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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:17 PM
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Rev. Wright defends Sermons

Rev. Wright Defends Sermons, Self in First Interview

April 24, 2008 1:42 PM

Tomorrow on PBS, Bill Moyers will interview Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright in his first interview since the controversy erupted about some of his inflammatory remarks.

Wright insists there was nothing wrong with his sermons.

"The persons who have heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly," he tells Moyers, according to excerpts released by Moyers' show.

"When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public," Wright says, "that's not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a 'wackadoodle.'

"It's to paint me as something: 'Something's wrong with me. There's nothing wrong with this country…for its policies. We're perfect. Our hands are free. Our hands have no blood on them,'" Wright says. "That's not a failure to communicate. The message that is being communicated by the sound bites is exactly what those pushing those sound bites want to communicate."

And what does Wright think "they" wanted to communicate?

"That I am unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ," Wright says. "And by the way, guess who goes to his church, hint, hint, hint? That's what they wanted to communicate. They know nothing about the church. They know nothing about our prison ministry. They know nothing about our food sharing ministry. They know nothing about our senior citizens home. They know nothing about all we try to do as a church and have tried to do, and still continue to do as a church that believes what Martin Marty said, that the two worlds have to be together. And that the gospel of Jesus Christ has to speak to those worlds, not only in terms of the preached message on a Sunday morning but in terms of the lived-out ministry throughout the week.

Moyers asks Wright what he thought when he began to see the sound bites circulating.

"I felt it was unfair," he says, "I felt it was unjust. I felt it was untrue. I felt for those who were doing that, were doing it for some very devious reasons….The blowup and the blowing up of sermons preached 15, seven, six years ago and now becoming a media event, not the full sermon, but the snippets from the sermon and sound bite having made me the target of hatred, yes, that is something very new and something very, very unsettling."

Wright is also asked how it went down after Obama criticized Wright?

"It went down very simply," Wright responds. "He's a politician, I'm a pastor. We speak to two different audiences. And he says what he has to say as a politician. I say what I have to say as a pastor. But they're two different worlds. I do what I do. He does what politicians do. So that what happened in Philadelphia where he had to respond to the sound bytes, he responded as a politician."

Wright adds that he's "absolutely" never heard Obama repeat any of Wright's controversial statements as his own. "I don't talk to him about politics," Wright says. "And so he had a political event, he goes out as a politician and says what he has to say as a politician. I continue to be a pastor who speaks to the people of God about the things of God."



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/rev-wright-defe.html
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:17 PM
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1. I don't believe Wright
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:19 PM
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2. Then you don't know anything about him.
Have you managed to miss all the threads that list his many accomplishments? Or, that gave his comments in context?

That's too bad.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:26 PM
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20. I just don't buy that fact that he hasn't spoke politics with Obama when they were friends
for 20 years.. Or that obama never heard his negative remarks..
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:28 PM
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27. I'm sure Obama heard his negative remarks just not the incidenary ones that were looped. Given that
...Obama has managed his campaign finance etc well up to this point I can believe that he's a prepared person
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:32 PM
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29. Then you aren't trusting a man who has shown himself to be trustworthy
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:32 PM by sfexpat2000
over a lifetime. Marines, presidents, thousands of congregants have put themselves and their lives into his hands.

It's your prerogative, of course.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:08 PM
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89. That doesn't make sense. However
I do think his words have been distorted and taken out of context...

...and used and misused. The Rev. Wright is clearly not a monster. That said - a few of the words - not to mention the tone - come across as cruel and - yes - a bit twisted. Or at the very least ill-chosen and unfortunate. I tend to see religiosity is disturbing. You certainly see that in the white ranters of the born-again and fundamentalist movement.
There are exceptions.
But why anyone would put themselves in the thrall of such things is beyond me.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:37 PM
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147. because obama is so weak minded that he can't resist the hate?
that is what makes me crazy here. do you really think that obama never heard a word of the entire black power movement? because if he did, he would go crazy, and be unfit to be president? or what?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:19 PM
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3. So you've heard the sermons all the way through, have you?
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monicaaida Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:20 PM
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5. racist
racist
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:23 PM
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10. That's silly.. yeah I am a racist when I am African American
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:24 PM
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12. Revs. speak the truth and all politicans lie..
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:26 PM
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21. And I'm Venezuelan. nt
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:27 PM
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22. um okay
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:28 PM
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26. No really, I am.
Venezuelan.

