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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:08 PM
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Looks like Obama's candidacy has just derailed.
There's simply too much negative controversy surrounding Obama for him to get elected now, and on top of it all, polls show Hillary beating McCain by a considerably wide margin while Obama only ties McCain. At this point I'm afraid it will be impossible for Obama to win back those bitter, white, working-class folks whose votes he so sorely needs to win. It was certainly an impressive run, but it's over.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:10 PM
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1. Yup, Hillary has no "negative controversy surrounding" her
nope nope nope
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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13. But she is where she is even despite her negatives.
Obama's negatives are just coming to light and they're having a devastating effect on his campaign.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:14 PM
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22. "But she is where she is" - which is *behind* in delegates and stuff like that...
:evilgrin:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:35 PM
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50. Irretrievably BEHIND. Yep she is where she is all right, and there to stay
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:52 PM
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60. Just think where she'd be if the GOP got a hold of her. She's had it easy....
...because Obama doesn't want to get down to her level of Bush/Rove pig-slop politics.

Unfortunately, that is exactly where Hillary feels the most comfortable.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:37 PM
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76. she is behind, loathed by more than half the country and a git. His
negatives? really. Nice try. Oh, and Tuzla.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:16 PM
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27. Not yet anyway.
But "IF" she did become the nominee, then we will see a hundred times more "negative" stuff coming out on her by the republicans. No doubt at all in my mind that if Hillary were to get the nomination, the dems lose in November, and Rove, Rush, and all the other idiots in the republican party will have won!
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:10 PM
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2. You watch too much cable news. The last I heard
he was ahead in pledged delegates, popular vote, and money.

Turn off your TV for a few days.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:23 PM
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44. Ahead in pledged delegates, popular vote, and money!!!
Yep :hi:

Obama will make a great president!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:10 PM
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3. Well okay. Thanks for the heads up.
That clears it all up for me.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:11 PM
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4. In your wildest dreams.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:11 PM
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5. k&r - there has been a lot of damage done.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:36 AM
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113. By the HRC campaign, and for no good reason.
If they hadn't based their campaign on nothing but bashing, we'd be a lock in November.

Guess they don't care if the war goes on for another four years, or another hundred.

Guess they don't care if what's left of the New Deal dies.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:11 PM
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6. Asinine
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:11 PM
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7. Yep. That's why he's losing and bleeding SD's...
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 05:11 PM by Doityourself
:sarcasm:
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:11 PM
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8. Wow, astounding research there!
You're right, it's over.

For Hillary.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:25 PM
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46. Well, here's some REAL research for you
(not for Obama lovers - if you're an Obama lover, don't click on this link and read the story. Oh, and BartCop and I are only the messengers. If you have a beef about this info, please contact the author of the piece.)

http://www.bartcop.com/the-coming-attacks.htm

Bottom line: Obama is not only dirty, he is very dirty, and has consistently lied about the true extent of
his involvement with Rezko and Auchi. Reporters for both Chicago newspapers, the Tribune and the
Sun-Times, have also done a lot of digging on Obama, apparently over stiff resistance from the publishers.

I started my research by checking land records in Cook County (remember what I told you about librarians!). Curiously, I found no records for Barack and Michelle Obama for any "mansion," only for a condominium unit they had owned up until 2005. I only found the land records for the house he bought in 2005 because, when he released his 2006 tax return, the address was on the face of the return. Hint: in Lexis you can do public records searches on addresses as well as names. When the land records came up, mortgage, tax assessor, and deed records were in the name, not of Barack and Michelle Obama but of a "Trust #10209," listed at the Northern Trust Bank. The tax assessor records are even more interesting: the owner of the property is listed as one William Miceli, who it turns out is the partner of the community development law firm that hired Obama after he graduated from Harvard Law. More on "community development" later.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:35 PM
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51. No thanks.
If there were any substance to the Rezko story, the MSM would be all over it. And obviously they are not. Dead end.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:45 PM
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56. Wow, such blind trust in the MSM
When did they change into such trustworthy keepers of the public interest?

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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:48 PM
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59. Apparently in your Rezko wet dream, you missed this key article...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0316edit...

