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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:27 PM
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If you're considering a candidate to support
One question you should ask yourself. . .

Is the Democrat running a Democratic candidacy or a Republican one?

A Democrat is running a Democratic candidacy if he's running on Democratic issues like civil rights, the economy, health care, security without violation of our freedoms, etc.

A Democrat is running like a Republican if he quotes Rove talking points on national security about other candidates, runs on "electability" rather than principles, slams other candidates based on how much they agree with Bush's frames for the election and the Bush agenda, and has had sudden too-perfect "conversions" from long-time conservative views to conveniently liberal ones on a whole host of Democratic issues.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:31 PM
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1. If you're considering a candidate to support
you should be asking yourself

"Does this person have the experience to be the President?"

and then ask yourself

"Is this person an effective campaigner?"

both go hand in hand.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:37 PM
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2. Here are some of the questions folks should ask themselves:
Can the candidate get the crucial swing states? Will we be confident
we can beat Bush with the candidate?

Does the candidate have the ability to get us out of Iraq successfully
with the best possible outcome for Iraqi's, the Mideast, our soldiers,
and the US?

Will the candidate work toward avoid further un-necessary military actions and still stem the tide of terrorist acts?

Will the candidate bring the country together and reduce the partisan
BS that is ruining our country?

Will the candidate leave a positive legacy/good name for liberalism
to return the faith of the people more and more toward progressive,
compassionate, peaceful values?

Will the candidate be able to handle a partisan congress and Supreme
Court in order to get good judges nominated and good legislation
passed?

Will the candidate hold him/herself accountable and get the job
done, especially in a crisis.

Is the candidate a good role model for ourselves and our youth?
Does the person have the honesty, character, and fortitude to
lead all Americans?

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Please notice I purposely left out any crap out Democrats vs
Republicans. I am so sick of the labels and the bickering.
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Capablanca Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:46 PM
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3. Great Post
I totally agree with you FamilyDoctor. Now who do you think can fill this bill?


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anti-bush Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 06:10 PM
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13. John Edwards on all of these
No question Edwards fits the bill.

And in reply to the original post:

"A Democrat is running a Democratic candidacy if he's running on Democratic issues like civil rights, the economy, health care, security without violation of our freedoms, etc."

John Edwards is running on all of these issues. The others are running on comparing themselves to Dubya, and fighting with the others.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:06 AM
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19. Hi Capablanca!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:51 PM
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4. The question I ask is who can rebuild our party.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:53 PM
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5. The question I ask is who can rebuild our country.
nt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:56 PM
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6. That is of secondary importance
if we rebuild the country but not the party, then the country will be trashed again after 4 or 8 years. Kind of like the Clinton administration, he ran the country well, but under him the party fell into disarray. I don't want to see this happen again.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:58 PM
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7. ..and that is much more important.
Those who keep saying "we need to rebuild our party" assume the party needs rebuilding. It does not.


They obviously mean they want third party and/or further left people to hijack it.
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YellowDawgDemocrat Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:04 PM
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9. Who has the best chance at winning the election
Hey, it's party politics, not a beauty contest. If that isn't the first question you are asking yourself, you can wallow in your defeat as an idealistic idealogue.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 12:09 AM
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14. Not that I'm anything close to an idealistic idealogue...
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:02 PM
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8. talk is cheap
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:14 PM
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11. talk may be cheap but that graphic is bullshit
Who answered the questions that place the candidates where they are? Did they take the survey? Did they each individually weight the importance of the question?

Answer: No, here is the quote from the web site that states they determine where someone stands.

<<<How can you determine where politicians are honestly at without asking them?

How can you tell where they're honestly at by asking them? Especially around election time. We've relied on reports, parliamentary records, ... and actions that spoke louder than words.>>>
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:55 PM
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12. Thanks for the link!
For me these Dean vs. Clark vs. et al snipings are becoming redundant and rather boring. Thanks for the diversion.

For those who haven't been to this site, you take a short test and then they show where you end up on this same graph. Takes 5 minutes or so.

My results? A little bit below and to the left of Al Sharpton.

Now what? I mean, I would love to see him debate chimpy but it's just not gonna happen. If I make my way up the list, next stop is DK, then Kerry. CMB is next, but not polling well.

So it looks like I'm going with Kerry, if not then Clark.

Funny thing is, this is pretty close to how I've felt all along if the candidate's positions were the only variable. So much for GD-2004. This plus astrological charts are all I need!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:07 PM
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10. its a simpler quesiton:
Is this candidate the right person.

All the other questions will coalesce around this core issue. Pick the right one, and the rest will come.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 12:13 AM
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15. Is this one of those "You might be a redneck if..." posts?
If you're considering a candidate to support, don't listen to anything on DU. Do your own research for the love of God!
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:36 AM
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18. Great idea, eileen_d! nt/
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 12:17 AM
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16. the main flaw in this
that I see is that the supporters of ANY candidate can claim that any criticism of that candidate is a "Rove talking point".

Personally, I'm sick and tired of the whole Rove thing. We don't need an external boogey-man to blame for all our problems.

This is a primary campaign. Any candidate who DOESN'T draw out the important distinctions between himself and the others isn't worthy of the nomination. It's not Republican to do that. It's small-d democratic.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:10 AM
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17. You can't beat Rove with Rove-lite. (nt)
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