wagons and hoping people are as stupid as you are.


I simply wanted to know if it was customary to consult with a Rabbi before having your wagon circuled.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:57 PM
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40. How we doing now?
.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:42 PM
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4. People will believe anything
If it fits their agenda. Pretty classic mentality. If a bit sheep-like - but that's no surprise, now is it?

I'm LOL'ing right along with you!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:44 PM
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5. Really
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my2cent Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:46 PM
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6. The are desperate at this moment.
:rofl: :rofl: :spray:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:03 PM
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15. Who's desperate?
It ain't the Obama campaign who dispatched 50 new trolls to this board to spin this lie.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:54 PM
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7. LOL right back at you and your beer-swilling "down-to-earth" candidate. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:57 PM
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8. Doctored or not doctored, they are intent on blaming Hillary. She is a Machiavellian-Rovian dirty-
trickster who somehow KNEW the Obama supporters would try to make hay over this video. SHE KNEW, you see, and is now somewhere rubbing her hands together in Peter Lorre-ish glee.

Whatever.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:58 PM
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9. One word....
fingergate
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rentonpunk Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:59 PM
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10. Obama supporters make me so uncomfortable sometimes
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:02 PM
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:16 PM
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25. Please read your TOS. It is against DU rules to call someone out for low post count.
Name-calling is also against DU rules.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:10 PM
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41. Welcome to DU
it isn't always this bad.:hi:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:00 PM
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11. If you let the whore media and Camp Hillary tell you that your own ears are wrong
Then you're the one with the problem. Not me.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:00 PM
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12. You're right. Looks like Kantor didn't say those things. As far as I know.
I'll take him at his word on it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:03 PM
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14. It's great to watch spin unfold
In the footage, Kantor approaches the two aides and says, "Look at Indiana -- wait, wait, look at Indiana. 42-40. It doesn't matter if we win, those people are shit." That much seems true, though Pennebaker says Kantor was referring to the George H.W. Bush White House.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/02/clinton-adviser-claims-in_n_99810.html">link


Update 2: So we've got conflicting accounts on whether the more incendiary of the statements was doctored. The director of the War Room says the (n-word) is doctored, and gives the reason for the "shit" comment.

"He does not say that . He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.

"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."

Now, take a look at the explanation Kantor gave for the "shit" expletive.

"Indiana was not even on our radar screen," he said, "And I was talking about the polling and not the people... If you look at The War Room, this is not the way Carville or George interpreted my statement. This is frankly libelous."

Those two statements don't seem to match up.

Update 3: Fast and furious, Ben Smith at politico has updated his piece, saying he spoke to the editor of the YouTube video. NO ALTERATION, according to the editor.

UPDATE: I spoke to the editor of the video who said that he enhanced, but didn't alter, the audio in the second portion of the video.

Update 4: The first clip is "no longer available."

link


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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:04 PM
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16. Gotta feel just a little, itty bitty, teenie tiny bit sorry for a few of them. They wanted this BAD
Very badly, which, as it turns out, is how it was done. Very badly.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:46 PM
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31. And yet...
New threads with this bullshit are being posted here at DU and people are still insisting the guy said that crap.

If I were Kantor, I'd sue every single site that posted this crap - because no matter what, his reputation is damaged for life.

It's complete and utter bullshit and now I despise the Obama campaign and Obama supporters even more than I did before.

It's reaching a level of hate with me - though no nearly the hate the Clinton haters have.

I'm scared it's getting close.

I fell of the no DU wagon. It's clearly time for me to get back on it.

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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:04 PM
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17. SHORTEST FIRESTORM EVER!
:nuke:

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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:11 PM
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22. LOL. 0 to 60 and straight into a brick wall.
:rofl:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:06 PM
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18. LOL at the Hillary supporters who are to dense to realize
that he clearly says those people are shit even in the original movie.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 PM
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20. You know what I'm laughing at?
The Clinton supporters who thought it was real too, and defended it as being from the nineties.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 PM
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21. As soon as I saw the first reports
I was chatting with my bf and said "it's a lie". Didn't even look at the video.

If the Obama fans here are pushing an even slightly implausible story, odds are damn good it's a lie.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:41 PM
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27. Yeah sure you were
You are just so brilliant.. really you are.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:56 PM
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35. I was right.
If the Obama contingent here is pushing something, the smart money bets on "lie".
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:52 PM
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33. Seems Jake Tapper couldn't be shut up. It was true that kantor talked about Indianians.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:53 PM by wowimthere
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:19 PM
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26. They were quivering with job. Such clowns.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:45 PM
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29. I suspect that the joy you are feeling...
...is not unlike the joy you perceived in your political opponents.

And it's not something to be proud of.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:50 PM
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32. Well your post is obsolete... It appears that Kantor did say Indianians are shit. No one is pushing
the N word. But Kandor did take heat from the press for saying what you can hear on the real War Room tape. That Idnidanians are shit.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:04 PM
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36. It was an astonishingly ridiculous display. Their behavior hurts good Democrats everywhere.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:04 PM by Beausoir
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:09 PM
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38. Who will have the last laugh?
Jake Tapper at ABC News thinks its real - Kantor said Indianans are shit. True 15 years ago is true today.

Read it and weep:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5784621&mesg_id=5784621

:shrug:
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