Yeah.

That's the ticket.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:32 PM
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31. oh I thought you were being sarcastic.. Sorry. You should really watch yourself
calling other people racists. That was offensive.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:36 PM
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36. Did I call you a racist?
Funny, I don't remember doing that.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:41 PM
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41. lol oops.. sorry it was the other person who did.. I apologize
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:12 PM
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:22 PM
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7. Neither does Rush so no worries. You're in fine company. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:27 PM
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23. Why dont if you're pleased to tell? I believe him because of the context of the sermon....
...he was speaking of and it was a sound bight because Jeremiah said the same to Israel.

Thank you in advance
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:34 PM
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34. about what?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:20 PM
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4. I believe Wright. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:22 PM
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8. Hi there, H2O Man. I can't wait to see that interview.
Also, he's going to be at the National Press Club soon -- on April 28. I believe CSPAN will film it. :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:23 PM
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11. He's a good man.
And he loves this country more than the boys from ABC. There is often a price to be paid for telling the truth, though.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:55 PM
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64. Love and respect.
When you love someone, you want them to be as good as they can be.
When you respect someone, you tell them the truth and believe they're able to handle it.

You DON'T blow sunshine up the ass of someone you respect.
You DON'T ignore the bad behavior of someone you love.

The sad fact that so many don't comprehend these simple truths show what lousy parenting we have.
The sad fact that so many don't comprehend these simple truths show how destructive our relationships are.

Appalling.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:57 PM
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68. Maybe another adjective? (Or, would that be adverb?)
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:58 PM by sfexpat2000
lol
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:01 PM
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75. Which? Disappointing? Frustrating? Disgusting?
:shrug:

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:20 PM
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6. I wish I could go to detroit to see him, I would be happy to give him a 5 minute standing ovation
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:22 PM
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9. See my post above yours. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:25 PM
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14. I don't think people want to know Wright but those who do (like the Clintons) have praised him to no
...end as the 1 minute and 45 second standing ovation he received in Chi-town here recently.

The GOP is floating Wright in NC to affect the down ticket vote and if that doesn't work Bush et al is going to war with Iran.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:28 PM
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25. I think you're right. But my "take away" from their slime
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:29 PM by sfexpat2000
is getting to learn about an extrordinary man. Really, how many people accomplish as much as he has in his lifetime? :shrug:

Imho, they broke into the wrong rec room (a paraphrase from "Tremors"). :)

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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:32 PM
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30. ....
yes, you could stand and clap and scream God Damn America. Sounds great!!:sarcasm:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:37 PM
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38. You have no idea how silly you look, spreading this right wing hatred. n/t
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:43 PM
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42. There is nothing
RW about criticizing Wright. Sorry. Don't even go there. He is criticized by many that are considered progressive. No, don't even go there. I'm afraid it is Wright that looks silly to most of America.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:45 PM
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44. You bet there is. This hitjob originated at Faux and was catapaulted from there.
YOU need to get a clue about what YOU are doing so thoughtlessly and so ignorantly.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:58 PM
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71. Amen, cousin.
:thumbsup:
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:10 PM
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97. Maya Angelou is another of his close friends
And he was a visitor and confidante in the Clinton White House. It may be politically expedient for some to hate him now, but it doesn't reflect well on anyone.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:11 PM
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It doesn't reflect well on right wing bigots.
Period.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:58 PM
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69. You're one sad character.
Hillarians are sooooooo boring.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:24 PM
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13. Rev. Wright deserves to defend himself...
..and by his actions has shown himself to love this country far more than the whole list of right wing commentators who have slimed him.

I believe him--but then I took the time to understand the context. America has done damnable things as well as great things.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:25 PM
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17. RIGHT! In the context of Jerimiah who said the same to Israel I can understand the sermon completely
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:25 PM
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15. What they'd done to Rev Wright is unforgivable. We need more like him n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:25 PM
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18. AMEN!
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:45 PM
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45. We need more racists dragging down our candidates?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:47 PM
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50. Precisely why I want HRC and the racists supporting her out of the picture n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:25 PM
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16. What they'd done to Rev Wright is unforgivable. We need more like him n/t
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:27 PM
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24. It is truly unforgivable n/t
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:01 PM
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76. "We need more like him"
Yeah! We need "more like him" spreading the word that the govt
invented HIV as a genocide to wipe out blacks.

