"I won't vote for the other Dem"

[lwcon]

Whichever Democrat you prefer, just cut the shit.

This is one place where I don’t mind saying “a pox on both your houses.”

Adherents of both remaining Democratic candidates are playing this card, and however wounded you feel by what the other campaign is doing (or is perceived as doing), there is a lot more than a dime’s worth of difference between our Democratic options and John “Bush’s Third Term” McCain.

Make the case for your candidate and/or against the one you like less. But if you want the next four-to-eight years to be even a little better than what we’ve just had, stop all this “I’m too good to vote for the second-best Democratic option.”

Pretty please, with “for fuck’s sake” on top.

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[BlooInBloo]

1. Anyone not voting for the Democratic nominee is a fucking jackass.

[knixphan]

3. ...and a closet republican, too.

[Oregone]

9. How so?

[knixphan]

26. I can only imagine SCOTUS appointments by McCain...frightening

[Oregone]

30. Who said anything about voting for McCain?

[YOY]

4. Yup.

If it's not your guy/gal then suck it up! I will if I have to!

[Tesha]

28. Long before we'd all heard of Obama, I said I wouldn't vote for Clinton.

My unwillingness has nothing to do with Obama; of
the original eight, he was my seventh choice (with
Clinton being my last choice.) Rather, immediately
upon her Iraq War Resolution vote, I said that I
would never again support Hillary Clinton in politics.
And I meant what I said. I've had enough of voting
for Faux Democrats who vote with the Republicans.

So I don't believe it will happen, but if our party
is so monumentally stupid as to nominate Hillary
Clinton to be our standard bearer in November, I
will have no compunctions at all about finding
someone further left to vote for; I certainly
gave "fair warning" of the problems she'd face.

Tesha

[rucky]

2. It's 90% desparate endgame shit - bluff or hotheadedness

5% trollishness, and 5% sincere stupidity

[PetraPooh]

5. Sorry I won't vote for traitorous liars no matter which ticket they are on.

[SeaLyons]

6. Anyone that refuses to vote for a Dem,

does not belong on this board!!

[LakeSamish706]

8. Sorry, but the tactics being used by your candidate I don't see her as being a Democrat...

Between her and her husband siding with McCain over Obama it really is very hard to tell why they are running under a Democratic banner in the first place.

[SeaLyons]

15. Rubbish...

total rubbish!

[LakeSamish706]

16. Your opinion of course... n/t

[damntexdem]

20. Yes, her tactics are rubbish.

But she is still a lesser evil than McCain.

[damntexdem]

19. Not true -- this is exactly where they belong. They need to be convinced.

[lwcon]

22. My bad

I thought this was Democratic Underground.

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[HereSince1628]

7. They actually aren't playing the card, they are threatening to play it

I accept that both groups are actually telling the truth about how they feel.

In the US we've been a long time without a real split in any party, I think we may be coming up on such a thing for the Democrats. The democrats have been fractious for quite a while and the link between the sides has been trouble for 20 years.

Not the question is is the link between the groupd going to become as irrelevant as it is artificial.

There is clearly a need to reorganize the coalition and that isn't a prospect for 2008.

Does it do that and give voice to both sides or does it do that and have the two sides go off in different directions?

IMO a defeat in 2008 is the end of the coalition of interests that pretends to be an organized party.

[LakeSamish706]

10. This whole OP is moot actually, because Hillary has no chance in hell of wining...

fairly. The only way she could become the nominee is by stealing it... And there is no way in hell I would vote for her under those circumstances.

[lwcon]

11. I love the smell of unity! n/t

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13. Oh, and the word is "moot" n/t

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[LakeSamish706]

14. Oh thanks, and I stand corrected on my typo. n/t

[damntexdem]

21. It would smell. It would stink. She likely couldn't win. But she'd still be the lesser evil.

I'd still have to hold my nose and vote for her.

[wileedog]

12. If the Supers overturn the PD vote

I'll register Independent the next day.

It has nothing to do with Clinton, I'm not going to support the DLC Insider machine's ability to pick and choose their own candidate.

Flame away

[TragedyandHope]

17. I will vote for the Democratic candidate

The country should not pay the price for the nonsense that has gone on during our Primaries. We cannot let McCain anywhere near the White House.

[damntexdem]

18. Hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.

That's what I'll do -- I've been well-trained over the decades.

And even I recognize that HRC is a lesser evil than is McCain.

[lwcon]

23. As even I do about Obama

That wasn't hard, was it?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. “I’m too good ...for the second-best ...option.”

Well, actually, it's fourth-best or fifth-best, after Gore (who didn't run), Kucinich (who dropped), and Edwards (who "suspended").

But I know what you're saying.

In November, just vote DEM. Hold your nose if you must, but just vote DEM.

[galaxy21]

25. It's not that simple

If Obama is deemed unelectable, and Hillary is handed the nomination , should we just embrace the blatant racism shown by the democrats and go along with it?

I think voting for Hillary would be condoning her actions, including the race baiting.

[Kool Kitty]

27. Just , for one short minute, think about it.

On her worst day, Hillary is ten thousand times better than McCain.

[galaxy21]

29. Probably, but should Dem voters embrace racism?

And that's what it'll be. SDs will give her nomination because they've decided the black guy can't win.

Is a party like that any better than the republicans?

[Tesha]

31. But she is yet another step along the road of the monumental collapse of our party.

Democrats used to stand for something and what they
stood for was opposition to discrimination of all
sorts and support for the working people of America.

The DLC, including Hillary, has turned that on its
head. She's campaigning based on racism and exactly
the wrong sort of class warfare. She's proven, time
and time again during just this one campaign that
she and her ilk all need to be purged from our party
so that our party can *ONCE AGAIN STAND FOR ALL THE
THINGS THAT USED TO MEAN SOMETHING* to the voters.

Continuing the slow slide into the swamp while
claiming that "But Hillary is better than McCain!"
is the way to long-term defeats and the absolute
end of the Democratic Party.

Tesha

[Kool Kitty]

32. You both raise good points, but the thought of a

McCain presidency scares me very much.

[galaxy21]

33. The thought of dems becoming the new republicans is scarier

[Kool Kitty]

34. So what should we do?

Seriously. I won't vote for McCain.