The single oddest delusion of Clinton supporters--

[eridani]

--is that racists are not misogynists as well. If a voter is too racist to vote for Obama, then he (mostly he, with exceptions) is too misogynist to vote for Clinton. Those two attitudes go together like milk and cookies.

[izzybeans]

1. Ah but not all racists are men.

Over a hundred hidden Pastor Wright threads are case studies of this fact.

[HereSince1628]

3. I believe that is undeniable.

[PoliticalAmazon]

16. And some misogynists are women....

...well-programmed women who simply believe that a woman cannot do as good quality job in certain fields as men can.

[izzybeans]

17. Very true.

[RichGirl]

2. You're wrong.

Clinton supporters are not deluded. Racists and sexists are the same. All haters are the same...they hate themselves. Including Clinton haters.

[eridani]

4. Then why is Clinton using the "Obama isn't electable because of racism" meme?

Isn't she "unelectable" because of misogyny?

[Texas Hill Country]

5. it's not the racism thing... its the fact that the people that he surrounded himself with for 20

years hold beliefs that are an anathma to most americans.

[movonne]

9. And who has hill and bill surrounded themselves with..lots of unsavory

crooks and that will come out in the GE...and who has mc cain surrounded himself with, bush and many other unsavory kinds...that is politics...

[ClassWarrior]

10. "Beliefs that are an anathma to most Americans??" Is that how you regard Progressive Values?

Progressive Values are the best of American values, and according to statistics, most American citizens hold them strongly. Read Ruy Texiera's "The Emerging Democratic Majority."

NGU.

[AZ Criminal JD]

41. Progressive values?

Do progressives believe the government created AIDs to wipe out the black race? Do progressives believe 9/11 was some sort of deserved pay-back? Do progressives believe that whites are conspiring to under educate black children and give them ADD? Do progressives believe in blowing up government buildings as a means of protest? Do progressive believe in working for slumlords like Rezko? These are the "progressives" Obama has surrounded himself with.

[graycem]

15. How so?

To Republicans maybe... Americans, no. Luckily Obama's a Democrat.

[me b zola]

27. Like Barbara Reynolds?

You know, the Clinton supporter who organized Rev Wright's appearence at the National Press Club?

Should Hillary shun Ms Reynolds?

[Cheap_Trick]

29. Hillary has surrounded herself for over 30 years

with someone who believes that adultery is perfectly acceptable, beliefs that are anathema to most Americans. She has never repudiated him for it, so she MUST believe it too.

See? We can play your game too. Wheee! How fun.

[roguevalley]

30. you are ignoring the gorilla in the room. she is using the race card

and so is bill. undeniable.

[RichGirl]

7. Show me the direct quote where she says that.

I'm not interested in someone's interpretation of what she says.

[Moochy]

19. Words mean what they mean!

There is no subtext! :eyes:

[graycem]

13. Ah silly you!

She's only a victim of sexism when it benefits her during the primary. It won't matter in the GE. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

[pansypoo53219]

26. i think more of the

misogyny + bill clinton hate=mcinsain.

[dansolo]

34. Couple that with the rampant sexism in America meme

Hillary, when she is in victim mode, keeps insisting that she is doing poorly because of the rampant sexism in America. Doesn't that counter her electability argument?

[eridani]

35. Yes. Exactly my point n/t

[Indenturedebtor]

23. Actually I hate Clinton

Because she's done many things which have shown her character to be worth hating.

But yes I agree with the OP. However even the racists have a group that they hate most.

[donheld]

25. You can add homophobia right in with the other two.

But we must, and I'm sure most of us do, remember there are Women who hate blacks and gays. There are blacks who hate women and gays. And yes there are gays who hate blacks and women.

[SeaLyons]

6. I don't think the nominee will be

decided on the basis of race or sexism. I believe it will be decided on electability in Nov.

The negativity of Wright in the past few days is hurting Obama, but not based on race. It's based on judgment and character. He has lost support because of his decision to form a close bond with an extremist, and his refusal to cut him loose. Also his inability to fight for himself. He tends to hide or ignore that which makes him uncomfortable.