Brilliant!

:tinfoilhat:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:01 PM
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77. "We need more like him"
Yeah! We need "more like him" spreading the word that the govt
invented HIV as a genocide to wipe out blacks.

Brilliant!

:tinfoilhat:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:08 PM
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90. Yet another soundbite ripped from context.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:43 PM
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133. By all means...put it "in" context
So you're a member of the govt invented HIV club?
Congrats!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:48 PM
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135. You'd have to listen to the entire sermon.
I think that ought to be a basic rational requirement for anyone wanting to comment on his remarks.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:25 PM
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19. As one who has attended Trinity as a visitor, I absolutely believe Rev. Wright. n/t
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:06 PM
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83. Which branch of the government invented HIV?
Please share....
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:09 PM
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No branch of government deliberately infected african americans with disease, either.
Oh wait.... yes they did.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:29 PM
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28. I don't believe this man or any explanation he may offer...
His "sermons" sound absolutely nuts. I will never be convinced this pastor loves this country. He does not!!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:32 PM
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32. Alright Nash McCabe. Thanks for your opinion. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:33 PM
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33. If you can write that, you've obviously never heard one of his sermons. n/t
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:34 PM by sfexpat2000
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:35 PM
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35. Sermons are as much to afflict the comfortable as to comfort the afflicted. n/t
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. *sigh*
when did democrats become so jingoistic?

i must have missed the memo
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:38 PM
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39. It's just the few, the loud and the ugly. Never mind it.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:44 PM by sfexpat2000
:hi:

Oops! And, welcome to DU.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:09 PM
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95. oh... okay then...
carry on :)

and thx
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:45 PM
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46. When some black guy tried to steal the nomination from their Queen. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:52 PM
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60. "I belong / in the service of the Queen" - Counting Crows.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:54 PM by sfexpat2000
:rofl:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #28
43. Hey, I think I found a picture of you!
That's you on the right, isn't it?

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:48 PM
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52. Anything requiring a little thought sounds nuts to idiots n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:48 PM
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53. And I'm convinced that those of you who don't get it simply don't want to.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:50 PM by Forkboy
Intellectual laziness or stupidity? Pick one.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:49 PM
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56. There's a third choice. Mean-spirited hate n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:50 PM
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57. That's born from my two options.
;)

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #57
79. It's hard to believe that people can run into someone who has done so much
for so many and not recognize what a GFO it is.

Something must be wrong with my imagination.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:06 PM
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85. Partisan blindness leads to all kinds of idiotic positions one has to take to maintain that.
:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. So maybe my imagination is okay, but I'm not much of joiner?
lol

:crazy:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:14 PM
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107. Welcome to my world.
:hug:

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #107
127. LOl! Gotcha!
:hug:

:hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:55 PM
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138. Touche
:hi:
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:59 PM
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73. Who gives a fuck what you believe?
Hillarian phony.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:04 PM
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81. "... he MAY offer"?? That's the posture of a close-minded bigot.
You're pathetic.

:puke:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:10 PM
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96. You've never listened to one of his sermons in your life.
You've listened to media sound bites. I'm absolutely convinced, and just like your attitude toward Rev. Wright, nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise, either.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:13 PM
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104. ...
:toast:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #104
123. I can do that! In fact, I can't wait till we can all put this season behind and have a drink...
..and start planning for the general.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #96
116. Too many big words in the sermons. nt
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:39 PM
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40. Total nut case.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:46 PM
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47. Keep spitting on our Churches and Pastors idiot n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:47 PM
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49. Ignore, like me, is your friend.
:hug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:56 PM
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65. Hi sfexpat2000
:hug:

I'd be too scared to ignore some people here. The depth of their hate for anything out of their Beverly Hillbilly insular world is frightening. I can't ignore ugly. Stupid yes, ugly no ;)

Did you watch Colbert last night? He was great. I can't wait to see what Olberman runs tonight :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #65
70. I did see that. A double header, TDS + TCR.
:hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:44 PM
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134. I laughed so hard I cried. Kind of like some of these threads
:rofl:

I'm looking forward to tonight.

