The reason Hillary cannot win against McCain.

[cliffordu]

I have posted this before as a response to other posts.....I thought it might need it's own thread.

Imagine a commercial:

The commercial fades in with Hillary, starting to tell all four of her Tuzla stories,
synchronized with the footage of her on the tarmac, the lie of sniper fire repeated FOUR different times.

Fade out.

Fade in to footage of John McCain being drug from the lake in downtown Hanoi where his jet was shot down, with a voiceover that says something like:




"Hillary Clinton wants you to think she's battle tested. John McCain was tested daily for five years."

Or anything his professional writers can come up with.

Game, Set, Match. IT WON'T MATTER AT THIS POINT what party she's with, or what she stands for. She just stole a Combat Infantry Badge.

Don't take this too lightly. Every veteran in the United States will be affected by this when they see the two side by side.

In about 1973 I saw a poser beaten to a pulp - a guy in a bar was bragging that he was some kind of bad ass special forces guy....while he was "In the 'Nam."

The only problem was he was wearing a medal from the Korean war. He was about 25 years old.....So two vets dismantled him.


This issue is the one that will NOT go away. She said it. 4 times. And there's footage of her laughing about it on Jay Leno.....

Wait till they wheel the guy in the coma out who was shot to pieces by the sniper with the footage of that.

[Growler]

1. yup

mccain wouldn't need to air any other ad.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Hillary acts like she has no dirty laundry and she is completely vetted

In reality, the GOP would have a field day with her. That's why they want her to beat Obama so bad.

[Medusa]

20. Take a look at people like Buchannan, Scarborough

they want Hillary Clinton as the nominee so bad they're almost to the point of slobbering on air for her. And why? Did they suddenly become Democrats? Nope. They know that McCain can obliterate her in the GE. And he will if she's the nominee.

[redstate_democrat]

3. The kitchen sink will look like a silly notion compared to what they've been ginnying up for her

They have invested too much money, time, and effort to just their golden opportunity to demolish her fade away. I'm split between wondering whether she is working with them, or whether they are just THAT DIABOLICAL and EVIL to hype her up just to crush her in the Fall without any mercy. Either situation is terrifying.

These people made a full length movie about her. Okay. They have sophisticated websites named after her. They've been up for a while.

I can just see them rolling the ads about her "lies, triangulation, and calculation". They have basically laid the framework for her. They DEFINED her.

Her health care plan will be commie, 3 year wait list to see a doctor socialist, band aid for a broken leg, welfare system when they get done with it. And to top it off, she WILL FORCE YOU TO PAY FOR THIS CRAP COMMIE SHIT and if you REFUSE, she WILL GARNISH YOUR WAGES AND SEND YOU TO JAIL FOR NEGLECT OF YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU DON'T BUY IT.

Then they will run some of her most outrageous statements --- nuking Iran , with the voice over, Can you Trust Hillary Rodham Clinton to Know What to Do in a Time of Crisis? Can you Trust her With Nuclear Weapons?

In a time of crisis, when Bill Clinton had an affair in the White House, all Hillary Clinton could do was get in bed and pull the covers over her head. What will she do at 3 a.m. in the morning during a crisis?

Hillary Clinton does not care about you. She voted for.... but blames Republicans for doing the same thing she did. Who is telling the truth to the American people?

She voted for the War in Iraq, but now she has flip flopped because the polls told her the war is unpopular. America doesn't need a President who Pays More Attention to Polls rather than the American Troops. Vote McCain. He understands that the war is hard, tough, and that American families are being hit hard. But John McCain will always tell you the truth. He will never lie or pander for your vote. You know where he stands. Can you say the same about Hillary Clinton? I didn't think so.

Can You Trust Bill Clinton in the White House with Nothing to Do? Do we Really Need to Go Back There, America?

And on and on and on.


She will magically become "the most liberal senator" ever. I actually heard Hannity call her a socialist a few months ago. Now she is the love of their lives.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

4. Agreed. "My opponent misremembered about combat. Let me tell you what I remember..."

....And McShame tells in slightly teary detail how he was tortured for years. Of course it would be a bit like Tim Hartman's "unfrozen caveman lawyer" skits, but it would be as effective as the Swift Boat bullshit.

I used to adore Hillary. Back in 1992, I imagined Hillary's presidency in 2008, right after 2 terms of Gore. Now, she does behave in many ways like one of "them."

[cliffordu]

24. That's right - she's the perfect

"I'm gonna swift boat myself" candidate.

[izzie]

5. You did not even have to point this one out.

I think the only change the Dem. had was to get the old people out and run a new group of people. It was one of the reasons I liked Obama. He is a man for the times but the people really may like to dig up the Clinton years and do a re-run. We have it with McCain for the Bush years. Really it almost seems for ever that we have had a Bush or Clinton running things. I say no more. I will go down and vote Congress people in but I would never vote for Clinton.

[chknltl]

6. KnR nt

[Perry Logan]

7. Imagine how many times you'll hear "God damn America" if Obama runs.

[earthlover]

9. Wright does not compare the the problem with Tuzla

People will not vote for a candidate who lies like that. Not if they get caught, that is. And Hillary got caught.

With every passing day, Hillary is making it less likely that Obama will win. However, Hillary has never had a chance of winning in November.

[Perry Logan]

11. Your anti-Hillary bias is clouding your judgement. Normal people won't see it the way you do.

[ingac70]

12. Don't kid yourself..

She's a fucking liar.