[Ken Burch]

11. A HRC vs. McCain race would be a Battle of the Bleak.

A race where no one cheered for anybody.

Dear God, why do you want to lower us to that?

[SeaLyons]

18. Your quite wrong...

Hillary supporters will be overjoyed. They will be cheering to the rooftops.

Go Hillary!!

[Hamlette]

12. Bummer

there was a time when democrats, especially democrats on DU, thought Wright was speaking truth to power and was not an extremist.

We cheered Ron Paul when he said 9/11 was blowback but when Wright says it he's an extremist.

Were you always this conservative or has supporting Hillary made you forget to check your gut?

[mcctatas]

14. And here I thought it would be decided on the basis of who has

the most delegates.....
:eyes:

[eridani]

31. If racism makes Obama unelectable, then misogyny makes Clinton unelectable n/t

[MyNameGoesHere]

8. Ahhh more hope, unity, and change. Delusional because we support HRC. Gimme more of that change

please, and a little helping of hope on the side.

[Windy]

20. Naive and uninformed.... is that delusional? you tell me.. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. Nah. Clinton supporters have two delusions that are odder than that.

First, that she has a chance of winning the nomination, and second, that she's actually electable in a nationwide general election.

[eridani]

33. The lack of electabiltiy has a lot to do with misogyny. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

37. Not really.

I have no doubt that there are many women who would be much more electable. Hillary herself is not; when the number of people calling a candidate 'untrustworthy' is above sixty percent in three consecutive national polls, that candidate is very probably not electable, for reasons that have nothiong to do with misogyny. A male candidate who was viewed as a liar by that many people wouldn't be electable either.

[eridani]

43. I agree that the trustworthiness factor is important and not related to gender

However, she is consistently playing the "race makes Obama unelectable" card, while also pretending that the people who fall for that are not also misogynists.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

22. I wish I could back you up on this, but in PA the white racists voted for Clinton 3-1.

more at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5719814&mesg_id=5719814

[yardwork]

24. But will they vote for Clinton over McCain in the general election? I think not.

I grew up among white racists. They are bigots through and through, and bigots are scaredy-cats. When it comes down to them standing at the polling booth with their sweaty little hands on the ballot, they will go for the Republican white man every single time.

[Toucano]

36. PA Rasmussen 4/24: Clinton 47%, McCain 42%

You might be wrong.

[Dr Fate]

39. Wait until McCain/Media feeds them one or two well crafted talking points.

If Hillary can convince these swing voters that ANY DEM is racist, elitist or unpatriotic, then it shouldnt be too hard for McCain with the full force of the media behind him to do it to her- ironically with the same issues & talking points even.

All these swing voters need to hear is a couple of lies & oft repeated smears- and McCain/media will provide that in spades.

[eridani]

32. And they'll vote against her in the general because they are misogynists as well

She has the highest negatives of any candidate left.

[Dr Fate]

40. You are right. Many in her working class base are easily lied to.

If Hillary can convince these folks that ANY Dem is unpatriotic or elitist or racist, then McCain (with the full force of the media behind him, no less) wont have any trouble pushing the same kind of buttons.

They dont call 'em "Swing voters" for nothin.

[invictus]

28. K & R

[Dr Fate]

38. The oddest thing of all is that no one refers to these voters as what they are: SWING VOTERS.

They are SWING VOTERS- and socially conservative swing voters at that.

They are not "the DEM base"- they are swingvoters who probably voted for Bush at least once and often vote Republican based on guns, gays, god, patriotism, etc. (I know, how elitist of me to state such a fact)

And they dont call 'em swing voters for nothing-they can be easily convinced that a DEM is "racist" and "supports terrorists"- for instance.

If she is handed then nom, Hillary's supporters may get to find that out once Mccain and the media gets to tell them a thing or two about her. LOL- something tells me these angry white wwing-voters will not be portrayed as mythic salt-of-the earth types once that happens.

[Dr Fate]

42. kick n/t

n/t