Olberman, alive and well to me :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:00 PM
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140. "I see dead people!"
:rofl:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #140
142. That would make such a great poster!
I hope I have time tonight. You're a star!

:rofl:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:49 PM
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55. Up your meds honey, you'll need it
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #55
67. Can't sweetie. Too many HRC supporters in the long line ahead of me
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:57 PM by Catherina
The good Doctor Dean gave them an emergency prescription

Go figure

:hi:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:47 PM
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48. "He's a politician ... he says what he has to say as a politician"
I thought the truth was the truth, regardless. At least that's the first HONEST statement to come out of this whole thing: that Obama is a politician, and he'll say whatever he has to say as a politician.

Bake
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #48
59. This is just unreal to me. Clinton attends a prayer group that teaches
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 02:54 PM by sfexpat2000
that Christian elites should rule the planet. Nothing ever about that.

The Reverend Wright holds this country accountable for its bullshit AND teaches love and forgiveness and unity and he gets trashed.

That really IS unforgivable. It's unforgivable that our whore media used a sound bite to represent the whole man and his career, and it's unforgivable that so many people who should know better have bought in.

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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:48 PM
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51. It really says something when Wright is more revered than Hillary among the netroots. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:53 PM
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61. YES IT DOES!! You're are absolutley RIGHT!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. And until Obama went to the Senate, Wright was bigger than he was.
For all I know, Wright still may be. We all saw how pastors and other dignitaries came to his defense.

How many people could muster that kind of support in the face of a media hitjob?
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #51
125. Yup,
it sure does!!!
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:48 PM
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54. Good to hear he's finally getting a fair hearing
All the ignorance wrt Wright has really shaken my faith in the progress we've made as a country. Hopefully this will help iron things out.

David
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:51 PM
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58. God Bless Rev Wright may we onde day hold him in reverance with the likes of Dr King.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:54 PM
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62. He can go to hell
I cannot wait until he is never heard of again
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #62
74. Don't count on it. We neeeegroes tend to be the sentimental, faithful type
I'll be sure to keep the tradition alive like maybe posting Wright's Sunday sermons here every week.

Sooner or letter a little light might get into a few hard hearts :hi:
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #74
93. broadcast him daily across the country up to election day


:hi:


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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #93
113. I second that!!!
People need to know that the government knew about Pearl Harbor in advance. The "MSM" is covering it up!!

:rofl:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #93
136. No problem. Smart people will understand
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 03:55 PM by Catherina
and racist shitheads, well, they'll remain racist shitheads. Thankfully they're dying off and new generations are replacing their bigotry with acceptance of all human beings without any of that white superiority bullshit.

I feel so sorry for older people from another time when it was ok to be racist and racebait.

For you, my sorrow is a bottomless pit.

:hi:
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. True, Wright is 65
:hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #137
139. How very close to Hillary's age. You're not letting that $3000 makeup job fool you are you?
I'm glad you understand she has a race problem and isn't fit to lead this country. We're off to a good start already Goldie sweetie.

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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #139
144. Her race problem just improved with the PA win
and she is 60, average boomer age, the largest generation, count on them being around and voting in force for at least 3 more GE after this one. :hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:24 PM
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145. Improved ya think? Must be the air in Hillaryland
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 04:27 PM by Catherina
Ok. Tnxbai. More important things call like Hillary giving away taxpayers money to buy votes. What a corrupt ole geezer.

Hillary trades Pork for Donations, Rolling Stone article Link

:hi:
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #145
146. Yes you could see the defeated look on
Michelle's face after Obama gave his concession speech

buying votes with taxpayers money? Less money than Obama using $1 million in taxpayers money (pork or earmark) to donate to Michelle's employer, which gave her a $200,000 a year raise.
Huh! those tax dollars went directly into Obama's household income.

Don't throw stones from a glass house.

:hi:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:11 PM
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148. I see you didn't read that article. Hillary the Queen of Pork
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 05:17 PM by Catherina

The Queen of Pork


Nobody doles out taxpayer money like Hillary Clinton — or rakes in as much campaign cash from the companies she does favors for


...

