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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:10 AM
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Obama/Sebelius 2008!
Right now, I'd literally bet $1,000 dollars on Obama/Sebelius in 2008. There's just no way in hell Obama is going to be robbed of the nomination when he wins the elected delegate count. I therefore predict Obama will pick Sebelius as his running mate.

The premises for this prediction:

1.) If "the sure thing" Hillary is denied her bid for the White House it will create disaffection among grey haired white women, therefore somehow a woman will have to be on the ticket or there will be a huge political price to pay.
2.) Sebelius is in fact a "grey haired white woman" who is yet still young enough to be a strong contender for her own Presidential bid in 2016.
3.) Sebelius is a native of Michigan.
4.) Sebelius is a popular governor in the heartland and would likely put Kansas into play and further bolster our efforts in the interior states, which is what Obama will need to win if Florida should fall to McCain.
5.) Sebelius is Catholic and that is one Demographic Obama could use some "oomph" with.
6.) Sebelius is good looking and is very pleasant to listen to. She looks like the classic beauty from a pharmaceutical commercial - mature and eye pleasing. In other words, her Q score is high.
7.) Sebelius has a "kinda sorta" conservative background in her family. She's no "flaming east coast/west coast liberal" by any stretch.
8.) Sebelius actually "stood up" to health insurance companies in her state when she had the chance.
9.) Sebelius has been named as one of the "top 5 governors" baed on her track record.
10.) Sebelius was able to turn Kansas debt around without raising taxes and she is known for a "bipartisan approach".

Now I know the counter argument is that we "need someone who is strong on self defense". I think that is total baloney so stop right there. Obama himself said he feels comfortable making the "defense" argument on his own and will likely "pick someone who knows stuff he doesn't". It was an inartful statement. However, Sebelius fits this bill on three grounds: 1.) he doesn't know much about being a woman 2.) he doesn't know much about being a governor/executive officer 3.) he doesn't know much about "being a catholic".

Sebelius fills Obama's gaps quite nicely without exacerbating the differences between McCain and Obama. The last thing Obama needs to do is pick someone so white, old, male, crusty, and steeped in the defense industry that the talking point becomes: "I wish this race was between McCain and Obama's running mate."

Sebelius will represent the new kind of politics that Obama seeks to bring to Washington. She can stand up to the entrenched special interests, balance a budget, and work in a bipartisan fashion to get things done. This is exactly what we need.

I'd go so far to say that the DLC and the corporate interests should have passed up Clinton in the first place and ran Sebelius. She is far more likeable and electable. It was actually quite stupid to back Hillary and not let Sebelius get out of the gates.

Personally, I'm against the DLC and I understand Sebelius is part of it. That's the only problem I have with her. However, if she gets on board with Obama it might be a powerful symbol in many ways. First, the true left has power, otherwise Obama wouldn't be at the top of the ticket. Second, we are all for working out pragmatic solutions and bringing people on board in order to work for the best interests of the entire Democratic electorate.

I think all things considered, Obama will HAVE TO bring a woman on board as VP, and I think Sebelius is a very strong contender. Also, Sebelius endorsed Obama back when it really mattered.

Women make over half the electorate nationally and it will be a huge boon to have Sebelius on board. I think from the hard left to the moderate right, she would pull huge numbers to our side. Especially more than a crusty old white guy, no matter how much "experience" in Foreign Affairs that guy has.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:12 AM
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1. I'll give your post a kick
to open debate.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:14 AM
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2. She's very competent, but somewhat charisma-challenged.
I think he needs someone with really solid foreign policy/defense credentials and who is also a little less bland.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:31 AM
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10. hmm....I think Obama has the charisma thing already.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:39 PM
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26. Yeah, but if her response to the SOTU is any indication,
Sibelius has NO charisma at all. Her remarks, and the way she delivered them, were so dull they were almost painful to listen to; she could make watching paint dry look like a naked mosh pit by contrast. And it was full of wishy-washy DLC platitudes, too. Maybe she's got more to her than that, but I was seriously underwhelmed.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:09 PM
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29. I've seen her in other venues and she was excellent, very listenable.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:08 AM
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14. The side of Sebelius you don't see.
Is that she is not just used to cooperating, she can also kick ass.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:15 AM
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3. That would be a good ticket at face value
I'm unfamiliar with her though. :shrug:
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:17 AM
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4. I agree
Obama needs a woman on his ticket. If this mess hadn't dragged on as long as it had he wouldn't, but now there's a huge rift. Bill Richardson would fit because he's a governor with massive foreign policy experience and he'd help bring in the latino vote, but ultimately that won't help win any states that Obama wasn't going to win anyway.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:20 AM
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5. I really like Sebelius and wish she was the woman running for President, but sadly I don't..........
see an Obama/Sebelius ticket on the horizon.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:15 AM
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16. Why not?
I would like to get some background behind your comment. On the face of it, an Obama/Sebelius matchup seems to be a good one to me. What makes you say you don't see an Obama/Sebelius ticket on the Horizon?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:22 AM
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19. She doesn't bring anything to the table. Two midwesterners don't do much and she has less..........
foreign policy experience than he does. I think she's highly qualified, but it's a tough sell.