Therefore, Obama ≠ Rezko, however Clinton = Rezko (thanks to "Individual H" - which you NEED to Google)

Hawkeye-X
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:20 PM
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72. I don't have a dog in that hunt
I noticed that the paper did not ask any hard questions, or at least they did not report them. Hopefully, I also won't have to defend a corrupt candidate in the general. Just for fun, though, why was Obama's land purchase not done in his own name? Do you know of any other home investors who do that? What do you think, after thoughtful analysis?

And once more, I know I'll be attacked for this, but I hold Hillary to the same standard. I admit I don't much like either of them on a personal level, but either would make a fine president, particularly compared to our chimp in chief.

I want to win. Those who are unwilling to expolore the negatives are ostriches with their heads in the sand, because these things WILL be explored ad infinitum in the press between now and November. I say let's do our own vetting, BEFORE the candidates are cast in stone.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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15. Another exercise in ignorant irony
:P

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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10. So You're Predicting
that McCain will beat Obama because of the damage done by Clinton's attacks?
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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11. I'm going to start copying these ridiculous remarks and post them back after the primary
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:50 PM
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103. Yes. You do that.
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:03 AM
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108. ill put yours at the top :0
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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12. Wish for a pony while you're at it.
Obama and his campaign are more resilient than many of you want to admit.

- as
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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14. Hey, a GE projection poll: Hillary loses WI
Poll: Obama Performs Better Than Hillary In Key Swing State

My prediction: It's still over, Hillary has lost.


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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:17 PM
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32. Yet Hillary still performs much better than Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida
West Virginia, Arkansas... 5 key swing states.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:22 PM
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38. "My prediction: It's still over, Hillary has lost." n/t
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:23 PM
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43. Ignoring the facts again? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:35 PM
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52. Hillary is not losing? n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:44 PM
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101. ProSense often ignores facts, odd for someone with the moniker "ProSense"
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:19 PM
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93. Don't you know the difference between past , present and future tense?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:26 PM
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96. she can't even win the nomination, how the hell will she win a GE?
55% negative rating, probably even higher than that now, bankrupt, lost a huge lead in PA, more and more Democrats hate her and would sit out the election (count me among those), repukes hate her and would be motivated to vote against her come hell or high water, bleeding superdelegates (went from a couple hundred more than Obama to only 20 more than he), can't get enough pledged delegates to win the nomination, has turned people off by her gutter politics and treacherous backstabbing, flip-flopper on every issue, doesn't stand for anything, pathetically and embarrassingly desperate-acting, repukes have a warehouse full of dirt they can't wait to bring out about her -- IT ALL ADDS UP TO LOSER, which you know very well and gloat over--but your operation chaos plans are foiled.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:12 PM
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16. Yup. He had a nice run. But all good things must come to an end.
He can run again in 2016 after two terms of a Hillary Clinton presidency. He's still young.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:17 PM
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31. Or in 2012, after she loses in 2008 if she gets the nomination
I said that I will vote for her if she gets it, but I know a lot of people, mostly African American but some white people too, who will simply stay home if she is the nominee and they feel she got it unfairly. I went to NC over the weekend with a few other Obama supporters, mostly African Americans, who said that if she steals the nomination they won't vote for her, and I can hardly say I blame them. And even though I will vote for her, I'd be lying if I said there were not a part of me that wanted her to lose so that Obama gets another chance in 2012.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:23 PM
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42. Sixteen years of clintons makes me sick,,, I will write in Obama...
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:45 PM
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77. So will I n/t
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:31 PM
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49. I want to see what you say when she loses in November.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:56 PM
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123. NJSecularist, Tropics_Dude, other "concerned" individuals for Obama who now want Hillary till 2016
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 02:57 PM by Leopolds Ghost
The dirtiness of Clinton's multimedia propaganda game never ceases to amaze me.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:13 PM
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17. Anybody got that squirrel picture?
I didn't think to save it.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:14 PM
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24. This one?

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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:15 PM
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26. LOL!
Umm...not the one I had in mind, but it'll do nicely, just the same.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:16 PM
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28. How about this squirrel pic:
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 05:17 PM by azmouse



He sorta has this :wtf: look on his face.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:24 PM
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45. He does indeed
lol!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:13 PM
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18. This has been posted over and over and over....
And it's still a steaming pile of shit.

