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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:48 AM
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Broken: Hillary Clinton Refuses To Debate (from my DD)
For anybody critical of Obama for not debating Hillary for the 22nd time...

Cross-posted from mydd
pinche tejano, April 28, 2008

There was a time when Hillary refused to debate, and to debate one of the most important issues facing a nation. Back in 2006, most might not remember she had a challenger in the Democratic race for Senator of the State of New York. Yes, a one Jonathan Tasini decided to take up the cause of the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party and challenge the then hawk Hillary Clinton to a debate. A debate that was sorely needed at the time.

Hillary Clinton refused to debate. She refused to allow a "Lincoln-Douglass" dialogue to occur for her constitutents, snobbing them all and her fellow party members. Clinton held a very elitist view that Tasini was not worthy of a debate, that his voice, the voice of the anti-war Democrats were not worth her time.

Then again, she was busy campaing for Lieberman at the time, so maybe she didn't have time to debate.

Maybe she thought New Yorkers didn't deserve to here about view and policy from another democratic contender. Maybe she thought, why worry her beautiful mind coming to terms with her war votes and cheerleading, which was a major plank in Tasini's platform.

Or worse yet, Tasini might bring to light Hillary's Orwellian ploy during the Working Families Party fiasco. Obscured by being a minor third party, Hillary made sure she was on their ballot as well. Except she ran with the slogan, "As an anti-war vote, vote for Hillary Clinton."

more:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/28/104541/280




NYT: August 21, 2006

With only a few weeks until New York's Sept. 12 primary elections, many people are probably still unaware that Senator Hillary Clinton is facing a challenge for the Democratic nomination. Her opponent, Jonathan Tasini, is low on almost everything, from funds to name recognition. Mrs. Clinton has successfully ignored Mr. Tasini all summer, and now it seems clear that she has no intention of responding to his demands that she meet him in a debate.

She should change her mind. In a year when New York has very few competitive elections, voters are going to get very little chance to hear serious discussions from the candidates. Since Mr. Tasini is running an antiwar campaign, it would be very useful for New Yorkers to have a chance to hear the two Democratic candidates debate that one issue.

New York voters have been exposed to all the political drama in Connecticut over Senator Joseph Lieberman, who like Mrs. Clinton supported the invasion of Iraq. She has been far more critical of the Bush administration's handling of the war -- a point the Clinton campaign makes pains to point out. But she has not been forced to discuss in great detail exactly what she thinks should be done now that things have gone so far awry in the Middle East.

Presuming she wins the primary, Mrs. Clinton will go up against a weak Republican candidate this fall. Anything can happen in an election, but there is a very good chance she could coast all the way to November without being tested on any important issue. Right now is a good time to make sure that does not happen.

link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/opinion/21mon3.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin




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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:54 AM
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1. LOL Hypocrit Hillary! Desperate in every way!
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:02 AM
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2. LOL Obama supporter hypocrisy...
everytime a Hillary supporter uses MyDD as a source, the Obama supporters attack the source. Hmmmm, amazing I do not see that now since that source has negative Hillary posts linked to here.

And the Obama supporters think Obama needs to keep playing chicken and avoid debates with Hillary but in the same breath want to mock Hillary for avoiding a debate in the past.

Every and Any thing is OK if Obama does it, and is a sin against the world if Hillary does it. :eyes:
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:14 AM
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4. WTF are you talking about?
I have not a clue what using mydd denotes history wise - I'm just quoting the source (who in turn quotes the NYT).

The point of my OP was to remind folks that Hillary only wants a 22nd debate because she is a political opportunist, and her intent has everything to do with doing all she can to win - not debate new issues yet to be vetted. If she was so dedicated to the value of debates, why did she refuse ONE DEBATE with Mr. Tasini in 2006? Same answer: because she is a political opportunist!

Calling Obama chicken for refusing to debate Hillary for number 22 is like calling a mountain climber "chicken" because he/she does not want to climb mountain number 22. What of the prior 21 climbs?

It is a ridiculous assertion.

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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:24 AM
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6. Obama has only faced Hillary one on one how many times?
4? That is a far cry from your 22 number you are touting.

I have seen MyDD ridiculed by the Obama supporters so many times, I will not link to it here because I know that is the majority of the response I will get..."myDD...bwahahha! Disreputable source..it's a blog...blah blah blah." You may not have done it but it is the norm around here.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:14 AM
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9. how many times
in the past in either presidential GE or primary debates have we had more than four one on one debates?

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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:07 AM
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3. Who is Jonathan Tasini?
You saw what happened to Pirro.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:09 AM
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7. Clinton's DEM primary opponent in '06 from whom she ran like a ...
>>Campaign for U.S. Senate 2006
On December 6, 2005, Tasini officially announced his bid to challenge Senator Clinton for the Democratic nomination in the New York 2006 Senate election. <2> Tasini, who needed to collect 15,000 valid signatures to force a primary with Clinton, submitted approximately 40,000 of them on July 13.

Tasini was endorsed by a number of prominent political activists, including Susan Sarandon, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Ehrenreich, and Howard Zinn. <3> On September 7, 2006, The Gay City News endorsed Tasini's Senate candidacy, citing his support for same-sex marriage, and Clinton's stated opposition to legalizing same-sex marriage. <4> In his campaign, Tasini emphasized his opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq and called for universal health care and curbs on corporate power as part of what he termed "New Rules For the Economy".

Clinton for the most part ignored Tasini's candidacy, refusing to debate him or acknowledge his presence in the race. She won the primary easily with 83% percent of the vote to Tasini's 17%. Afterward, she decided not to have a victory party, which analysts interpreted as a sign of "how she portrayed her opposition as not worthy of serious attention".<5> <6>>>



....frightened bunny. He's a long time politicial activist who unlike Clinton has actually *accomplished* a few things in life.

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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:17 AM
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14. Any local NY folk know why she refused even one debate in 06?
Did she even answer the question? What would be the reason?

Again, this gets back to Hillary and her surrogates suggesting that Obama is avoiding another debate.
Though why was it OK for her to avoid any debate with Mr. Tasini?

Will someone in the corporate media ask her that please!
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:25 PM
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15. She was ahead. Period.
The other guy had little $$$ and $$$ talks in NY politics even more loudly than elsewhere.

Keeping him away from free tube time was the aim... and it worked.

Most NYers... even most DEMs... were unaware she had an opponent.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:11 AM
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8. What happened to Pirro?
>>You saw what happened to Pirro.>>>
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:13 AM
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13. "...does anyone have page 10?"
:rofl:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:16 AM
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5. ,
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:15 AM
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10. Learned the wrong lesson indeed
she just copies the tactics used against her and uses them to hurt her own party.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:17 AM
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11. Thanks. Not only this, but Clinton Inc pulled strings ....
... behind the scenes and NY1 , the free access cable channel that would have sponsored the SEN debate, concocted 'made to order' rules to disqualify Tasini ( something like : you have to have raised 150,000 to show that your'e a , ummm, 'serious' candidate when they knew that Tasini had about 148 g's.


So our gal was home free. Tellin' ya... there is nothing so evil as evil pretending to be virtue.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:08 AM
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12. 100% hack.
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