One big difference between Barack and Hillary:

[rateyes]

Had the numbers been reversed, Barack would have graciously dropped out of the race 6 weeks ago, and endorsed Hillary---and, would have been working his ass off trying to get her elected over that asshat McCain.

Hillary is going to lose, and she knows it. The Democratic Party is not stupid enough to tear the party apart by having the SDs give Hillary the nominee against the will of the people. She should be gracious now, and leave the race. She should endorse Barack, and work her ass off to get him elected.

To me, the fact that she hasn't reveals more about her character than anything else. Fighter, is she? That's not how I see it. Spoiler of the Democratic Party is more like it.

[LSparkle]

1. I agree ... He would have been thinking of his political FUTURE

She's behaving as if this is her last race, burning bridges
right and left. Not considering the consequences of her
actions on herself or the party.

[maxsolomon]

2. if BHO gets the nomination, wins, and serves 2 terms

given that likelyhood, it IS her last race. for president. she'll be how old in 2016? 69? that's too old. well, maybe not for a woman - they age better mentally.

this IS her one chance. unless there's 2012 to aim for.

[LSparkle]

7. What I'm wondering is, if she doesn't win, how will the Senate treat her?

After the vitriol of this campaign -- and legendary Clinton grudges --
will she be able to get along in the Senate with Kerry, Kennedy, Leahy,
Durbin, Dodd ... all her colleagues who have endorsed Obama and are
probably looking at her askance for her "kitchen sink" tactics? Her
campaign reeks of crash and burn, not caring how effective she may be
for the people of NY when this is over.

[FSogol]

8. That depends on how she acts after dropping out.

Politicians are quick to forgive and forget.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. Some of them even talk to Lieberman, I hear.

Though that is just a rumor.

[roguevalley]

15. senators have memories like elephants. she is breaking bridges

and building grudges everywhere. I would never speak to her or help her myself. If she doesn't give a damn about the party, I doubt that I would give a damn about her.

[CatsDogsBabies]

This was her last chance

Her time has past, I believe. We are in a new era now, a new century, a new millenium . . .

[CatsDogsBabies]

10. x

[CatsDogsBabies]

11. dupe

[redqueen]

3. He wouldn't have had to drop out.

The M$M would have started ignoring him long ago, making his candidacy irrelevant.

[mkultra]

4. The other MAJOR difference is..

that shes NOT the nominee.

[PurityOfEssence]

5. How the fuck do you know that?

Has he SAID that? That seems to be the gold standard for this Prince of Hypotheticals; is this the case?

I seriously doubt he'd have dropped out in an analogous situation and the tiresome carping as FACT the suppositions and claims of him and his partisans is tiresome.

He's no more noble and no less ambitious than Hillary Clinton, and the similarity of their habit of being on all sides of all issues and ducking the tough calls is stunning.

[guyanakoolaid]

17. Wrong. Obama is FAR more noble than Hillary. And I believe she's the one ducking the tough call of

Social Security. She can't come up with anything better than "a committee to look into it", while cynically decrying the fact that Obama says people making over $100,000 might have to pay more or receive less. Hillary is showing her true upper class multi-millionaire status on this one. He has tough real solutions while Hillary has no specifics and nothing but Repug attacks.

[PurityOfEssence]

18. He ducked the Sense of the Senate vote on Iran, then made political hay

That's craven opportunism and it's sloppy to boot.

How many times did he vote "present" on inconsequential issues like abortion? How hard has he fought to cut the flow of money to the war? Why did he vote against capping credit card interest rates at 30%? Why (besides his wife's lucrative work for Medicine Incorporated) is he so reluctant to knock out the chocks and really go for a decent health care system?

So many people just take his word on things, and it's somehow treasonous to question his hypothetical greatness.

Neither is a saint and neither is a fearless champion of the left; they're both ultramoderate corporatists with a penchant for ballet-like maneuvering.

[guyanakoolaid]

19. Kyl/Lieberman was Bullshit - better to not have voted for it all than voted "yea" like Clinton did

[Bensthename]

6. We all know this is about Hillary.. It is her's and McCain's turn. Who is this Obama guy any way??

MSM gets it.. Why doesnt everybody else?

[StevieM]

9. Oh please....Obama would NEVER drop out until Hillary had locked up a majority of all

delegates. And certainly not when it was still possible to win the popular vote.

Steve

[guyanakoolaid]

16. Obama is too smart to get away with the ridiculous logic of a "popular vote"

Do you seriously believe he would be making the same ridiculous assertions?

[bobthedrummer]

12. I concur, and many of those associated with her campaign have an agenda.

"Know Your DLC: Mark Penn"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5515506

She's toast so she will scorch the earth...

K&R

[crankychatter]

13. I love your relentlessness Bob

you are one good egg

[bobthedrummer]

21. Ah shucks crankychatter, I bet you just love the TRUTH as much as I do.

Or hate the RW-or both!!! :hi:

Here's a blast from the past that we need to recall today

"Political Mugging In America: Anatomy of an 'Independent' Smear Campaign" by Charles Lewis (3-6-2004 Center for Public Integrity Common Dreams repost)
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0306-04.htm

[annie1]

20. and Kerry gracefully backed down in 2004, and he shouldn't have. Hillary wouldn't have....

and maybe we wouldn't have had another term of bush.