Can't HRC people get together and agree to post different things during the day?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:13 PM
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19. Obama's rating for honesty=60% ... Hillary=37%
Hillary isnt going to be the nominee, no one trusts her.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:13 PM
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20. Thanks for posting this-you're 100% right
I wouldn't dare post this myself as an OP but you're bang on.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:14 PM
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21. Fear, check
Uncertainty, check.
Doubt, check.

Thank you establishment.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:14 PM
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23. Say it enough on some internet forum and it becomes true?
Seems to be the logic of the HRC supporters here on DU.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:15 PM
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25. Links with facts? n/t
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:16 PM
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30. Ummm, did you watch MSNBC/CNN's coverage today-THOSE are the facts nt
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:22 PM
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40. Then you must believe Iraq has WMD's. CNN SAID SO!!!!
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 05:23 PM by votesomemore
Since when do informed progressives believe M$M?? Run for your lives!
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:36 PM
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53. Their perception is reality to more than 50%+1 of voters
Most voters do trust the corporate media. That's why Obama can't be nominated. He'll be killed in the GE.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:46 PM
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58. But you said what was on the teevee were facts. Now you say it's not about facts.

:eyes:

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:45 PM
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57. Um... no, I didn't. You made the post, I just wanted to see the facts.

But I guess you don't have them.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:16 PM
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29. There's no controversy. There's just white folks happily leaving at the first plausible opportunity.
(plausible to white folks, of course)

They congratulate each other, saying how they "really tried" to support the black guy, and reinforce each other that they're not racist. And walk away shaking their heads in faux-disappointment "it's such a shame that Obama guy didn't work out. He was so articulate. Well maybe one day there'll be a black person who truly deserves white support".

Good try indeed.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:18 PM
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33. Wright issue
It won't go away..it is here to stay. Unless he says something to distance himself, he is gonna get stomped.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:30 PM
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47. I don't care about the Wright thing...the hillary people are the only
ones who care...and the media which will go after hillary in even a worse way...that is why the repugs are going after Obama...
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:30 PM
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48. I don't care about the Wright thing...the hillary people are the only
ones who care...and the media which will go after hillary in even a worse way...that is why the repugs are going after Obama...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:27 PM
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87. Tuzla issue. Won't go away. n/t
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:18 PM
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34. How does this differ from what you said before?-nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:18 PM
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35. *sigh*
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:19 PM
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36. I support Hillary.
if Obama is the nominee I hope this reverend thing does not lose him the GE. I strongly support Hillary but understand that Obama will most likely be the nominee.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:07 PM
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86. I feel the same way. I hesitated to put a rookie in for this critical point
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 08:07 PM by Olney Blue
in history. But if Barack is our nominee I am going to fight for him to win. I'm worried right now about our party!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:28 PM
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88. He can manage a campaign. The 'experienced' candidate can't. n/t
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:47 PM
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90. She's still in the race- something is working!
:hi:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:34 AM
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110. If you call losing "working" n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:21 PM
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37. That would be a big, NOT. You people and your wishful thinking. Really.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:22 PM
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39. Been hitting that whacky-weed again, have ya??? Tsk, tsk.
:eyes:
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:01 PM
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80. i been smokin the wacky weed since 1974
and i never smoked anything that gave me the hallucinations that are neccessary to believe what the clinton supporters say and do

wonder where she gets that strong of a weed ?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:08 PM
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81. It's special strain of Hillajuana, I think.
I hear Bill gets it in cigar form. :evilgrin:

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:23 PM
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41. The AP/Ipsos poll does not constitute "polls"
It does not surprise me that the person who does not know the difference between singular and plural cannot count delegates, either.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:38 PM
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54. Oh my god!! You're right! It's over! A new poll favors Hillary,
and all of his delegate leads and SD's are just going to evaporate, god THANKS for telling Us!
ROTFLMAO
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:43 PM
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55. Not again. That's the 3rd time this month. Oh me oh my. What is I ever to do?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:53 PM
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61. Wrong. He's already won.
And welcome to ignore land.

You had an impressive run and now it is over.