[Perry Logan]

13. You've got to face the fact that most people don't see it this way.

[WillyToad]

19. Dont kid your self....

hate blinds

[earthlover]

33. normal people don't trust liars....Hillary lied about Tuzla....fatal

McCain especially can pounce on that making her sound like a combat wannabe, compared to his real experience

It would make her candidacy a joke.

[WillyToad]

18. Most people don't care about an exaggerated story

It is an idiotic issue

[cliffordu]

25. That's alright - McCain has his own crazy-assed preacher problem...

maybe we should get THOSE two to debate....

[Window]

8. Oh, yeah. They will have big fun with the Tuzla LIE.

[ingac70]

10. She is such a fucking liar...

Hillary is just a stalking horse for McCain any how.. she doesn't expect to win the Presidency

[Vinca]

14. Ding! Ding! Ding! We've got a winner.

You're exactly right. The 527s will focus more on Bill and "We can't let this man back into the house he tarnished," etc.

[UALRBSofL]

15. Oh please get real, stop the crap about Hillary

She can defeat McSlime in a skinny minute. Lets not drag out the Keating 5, the S & L scandals. His cheating, his illegitimate children, the anti-MLK holiday, his corrupt deals in Az, and the list is much longer.

[WillyToad]

21. Stephanie Miller was asking 'why don't Obama supporters bring up travelgate, etc..'.

It is the next natural pitstop for their metastasizing hate.

A woman called Ed Schultz the other day and started ranting about Hillary, he was laughing and agreeing with her until she started yelling about "44 thousand pages,(the Starr report)" and "Dick Morris's book." At that point Ed realized he was waltzing with with a freeper and ended the call without acknowledging what just happened. That was it for me. The metamorphosis is nearly complete. Obama supporters have turned into freepers.

[dionysus]

27. you sure seem to know a lot about freepers trolly mclowpost...

:rofl:

[PatGund]

28. You needed to finish that statement.

with what came after it. i.e. "...because they're better than that"

[cliffordu]

32. Odd. I wanted Hillary in the White House till a couple of months ago.

And now I'm a Freeper.


Sad, really, that all you have left is the name calling.

I didn't do this to her, she did it to herself.

[cliffordu]

26. I' like to think that too, but all that 'complicated' stuff you just

mentioned goes away the minute they see the photo I posted in the OP.

This is like reality TV shoved up against Masterpiece Theater. "Cops" always wins with 'guns 'n values' voters.

[WillyToad]

16. Blah, Blah, Blah...

It is impossible for McCain to win against any Democrat, period.

War for eternity, Bushes third term.

[cliffordu]

29. This is how you lose the White House for 8 more years.

Think about G. Bush 4 years ago. He had already been shown to be a buffoon and inept, and maybe a lying sack of shit.

Almost half the people who voted in the US voted for him - why??

Never underestimate the gullibility of the public when it comes to nationalistic jingoism...

War in Iraq, Patriotism.

Fuck - they slimed a perfectly good decorated veteran and installed that creepy prick for another 4 years and everybody KNEW what a putz Bush was - Just because he sold them on the National Security issue.

The flag, man. In this country it's all about the flag.

[grantcart]

17. good point Cliff

[cliffordu]

30. Why, thanks!!

[PATRICK]

22. Sure she is

a trenchant Scorpio(my wife goes for the astrological angle) and will not surrender but in fact, knowing she is NOT going to face McCain in November, keeping everyone focused on unreality helps her to grimly scrape up- and keep- a huge delegate bloc to influence the Convention, the Veep choice and power the DLC bloc from here to post-Obama. Concession means your clout melts away like snow in July. The longer that goes on and solidified by polarization and commitment- with the cooperation of state voters splitting and not strengthening the support of the inevitable nominee, the stronger her hand and the position of her group.

It is amazing that the entire logic of the gamed primary was to have a swift nominee, rapid submission, etc. has been turned on its ear by the same forces that created it, with some ironic sidebar benefits to democracy and the actual realistic honing of the nominee. This helps Obama as much as hurts him but the end result is to game the overall power struggle and the future of the Clinton ambitions. All this and a never say die defeated candidate as well.

Both parties are likely to spoil the Veep selection process, perhaps significantly crippling either administration and spoil the party org and platform as well. Dems have the most chance to resist this, but being distracted by a foregone conclusion horse race does not bode well for the judgment of the voters or super delegates in getting to more relevant decisions that are not so fixed. Nor should Obama bend(to their ultimate loss) like Kerry and Gore to the non-Dem wing of the party in money and campaign additions taken on after the Convention. The arm twisting will not end with Hillary being "beaten" to make Obama sellout to the establishment as being the foremost need of the "party". Despite his honest commitment to actually being a dismaying centrist and moderate in too many issues, he is not owned".
This is the style of enslaved political leadership that definitely needs the benefits of abolition.

[tabasco]

23. The corpporate media has been Hillary-friendly since it was known she was running for President.

There is a reason the republicans want Hillary as the nominee.

They know she will lose. Her high negatives mean she is unelectable. Period.

Olbermann is the only voice in the corporate media whom they allow to tell it like it is.

I rememeber when Joe Scarborough couldn't say "Hillary Clinton" without a sneer on his face. He seems to gush over her since he received the memo: "Put H. Clinton in a good light!"

Pat Buchanan should put on a cheerleader skirt when he talks about Hillary.

[cliffordu]

31. Yep. You are exactly right.