If I were Obama I would give her a spot in the cabinet to help her resume for a future run.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:15 PM
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24. Good points
I would like to see her as a candidate, though, because she seems to be a good governor.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:10 PM
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30. Bullocks. She brings a ton to the table. Gender being extremely important.
In case you didn't know, over 50% of the electorate is female and gender really matters to them, especially this year.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:22 AM
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6. It might be a good idea.
For one she is from Kansas. For two, she won't be considered "too liberal". Three, it will end the "working class white Catholic" meme Tweety loves so much. It disarms a lot of the bullshit arguments we're having to deal with.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:25 AM
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9. Anything to shut tweety up, even on one subject....
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:31 AM
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11. bingo!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:33 AM
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12. And she has roots here in Ohio.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:23 AM
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7. It Might Happen
I have favored Sen. Webb as Obama's VP.

But I am warming up to the idea of Sebelius ... she might just be the 'ticket'!
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:18 AM
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18. I am against any Senator on the ticket with Obama
Especially one from a swing state like Virginia. When Obama wins the presidency, it puts his seat in play. I would rather preserve our majority in the Senate by picking someone who is not a Senator. Richardson, Sebelius, etc., would be good picks.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:24 AM
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8. Could Be
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:35 AM
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13. Her son's game about prison rape notwithstanding.
'She's no "flaming east coast/west coast liberal" by any stretch.'

That's for sure!

===

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — The son of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is peddling a board game titled Don't Drop the Soap, a prison-themed game he created as part of a class project at the Rhode Island School of Design.

John Sebelius, 23, has the backing of his mother and father, U.S. Magistrate Judge Gary Sebelius. Sebelius spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said both parents "are very proud of their son John's creativity and talent."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2008-01-27-sebeliusgame_N.htm?csp=34

===

America's a free country and he has the right to create whatever dumb offensive games he wants to create. That doesn't mean we have to sit by and do nothing, either. Rape is not a joke, and it's dispicable that someone would try to make a profit by making a game about it, much less calling it "entertainment".

This guy is the son of the Governor of Kansas. She (Governor Sebelius) is supporting her son's efforts to market this game, even defending it. If he made a board game about raping women and called it "Entertainment", would she be so supportive of him then?

Considering the numbers of people who have been released from prison after being found innocent due to prosecutor misconduct, false accusations, fabricated evidence, and other issues in the justice system, the creation of this game becomes even more despicable.

Rape isn't a game, and it's not funny when anyone is raped, whether they are a woman or a man. Instead of supporting her son's efforts to profit from a despicable game, Governor Sebelius should be educating him on how prison rape is every bit as serious and harmful as other forms of rape.

http://talessman.blogspot.com/2008/01/prison-rape-board-game.html
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:09 AM
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15. I like it!
:)
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:16 AM
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17. but I have to say, Claire McCaskill is a stellar advocate for him
I just watched her tear Schumer up on Late Edition.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:28 AM
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22. Yes, she has been a great advocate.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:10 PM
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23. Yeah, but her voting record sucks ass...
Not voting for her again! x(
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:23 AM
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20. Anyone But Hillary
is my motto.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:26 AM
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21. She's Pretty Awesome
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:22 PM
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25. If we're going with a female governor, I'd pick Janet Napolitano over Sebelius
I'm guessing she might be Catholic as well with an Italian name (but admittedly not sure about that). Arizona is a more likely state to turn blue than Kansas, and Janet has not been afraid to take on corporatism in her previous career as an Attorney General. I also like the psychological impact of beating Grandpa McLoon in his own state, and yes I do believe that's possible. Arizona knows him better than anyone, and from what my family & friends down there tell me, he ain't all that popular anymore.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:42 PM
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27. I live in kansas and campaigned for her. She is great but not known enough.
And this state is not worth enough to deliver it.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 02:23 PM
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28. I think she'd have a broad effect in the midwest, not just Kansas. I think she'd get rural voters...
more interested in the ticket.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 03:11 PM
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31. Sounds good, though I personally like McCaskill more.
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