Goodbye.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:59 PM
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62. "the sky is falling"
oh dear god, what are we to do?...what are we to do?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:04 PM
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63. Thank you for your concern. n/t
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:05 PM
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64. Yep, Hillary will have no opposition if she's the nominee. The GOP will be nice to her.
:sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:09 PM
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65. probably never in history has the country stood to gain from any candidate
Just having Mr Obama in the race has gained the US so much internationally- for his efforts to serve his country to be rejected because of stupid racism and the wilful ignorance of the pigmedia defines another in a long list of calamaties foisted upon a desperate people ...the idiots (rightwingers) lose by winning, and win by losing!
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hannybal Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:10 PM
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66. I think you exaggerate
Obama is still ahead in several polls. Indeed, he's not tied with McCain in Rasmussen, where McCain led for a long while.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:15 PM
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67. yawn
did somebody say something? must have been sleeptalking
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amelia Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:23 PM
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95. You should go to bed then.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:16 PM
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68. Hill will beat McCain a Hundred Leventy Two to Three!
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:17 PM
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69. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. Keep telling yourself that.
Keep remaining in denial when his poll numbers go up just like after Reverend Wright Round 1 ended.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:18 PM
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70. Hillary's candidacy has been off the rail for months.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:19 PM
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71. Two words: Gennifer Flowers
:rofl:
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palindrome Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:26 PM
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74. thats mean
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:28 PM by meniscus420
she's doing the right thing by staying in obviously if she's most electable. what if obama fell below mccain? would we rather lose the election than elect hillary? that's sad. i'm not taking sides on who would be better--both of them can't win, however.

edited to include:

honestly, whether or not HRC drops out has nothing to do with whether or not the news will play wright in the future. it does, however, have an effect on who gets the non obama vote. i hope it's a democrat personally.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:20 PM
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73. This thread has earned its Squirrel Award.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:26 PM
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75. I wouldn't count Barack out of effectively dealing with this. He's done it well in the past.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:27 PM by ChimpersMcSmirkers
I also don't think it really affects things that much. Wright has already been introduced. Obama dealt with it so effectively that it almost turned into a plus. He will probably be able to do it again. For all of his "noobie experience", he has shown to quite a master politician and campaigner, thus bourne out by him leading in all of the key metric of this race. Just watch and learn who you're dealing with.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:48 PM
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78. I didn't know the election was held today...
friggin dumbass.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:54 PM
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79. I think Carole King said it best: for you obama folk.And it's too late, baby,
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:55 PM by BenDavid
now it's too late. Though you really did try to make it. Something inside has died and you can't hide. And you just can't fake it.


and to those later on when obama concedes:It used to be so easy living here with you. You were light and breezy and I knew just what to do. Now you look so unhappy, and I feel like a fool.


Violins will begin playing next week......Tuesday night may 6 to be exact


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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:17 PM
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82. The Pennsylvania red-neck swing-voters will all be voting for McCain b/f its all said & done.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 07:20 PM by Dr Fate
Same in any state, really.

Look- if Hillary can convince certain swing voters that ANY Democrat is an "elitist, racist, unpatriotic terrortist"- then wait until McCain and the entire media gets to have a few 100 chats with them about the Democrat.

LOL- they dont call 'em "swing voters" for nothin!!!

And before you call me "elitist"-I'm not talking about the smart DEMS or the non-racist DEMOCRATS who voted for Hillary... the red-neck swing-voters I'm talking about are the ones who were easily race-baited by Hillary's Willie Horton style tactics and the ones who "are not ready for a black president"- These voters will easily be swung back to McCain...


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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:18 PM
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83. This is just a newscycle gone to Hillary. I was down about it earlier, but I'm going to buck up
because the math shows he'll get the nomination.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:31 PM
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84. Barack's been down before but not for long. keep watching the polls.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 07:32 PM by barack the house
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:45 PM
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85. Problem is Hillary has no road to victory in the electoral college.
Her campaign obviously believes they can win in Ohio and Florida, but they can't. She could flip maybe 1 state from '04. She isn't getting there.