Months later, while researching pork-barrel spending by the presidential candidates, I came across three federal budgetary awards requested by Hillary Clinton in this fiscal year:

    •$446,500 Abyssinian Development Corporation, New York, to support and expand youth and young-adult after-school and summer programs (Discretionary Grants — Juvenile Justice Programs) COM 08 D Rangel Schumer Clinton

    •$893,000 Abyssinian Development Corporation programs for at-risk youth, New York (Discretionary Grants — Juvenile Justice Programs) COM 08 D Rangel Clinton Schumer

    •$146,000 Abyssinian Development Corporation, to support and expand youth- and family-displacement prevention programs (Social Services — Department of Health and Human Services) LABHHS 08 D Clinton Schumer


If you haven't already guessed, Calvin Butts is the chairman of the Abyssinian Development Corporation. The above-mentioned $1.5 million in federal funds that Hillary requested on behalf of Butts' organization had been approved by Congress a month before she received the minister's timely endorsement. Maybe the minister was following his conscience in endorsing Hillary — but then, it never hurts to have a little financial incentive when it comes to difficult decisions like these, does it?

...

But of the three candidates, no one can touch Hillary Clinton for her expertise in dispensing federal pork. She is fast becoming a sort of Heavyweight Earmark Champion of the Beltway — one think-tank analyst has even dubbed her the "Queen of Pork" — who excels as a favor trader not only in sheer quantity but in brazenness as well. A recent examination of this year's earmark requests shows her solidifying her champion status more and more with each passing year, even under the ostensibly bright lights of a presidential campaign.

...

Hillary's $1.5 million gift to Calvin Butts came from three of her earmarks in the fiscal year 2008. She had a lot of them. In fact, between 2002 and 2006, Clinton secured more than $2.2 billion in earmarks, many of them attached to defense-spending bills, where she has unusual influence as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Hillary succeeded in securing twenty-six earmarks to the 2008 defense bill worth a total of $148 million — a number that dwarfed that of any Democrat except committee chairman Carl Levin. Barack Obama, by contrast, had only one request attached to the defense bill.

...

But neither McCain nor Obama have been able to match Clinton when it comes to playing on their connections for campaign contributions. Last fall, while Obama was answering questions about using his leadership PAC to give $10,000 donations to politicians who supported him in key campaign-trail states, no one blinked when former senator Bob Kerrey showed up in Iowa to campaign for Hillary. Kerrey these days is president of the New School in Manhattan, which, like Butts' Abyssinian Development Corporation, scored more than $1.5 million in federal earmarks this year courtesy of Hillary. The school also boasts three trustees who are "Hillraisers" or Hillary bundlers — meaning they've raised $100,000 apiece for her presidential run. The notorious scam artist Norman Hsu, who raised $850,000 for Clinton before being indicted for fraud last December, was another New School trustee.

...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20306341/the_queen_of_pork


She's so disgusting. What a political whore. She's almost as disgusting as certain of her supporters who want to hide this shocking corruption and stick it to the working class that has to pay for it. What was Hillary's quote about the working class again? Oh yeah, "Screw 'em".

And you're worried about Reverend Wright explaining why stealing from poor to subsidize companies that kill innocent people is wrong. You don't understand Martin Luther King's thoughts about "Why God May Damn America", how could I expect you to understand Reverend Wright?

Your candidate is FOUL. F-O-U-L.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #62
94. You sound identical to the folks who attacked and smeared Dr. King in the 60s.
Right-wing bigots. Nasty, mean-spirited, ignorant, and hateful people.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #94
101. I thought they only came out at night.
:shrug:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #101
106. That's quite often the case ...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 03:15 PM by TahitiNut
... by the light of burning crosses and wearing bedsheets. Human scum.

They attacked my grandfather in the 20s and they're every bit as despicable now as then, no matter what they wear.


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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #94
108. your description sounds like Wright
in the 21st century


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. You're projecting.
Seek help.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #109
114. it was YOUR description
and projection


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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:55 PM
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63. Wright is A-OK. The man speaks the truth. Baffles me that some are UNWILLING to accept that. n/t
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #63
72. "The man speaks the truth"
This just in....govt invented HIV to wipe out blacks, spread the word!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. It's such a stretch to believe that, right?
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 03:05 PM by thecatburgler
I mean, you'd think the US Government had allowed black men to suffer untreated syphillis for decades in order to study them or something...

