DENOUNCE him! Why don't you DENOUNCE him?! DENOUNCE him NOW!

[EffieBlack]

Obama: I denounce him.

YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IT SOONER!!!

Obama finally did what many people called on him to do - in his own time and for the right reasons. But that's STILL not good enough for some people.

[IndianaJones]

1. the right reasons? because some of his comments were appalling? nt.

[stillcool]

36. Yeah. The truth is appalling!

but especially coming from a black pastor.

[jgraz]

2. I said it before -- he's going to have to kick Rev Wright in the nuts

Nothing else will do it.

[cliffordu]

4. FOCK!!!! LOL !!!!!!

[Swamp Rat]

19. I'll Rochambeau you for who gets to do it first.

:kick::D

[knixphan]

28. on WWF or something.

[scheming daemons]

3. Effie, relax. It worked. The dead-enders (Clinton supporters) would never have supported him no

matter what.....

[mtnsnake]

5. He shouldn't have denounced him AT ALL, not EVER. The media made a mountain out of a molehill

and he caved.

[cliffordu]

8. LOL Nice try. jesus.

[scheming daemons]

13. You spent the past two months beating Obama over the head with this.....

...don't pretend differently just because you "like" Wright now.

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[mtnsnake]

32. Refresh my memory and show me the posts then.

Obviously you've done a search or you wouldn't be telling me that, right?

Anyway, I must have forgotten how I've "spent the past two months beating Obama over the head with this", so I'll wait for you to link me up with all these posts.

[dionysus]

34. hey thereeee, mtnsnake, there's another candidate you should try...

bring out all the hope you hide, oh can't you see...
DU could seeee, a new mtnsnake!

[mtnsnake]

43. Why does Judith have her knees so close together when she rides?

:shrug:

[tritsofme]

6. We are in a campaign against you.

Of course its not going to be good enough.

[MercutioATC]

30. See, and that's the crux of the battle...whether the end justifies the means.

You've made it clear where you stand.

I don't think I've ever been so happy that I'm leaving the U.S. in eight years. You people can fuck this up all you want...base a strategy, a campaign, a philosophy on dishonesty. See where it gets you.

...and to be so cavalier about it...this country (well, a lot of it) has really lost its way...

[Coexist]

7. it will never be enough. nothing is enough.

just ignore them.

[hisownpetard]

9. Effie - Obama handled it perfectly, despite the hurt that was caused to him, both personally

and politically.

He was a gentleman. He was fair and forgiving. He gave Wright the benefit of the doubt - until his own sincerity was
called into question. He characterized Wright's 'performance' just as he should have and left no doubt about
how he feels on this issue.

NEXT!

[faithfulcitizen]

15. Agreed, I think he handled perfectly. I have to admit, I'm pleasantly surprised how forceful he was.

[EffieBlack]

18. I agree.

[maddiejoan]

10. If it's any consolation

I prefer Rev Wright to Obama.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. Denouncing isn't enough.

Obama should have pummeled him senseless with a 2x4 on live TV, preferably Fox News.

:sarcasm:

[mtnsnake]

14. LOL

:evilgrin:

[zulchzulu]

Obama took away Hillary's and the MSM's toy!

[scheming daemons]

16. Where's you get that great picture of Sean Hannity? LOL.....

[EFerrari]

12. My Ist ex-husband used to work for a furniture retailer.

"If I exchange your furniture, refund your money, and shoot the salesman, then will you be happy?"

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

17. You expected anything different? After all, goalpost moving is their specialty.

[ruggerson]

24. You know what they say

You gotta move the goalposts to where the pansies are

[Forkboy]

26. LOL

Troublemaker. :toast:

[jobycom]

20. Right after Karl Rove advised him to do it. Let's check the rest of Rove's list...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134322

2. When you get into trouble, pick one, simple explanation. And stay with it. Take the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. You said you weren't sitting in church when he said those ugly things. Two days later, you excused him, saying his comments didn't give "a well-rounded portrait" of him. Two days after that, you condemned his statements as "not only wrong but divisive" but still couldn't "disavow him" any more than you could your grandmother. Ten days later, you implied if Wright hadn't retired, you might have left his church. It would have been better to say from the start that Wright's words were wrong and offensive and you should have spoken out earlier. The applause would have been deafening.

[JoFerret]

40. Dogs

and careening buses don't mix

[jobycom]

41. But

Rove and Obama might.

[frogmarch]

21. It's good enough for me.

I thought Obama handled the situation perfectly.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. The storm in a teacup created by the right

and everyone is falling about. Let's move on.

[Rick Myers]

23. I thought you were talking about Bill Clinton

sorry...

[Blue_Roses]

25. no shit

it's ridiculous.

[Bluebear]

27. He could no more denounce him than he could denounce the black community!

:hide:

[PBS Poll-435]

33. So by that logic....

So, by Obama's own logic and corollary, what did he actually do yesterday?

Uh-oh...

[ellacott]

37. That wasn't based on what happened Monday

Because Monday hadn't happended when he made those comments. Why is this hard for some of you?

[stillcool]

38. It's too bad isn't it?

I sure wish the media hadn't played that selected clip 24/7 for 3 weeks running. I sure wish that as a result of that Reverend Wright had not gotten death threats, and his church been the recipient of bomb threats. I sure wish Reverend Wright had not felt in necessary to defend his Church and himself, and gone over the edge with all that truth shit. I sure wish he would have laid down and let the media and others kick him like a dog. Too bad Obama went to church. But why oh why is no one concerned with Hillary's spiritual adviser? Why was Hillary sitting in that Prayer Group for 15 years? What was she listening to? How do these people affect her judgement?

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
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Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.
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These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html

[Triana]

29. Effie, it wouldn't matter what Obama did, or when or how, it would have been blasted

by Hillary supporters (and even some of his own supporters).

He did the right thing, and did what he had to do but really, he was damned if he did or didn't.

I'm just really sad and pissed that he EVER was put in this position.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/opinion/30wed1.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. From a neutral perpsective, a political pet peeve is the call to "denounce" someone

Like after September 11th, all Muslims were supposed to "denounce" Osama Bin Laden. Environmentalists are supposed to "denounce" ecoterrorists. Everyone and anyone opposed to abortion is supposed to "denounce" clinic bombers.

For crissakes, what the hell is the point of stating the obvious, that you don't agree with the patently outrageous words or actions of a fringe player? I always thought that spoke for itself. Calling to "denounce" something or someone that obviously one doesn't agree with is the most futile thing imaginable, and really the only reason for it is so that people who dislike the person or group can make them look foolish by guilt by association.

This has nothing to do with Obama or Clinton. It's just always been a pet peeve of mine.

[Texas Hill Country]

39. about a decade late

[barack the house]

42. They know what they are doing. Nothing will be good enough he is making the right decisions...

Ignore the cable media tune into novamradio.com and headonradionetwork.com and life will be way better totally smear free.

[TragedyandHope]

44. Nothing will ever be good enough for THEM

They just move down their list to argument #2. "Oh yes, you've denounced him, but...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." It's endless.

Obama knew that and did it anyway to clear the airwaves for real issues before next week's Primaries.