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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:12 PM
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Obama gets a head start in Indiana, I call it a Panicked Move.
Obama gets a head start in Indiana, I call it a Panicked Move

Barrack Obama was already in Indiana getting a head start over Hillary Clinton in their upcoming Indiana Primary even before the voting had closed in Pennsylvania. Of course Hillary had to stay in Pennsylvania and thank Pennsylvanians for her win, that was the right thing to do. In the past, Hillary has also left a state early if she lost. But there is a difference this time. Barrack spent an obscene amount of money in Pennsylvania. Just leaving the state of Pennsylvania the way that he did was not the politically correct thing to do. In my opinion, you don't blanket the state with television commercials, and then just disappear the night of the actual vote. It was wrong.

You don't spend double or triple what your opponent spends and then head out before the votes are tallied. To make matters worse, Obama lost in Pennsylvania then spent more than twice as much time talking on television during his concession speech than Hillary spent speaking as the winner. Obama seems to double up on everything. Obama spends double the money as compared to Hillary Clinton, and loses. Then Barrack Obama spends double the amount of time talking after a primary defeat compared to his victorious opponent. The only change I am seeing in Barrack Obama is one of largess.

To top it off, Obama's speech wasn't even a concession speech. To those who insist that the Clinton side fights dirty, what Obama did was leave the starting gate before the starter's gun had gone off, and I consider that to be another act of disrespect and elitism.

Viewpoints and Editorials by Alessandro Machi. (2008). Dwell in Possibility.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:13 PM
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1. Because he always assumed he'd lose PA.
Just like when Hillary left South Carolina before the polls were even closed.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:13 PM
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2. "Disrespect and elitism?" Man, some people just swallow that spin from the 109m girl
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:14 PM
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3. WTF??
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:14 PM
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4. Was it a panicked move for Obama to give his Potomac Primary Victory Speech in Wisconsin?
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:15 PM
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5. LOL. Does he sometimes put his socks on inside out?
:applause:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:15 PM
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6. This writer doesn't even have a good command of the language.
lol

I hope the Clinton campaign isn't spending too much on him.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:15 PM
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How dare he run his campaign the way he wants to!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:15 PM
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7. Oh, honestly. How many times did Hillary head out to the next state
before the old one? Several times!

Furthermore, Obama had the good form to actually congratulate here. I distinctly recall at least one, probably more, primary losses where Hillary didn't even MENTION the fact that there was a primary that day. Honestly.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:16 PM
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8. Raising All Of That Money Is Another Sign Of Obama's Desperation
If he were confident, he wouldn't feel the need to load up on cash.

And his need to win all of those primaries? Proof of failure. Irrefutable proof.

And black? It's white.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:27 PM
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27. A case of epic fail.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:37 PM
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35. And round? Is flat!
OMG I'm seriously going to dissolve into giggles if I read another thread like this.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:42 PM
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40. People with REAL self-esteem don't need others to validate them
If he really had what it takes to lead our country, he'd be wearing a wife-beater, sitting in a recliner, drinking MGD, and watching ESPN.

Obama is just not psychologically fit to lead. :(
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:17 PM
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9. Maybe if Hillary spent less time thanking and more time campaigning she wouldn't have lost
Not sure you want to be criticizing his campaigning techniques considering how badly she has been schooled.

p.s. he has moved on to the next state immediately after every primary he could, win or lose
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:17 PM
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10. I can't believe I read that long post.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:17 PM
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11. Dumb
He also was in WI the night of the Potomac primaries. And he did congratulate Clinton. She never congratulated him for his victories.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:18 PM
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12. where was hillary on the eve of the WI primary???
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:18 PM
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13. the Hill-Spin is in full effect tonight......
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:18 PM
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14. It's so unfair when Hillary is soooo broke.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:18 PM
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15. It wasn't a concession speech?
Unlike when Hillary has lost, Obama congratulated her on her victory saying that she ran a terrific race. He even stopped the crowd from booing her. I've never seen Hillary do that.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:19 PM
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16. Wha...???
What's the blogger whining about? If there was any sort of breach of "election etiquette" on Obama's part in speaking where he spoke or as long as he spoke, then you can bet the HRC camp would've been all over that exploitation opportunity. He's just kvetching about Hillary being outearned leading to her being outspent.

He gets negative credibility points for not even being astute enough to spell "Barack" correctly. It's not as if he hasn't seen the name in print ever before. :eyes:

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:19 PM
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17. He's running scared
We better donate!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:19 PM
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18. Wow. This is over the top, and I support Hillary. WTF?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:19 PM
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19. Lame, regardless of who anyone supports.
Use your head and stop being a partisan hack. You're smarter than falling for this kind of weak spin, no matter who you like as a candidate.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:20 PM
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20. Hillary has spent 200 million
on her campaign. Why is she losing?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:20 PM
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21. BS Alert: "To top it off, Obama's speech wasn't even a concession speech."
Within 40 seconds into Obama's speech in Indiana, he congratulated Hillary Clinton for her win in Pennsylvania.

What's the FUCK is he supposed to do?

Alessandro Machi. (2008). Dwell in IMPossibility.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:22 PM
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22. *snort*
Will you please provide links of where Clinton congratulated Obama on his victories in...

-Washington
-Kansas
-Louisiana
-Nebraska
-Virginia
-D.C.
-Maryland
-Maine
-Hawaii
-Democrats abroad
-Wisconsin

I'd appreciate it. Don't worry, I'll wait. :hi:
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:22 PM
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23. This random blogger you've found is a talking point spewing idiot
Good job posting him!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:23 PM
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24. The panic is from Hillary supporters who realize the party is over.
PA netted her 14 delegates which will be wiped out and more on May 6.