That being said, Obama only has one longshot road to victory, and he has to run the table, which is close to impossible.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:29 PM
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89. You have never liked Obama too much.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:03 PM
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91. I hope you put your fireproof sharksuit on. The truth is wildly unpopular in here and you just
nailed it.
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hans Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:16 PM
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92. Obama only losing working class in certain areas
Here in northern Minnesota, in an iron mining community where nearly every white middle class family owns a motor boat, a snowmobile, and a few guns, and many people are members of the steel workers union, Obama won the local caucus by 50 people to 20. State wide polls in Minnesota show Obama leading both Hillary and McCain by huge margins. Of course, we don't have very many racists here in Minnesota, and our women are have the self confidence that they can break through glass ceilings on their own, thank you, without giving Billary a third term in the Oval Office.

That's the way it is. Hans
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:19 PM
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94. I love the "hide a thread" option!
Thanks Skinner!

:hi:
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amelia Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:26 PM
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97. Obama is still in the closet with too many skeletons. Hopefully more of them will fall out soon.
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rg302200 Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:07 PM
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98. Which Polls?
The AP has Hillary beating McCain while the Zogby and Rasmussen (both posted earlier) show Obama beating McCain...polls mean nothing this early. Besides Hillary's negatives far out weigh ANYTHING that could come up against Obama. We have yet to see what the rethugs will throw at Hillary.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:10 PM
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99. Forgot the sarcasm tag? nt
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:40 PM
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100. Well, Obama is the nominee. Join the team and make his election happen. n/t
n/t
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:48 PM
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102. Looks like your brain just derailed
Not a chance.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:53 PM
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104. Nonsense. This is such a small issue when compared to Hillary's lack of truthfulness on Bosnia,
and some of the other goofs that Bill and Hillary have both made. Really, this is not earthshattering news. Some will beleive it, most will forget it and something else will come along- most likely this time to Hillary.
The Wright issue has peaked. What else can be reported on or even said? After all, Wright isn't running for anything.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:06 AM
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109. ha ha ha ha ha ---who is talking about it except some pathetic DU members??
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:57 PM
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105. O, come on...
HRC's campaign was never even on the tracks. Repeating a statement over and over again doesn't make it true. Is that a command you are giving people when you say "there is simply too much negative.... blah blah blah" People's negative feelings for Clinton must run a lot deeper than any negative feeling towards Obama, this is the only thing that can explain the FACT that she is losing. She lost. I realy think it is over for her. This was the last ditch effort of her campaign, her plan B when Obama declined her desperate invitation to duel ("debate").
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:59 PM
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106. One thing is certainly over
your honorary 1 week off of ignore.











plonk
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:01 AM
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107. This post wins
the steaming pile of shit award

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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:05 AM
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111. Bullshit. Count the delegates. They are still coming in overwhelmingly for Obama.
The media can yap all they want. People can spew idiotic nonsense. At the end of the day, Obama walks off with the most delegates and wins.

Hillary Clinton, in the midst of all this Wright barrage against Obama, can only wrest a couple of Supers and one endorsement? Come on, she toast! Even after her SINGLE DIGIT win in PA, Obama's still getting the lion's share of NEW super delegate endorsements.

It's over. Obama's the nominee.

You can bad-mouth him all you want, but isn't going to change the fact that he's the nominee.

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:30 AM
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112. Obama's negatives have caught up with Hillary's in just a few short weeks. That's astounding.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:24 AM
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114. ...
:thumbsup:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 AM
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115. It's not derailed and isn't being derailed internally.
That is the task of Clinton and McCain and surrogates along with the media but they haven't stopped him so far.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:34 AM
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116. Heh heh.. You are funny!! What will you do when Obama gets the nomination he has already won?
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:36 AM
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117. BS. If people are so myopic in there assessment of the man then we all have a problem
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:37 AM
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118. And Hillary can and will lost to McCain.... Losing Progressives and the black vote by
"derailing" the leader will lose her the election. imo
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:38 AM
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119. Whichever candidate has the most delegates at the convention...
...should be the nominee. Period.

And then all party members should get behind the nominee. Period.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:38 AM
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120. yup
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:41 AM
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121. Yes, It's Over....
He is unelectable. His "Judgment" has proven to be very questionable. His candidacy of Hope and Change and Unity has been proven to be just the words of a typical "Politician" saying what he needs to say to get elected.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:48 PM
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122. mccain and hillary are so virtuous right - sarcasm off
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