Oh wait.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #82
86. Hundreds of years of medical abuse and neglect.
But, we don't talk about that in polite company. :puke:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #82
87. I realize you believe it, I think you should spread the word
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #87
100. I realize you're a dumbass. I'll be spreading that word. nt
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. "I realize you're a dumbass"
Class act!
Barry would be proud, the politics of hope and change and all that.
Good job!

:rofl:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. I am Barry's self-appointed unrestrained id.
Telling dumbasses like you what he can't say out loud. :patriot:
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #103
118. More crying, just like Hillary.
Is it real though?
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #72
92. lol that's the only one i can't defend...
but only becuz i can't prove it :)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #92
105. But the notion is perfectly defensible as a fear when so many
non-white people in this country have been subjected to so much abuse by government-sponsored medical science.

My family is Latino, or half of them are, and they don't trust doctors and for good reason. They hold the memory of abuse and neglect of their parents and grandparents.

What does it say about this culture that people hold those memories and have those fears? :shrug:
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #105
121. you're preaching to the choir, brother
(or sister; i didn't check)

but the tuskegee experiment? smallpox blankets? it's in the history books

so the aids thing? it's not that far-fetched, imo
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #72
111. Wright has three presidential commendations, what do you have?
(Besides a closed mind.)
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #111
115. A membership in good standing at FR?
Wonder what his user name is over there.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #115
119. Bingo! You got it!
:thumbsup:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #115
141. Bingo! The most hilarious thing is watching how easily they blend in with HRC supporters
and are accepted as one of their own.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:01 PM
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78. If anyone thinks Wright is "radical" they should read what Jesus said.
That guy wasn't too fond of the ruling classes either.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. There you go, playing the Jesus card.
:rofl:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #78
132. A dangerous ungrateful revolutionary that Jesus.
You realize what you said requires thought, integrity and some of dat there fancy reading :shrug:

:hi:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #132
143. Yeah. Real "elitist" stuff.
Come to think of it, that Jesus feller had a few words about thought and integrity. Way to "radical" though.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:06 PM
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84. Rec'd for Wright. Anybody see the video of Rendell praising Farrakhan? n/t
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:08 PM
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91. It's a testament to our corporate media that he has to.
There was nothing wrong with his sermon.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. But the payoff is, we get to hear and see him when we wouldn't otherwise.
Their short term cr@p has a way of paying off in the long run for us. Shhh!
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:11 PM
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99. Welcome back "Reverend"
please stay in the spotlight as long as possible!!

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #99
112. Wecome back BigDDumb.
Please keep us apprised of what the Freepers are thinking about.

:sarcasm:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #112
117. Please keep us apprised of what the Freepers are thinking about.
only if you'll keep us apprised of the next govt invented virus to
wipe out blacks....keep us informed kitty!

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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #117
122. We should go to the source, for freeptard info,
what are they up to?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #117
124. Well there is this one that seems to be going around now.
It's called Southernstrategyoccolus. It doesn't wipe out black people, but it causes people like the Clintons to deny the validity of their votes in primaries.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #124
126. "Oh, if you're going to count black votes . . ." -- Jon Stewart. n/t
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #99
128. ...Yeah for Reverend Wright and all the TV spots from now
until the nomination....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. Because we should never pass over a chance to promote
American ugly ignorance. :woohoo:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #128
131. But won't that make you cry because Rev. Wright hates America so?
Why, how could your delicate constitution possibly withstand repeated portrayals of a person who refuses to demonstrate proper jingoistic flag-humping patriotism? :sarcasm:

I'll be buying stock in smelling salt companies.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #131
149. Wright obviously doesn't think much
of your candidate or he would have kept his racist mouth shut until after the elections. He is going to bring Obama down - in fact, it looks like he threw Obama under the bus calling him out as just a politician.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #149
150. Oh, I see, it's the "racism" now.
You poor, poor, dear. It must be so hard to be a good God fearing White American these days! Everyone's picking on you. :sarcasm:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:23 PM
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120. The article shows a subtle bias
The use of "they" in quotation marks paints him as paranoid, when in fact he was very clear (twice) about the specific, real people "they" (used only once) referred to.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:34 PM
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129. I went back to read and you're right.
Either they never stop their BS or they themselves don't recognize it.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 01:43 AM
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151. "... sermons preached 15, seven, six years ago"?? WRONG! Try 1-2 years ago, Mr. Wright.
This guy's not just a "wackadoodle", he's a compulsive liar.
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