If she has enough money to last that long.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:25 PM
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25. OMG, how DARE he fire up the crowd in Indiana! This was his night to SUFFER!
To top it off, Obama's speech wasn't even a concession speech. To those who insist that the Clinton side fights dirty, what Obama did was leave the starting gate before the starter's gun had gone off, and I consider that to be another act of disrespect and elitism.

Good grief. Starter's gun? what did you expect him to do in Indiana, flagellate himself?
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:38 PM
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36. ROFL. His night to suffer. Hee.
He was supposed to scratch at his face and tear his clothes!!!

:rofl:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:27 PM
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26. Read the handwriting on the wall!
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:27 PM
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28. I can see that anything he does irritates you.
Do try to post legitimate criticism, though. This is so petty it's ridiculous.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:29 PM
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29. Had to stop laughing ...
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 09:31 PM by NanceGreggs
... before I could reply. :rofl:

"Obama gets a head start in Indiana, I call it a Panicked Move."

Most people call it "smart campaigning".

"Of course Hillary had to stay in Pennsylvania and thank Pennsylvanians for her win, that was the right thing to do."

Too bad she doesn't consider paying her debts to small business vendors across the country "the right thing to do".

"Obama spends double the money as compared to Hillary Clinton, and loses."

Hillary's financial woes are her problem, not Obama's. And let's conveniently fail to mention that Obama whittled down Hillary's previous 25-point lead in PA down to a "win" of 9 points - she's a house-on-fire, no?

"To top it off, Obama's speech wasn't even a concession speech."

What was he expected to 'concede'? The fact that he's still ahead in this race, and she doesn't have a prayer of changing that?

"... what Obama did was leave the starting gate before the starter's gun had gone off ..."

Is this one of those HRC new, heretofore unknown "rules" of the game? There's now a "starter's gun" that must be obeyed? Was this new rule introduce before the new rule that says delegates don't count, it's the popular vote that counts? Or was this introduced after the new rule that says we have to count MI and FL even though everyone agreed they wouldn't be counted?

The HRC Spin Machine is now, officially, out of control.




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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:40 PM
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38. We should do a list of the top 50 craziest Hillary spin
threads we've ever seen.

This one will make the top ten, fo sho.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:46 PM
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43. Great idea ...
... only problem is that if we limited it to only the Top 50 Craziest Things, we'd have to leave out a LOT of truly priceless stuff!
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:47 PM
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44. I've started a bookmarked list.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:30 PM
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30. You have got to be kidding
"act of disrespect and elitism"

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:31 PM
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31. I think he gauged correctly that that last night and day in PA wasn't going to net him any votes. n
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:33 PM
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32. Is that the worst criticism you can come up with on Obama?
Wow. Talk about stretching. I can say a few worse things about Hillary, but I've been trying like hell to remain civil.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:35 PM
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33. Sooo many things wrong with this OP.
1) He spent an "obscene" amount of money in PA because his campaign is getting an obscene number of contributions. The money spent in PA did absolutely nothing to hurt his bank and accomplished two things...it narrowed Clinton's lead from 20+ to 9 and it forced her to break her bank. Obama has over $40M left. Clinton as nothing (even after the "huge influx" of money she's received in the last 24 hours).

2) Why is it a breach of etiquette to move onto the next contest once campaigning for PA is over? As you said, Clinton has done it, as have countless other candidates. There's nothing wrong with leaving when the battle is over to start working on the next one.

3) Obama's concession speech was, indeed, a concession speech. He congratulated Clinton even as his audience booed. Especially considering the animosity in this campaign it was a gracious speech.

...and how is moving on to Indiana "leaving the starting gate before the starter's gun has gone off"? There is absolutely NO set of rules governing when one can begin to campaign in a state. Was it "disrespectful and elitist" that he was in Indiana last week, even before the PA primary?


I'd really like to know where some people come up with these bizarre "rules"...
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:36 PM
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34. BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA.
I'm sorry, all I can do anymore is laugh at these crazy threads. WTF? What would he have accomplished staying around until they finished all the votes?

For that matter, aren't they still finalizing everything in PA? GOSH WHY AREN'T THEY BOTH STILL THERE? WHY DID HILLARY LEAVE PA????

BTW, she stayed longer because it's her ancestral home. Duh.

:rofl:

This shit is hilarious. He left the state to campaign elsewhere? OHMAHGAWD!
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:39 PM
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37. Barack has always announced a loss or victory in the next state of the race.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 09:42 PM by barack the house
Why are we panicked the race can't change from here.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:41 PM
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39. You do realize that both candidates have already started campaigning
in Indiana long before now? Here's an article from March 17, about Hillary campaigning in Indiana: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15619041/detail.html

There is no "starting gate" or timeline of when you can or can't campaign in a state. If you are posting this in agreement with the blogger, then both of you need to retake Politics 101 and learn how this all works.

And I don't want to hear one single Hillary supporter say a word about concession speeches. He congratulated her on her win, which was a lot more than Clinton did on at least 2 occasions.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:45 PM
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41. LOL
Hillary supporters would be boring if it wasn't so entertaining to laugh at them and their desperate spin....
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:45 PM
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42. That is painfully dumb. The night of the Potomac Primaries, he gave his speech from a rally in
Wisconsin.

Do you guys have any recollection of the times when Hillary left the state and then didn't even thank the voters of that state where she had just lost? You do realize she usually insults the states and their voters after she loses them by dismissing or bashing them in a variety of ways - they "don't count", "insignificant", the "people who don't need a President", a caucus state, an open Primary, a red state in the General Election, etc.

Disrespect? The Clinton's are the experts at disrespecting enormous swathes of the Democratic Party.
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