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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:55 AM
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Kantor: Are you going to listen to me or your lying ears?
The audio is there and undoctored.

And honestly, the more this gets disputed, the better chance it will last through the weekend news cycle.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM
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1. debunked, you're too late
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:57 AM
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4. It's not debunked at all as a mater of fact... n/t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:20 PM
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13. Never check with the evidence
Rush to judgment.
Always the best way.
Jesus wept.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:00 PM
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8. It;s a controvery!
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM
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2. i just got on ED Shultz show to mention the versions are the same
glad i got on
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:01 PM
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9. What did he say? nm
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:56 AM
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3. He just admitted he DID say it, but claims now he was just misinterpreted.
From the MSNBC blog:

*** UPDATE *** Huffington Post quotes Kantor on what he meant by the expletive: "Indiana was not even on our radar screen," he said, "And I was talking about the polling and not the people... If you look at The War Room, this is not the way Carville or George interpreted my statement. This is frankly libelous."
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:57 AM
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5. He admitted to the "shit--" but he denies he said the slur.
Which is what is being debated.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:58 AM
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6. It's not libel if it's what he said. Interpretation in not actionable.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:58 AM by olkaz
Thanks for the text.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:03 PM
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10. Oh yes it is. Shultz played a doctored version
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:53 AM
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16. Just watch the video
Edited on Sat May-03-08 05:54 AM by Girlieman
His facial expression of contempt for the people of Indiana is pretty obvious. He realizes he's being taped, and he continues with some comments in hushed tones that are unintelligible. I agree with other posts that this doesn't have much to do with the current election. It does show in my view what a bunch of slimy operatives most people in politics really are.

If for nothing else, watch the video to see a younger James Carville with hair!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:59 AM
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:03 PM
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11. Oh yea!
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:06 PM
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12. I support Obama (requisite disclaimer)
Pumping this "distraction" goes against the Obama campaign rhetoric. It legitimizes everything and anything the Clinton or McCain supporters want to bring up that have nothing to do with presidency and everything to do with silly "gotcha" moments.

And that's all I have to say about that.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:39 PM
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14. Kicking this thread for your comment
Abso-fucking-lutely on the money. I am also an Obama supporter, and this (along with the "bless us rich people" crap) is brainless bullshit.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:46 AM
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15. Doctored or not, the basic fact is that it isn't at all clear what he is saying
That, unfortunately, frees people up to interpret it however they like.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 05:59 AM
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17. I See
Edited on Sat May-03-08 06:03 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
So if somebody sees Mr. X go into his house with his dog and there are no other occupants it's fair to infer that Mr. X took his dog inside to have coitus with her...And it's just as fair to infer that he took his dog into the house because people don't leave their dogs on the street...

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:04 AM
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18. WTF? n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:10 AM
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19. Hmmm
Edited on Sat May-03-08 06:11 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
You seemed to imply that in an ambiguous situation a person is free to make the most venemous inference...In this instance, Mr. Kantor was accused of calling the people of Indiana "white ni$$ers" and "shit" because what he actually said was inaudible... In my hypothetical instance we really don't know what Mr.X did with his dog when he brought her inside so we can assume the worst which I guess means assuming he had sex with her...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:28 AM
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20. I'm saying that in ambiguous situations that's exactly what people do n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:32 AM
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21. Respectfully, Shouldn't We Give Folks The Benefit Of The Doubt
Because we aren't sure what he said we shouldn't infer he said some of the most venemous things imaginable...

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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:37 AM
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22. Oh no. Supporters of hope, unity, and change have no time
for hope, unity and, change, It takes too long just to say the words.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:41 AM
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24. I Was Trying To Be Non-Partisan
I don't see the equity in putting the absolute worst spin on an ambiguous situation...
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:56 AM
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25. Hearing this after "fingergate" and Rev. Wright, well, it just makes you look awfully genuine.
I guess we'd be less awful if we were criticizing Hillary scratching her face?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:22 AM
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26. Oh noes she scratched her face? Quick bring out
Sidney Blumenthal rehash scandal.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:37 AM
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23. Agreed. The whole thing is trivial bullshit. If you want to despise Kantor--
--despise him for something serious like NAFTA.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:42 AM
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27. This Kantor thing is idiotic
Why are people even making a big deal about it? I am an Obama supporter, and I think that this issue is not only absurd, but can be framed by the media to backfire against Obama. Remember what happened to Dan Rather and the TANG story? The media made the story about the veracity of the memos, and that was enough to discount the entire issue. I see the same thing happening here. And, in any case, why are making a big deal about what some asshole said 15 years ago? I've listened to the clips, and read the different versions, and based on the context, it seems to me that the most plausible thing was that he was referring to the White House shitting based on the Indiana results, and I don't believe that he said anything derogatory about Indiana. Why would he be insulting voters in a state that they were winning that they were expecting to lose? It just doesn't make sense.
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