Former Edwards Supporters

[Indenturedebtor]

Would you hate Hillary if Edwards was now the inevitable nominee and she was flinging mud like this and hurting our chances in the GE?

I often hear it said that "Obamabots are just whining" "Can't take the heat" "He needs to be vetted with poison" and all that by those who want to defend Clintons kitchen sink no-ethics-in-politics strategy. Personally I was disgusted when the Swiftboat attacks came out, and I would have been just as disgusted if Kerry tried to swiftboat Boosh.

[EstimatedProphet]

1. From what I have seen, it's the Obama camp that's been worse

Especially today. So, I guess not.

[Indenturedebtor]

3. I don't judge HRC by her supporters

I've known plenty of people in my life who I don't like that have like me. That has nothing to do with how a campaign is run or with the character of the candidate.

That's one of Hillarys favorite RW attacks though "You knew this guy and had lunch with him and he's evil so you're evil." Disgusting. I wonder if McDeath will give her a "Medal of Sameness" when he takes the whitehouse for her troubles.

[redqueen]

8. No small distinction, that.

What the candidate does vs. what people on message boards do.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... :think:

[merh]

12. LOL - do not confuse the people on this forum as the campaigns

What hillary has done to obama, the crap she has pulled is far worse than anything he has done to her or her campaign.

Stop confusing DU for the campaigns, if you can do that you will appreciate the OP and cannot help but to agree with it.

[EstimatedProphet]

16. Why? It's the exact same crap that swiftboaters did in 2004.

They spewed all sorts of negative shit, and their guy claimed he had nothing to do with it.

I could care less who's responsible for it. I'm tired of seeing it.

[merh]

25. No it is not.

To begin with, it is hillary that has been spewing the negatives.

Then you add to it her lies and her "obliterate" rhetoric and it is easy to tell that she is the one creating her negatives.

This board is not the 527's that were the swiftboats, please try to grasp just a piece of reality and recognize that this board is just a bunch of dems venting with a few trolls who have joined to cause problems.

If you worry for swiftboating, please check the Hillary playbook, she is the one that uses Rovian tactics and embraces Scaife and fox.

You can stop looking in GDP then you won't "see it". If you do that maybe then you will realize who it is that has been going all negative and then projecting their campaign tactics on their opponent. Also, you might realize that DU is not the end all of politics, if it were Kucinich or Edwards would be our nominee and Hillary would have dropped out long ago.

[EstimatedProphet]

32. You missed the bigger meaning of what I was saying

which doesn't surprise me one bit. Then you tell me I need to grasp just a piece of reality, because I see things a different way than you do.

Of course all the negativity comes from the Hillary camp.

[merh]

35. If you are equating the venting here to the swiftboating of Kerry

then yeah, you need to get a gripe on reality.

Again the supporters or the camp of either candidate here does not equate to either candidate's campaign.

[MADem]

2. No.

You're trying to create a false assertion, there, too. No one's flinging mud but you. No one's hurting "our" chances in the GE. Strong contests make for strong candidates.

You need to shape up and realize that the magic number is 2024. Not "being ahead." Not "Ewwwwwww, SHE (never mind HE) can't WIIIIIIN..." (stomp foot). News Flash: Neither can "HEEEEEE."

You either hit that magic number or all bets are off. That's the way it is. If you don't like that, well, too bad. Slog on smartly.

[Indenturedebtor]

6. So then

If you don't hit that number but you lead in all the numbers: states won, popular vote, pledged delegates, money raised. Do you then give the election to the loser because you feel like it? Does that make sense? Because she can not catch up to him at this point. It's over.

[MADem]

9. You don't know how it works, do you?

Obviously not, from that whinging post.

It goes to the convention floor--THAT's how it works.

And as I said, HE hasn't "caught up" either.

Hit the number, or shut up and stop whining--that's how it works. Being "ahead" does NOT entitle one to the nomination.

[Indenturedebtor]

34. There would be much less of a problem with

There would be much less of a problem with going to the convention if she wasn't trying to hard to drag him down into the sewer. There's a difference between lifting yourself up and in dragging others down to your level.

It's not whining, it's an honest and valid critique of her horrible traitorous superficial attacks on our inevitable nominee. Yes inevitable. Her only hope at winning simply will not happen and deep down you know that. It's that hollow feeling in the pit of your stomach that you try to fill with vitriol.

[MADem]

36. It's called POLITICS. If he can get dragged down so easily by what all of the Obama fans are

calling the "weaker" candidate then he's gonna get his skinny little ASS handed to him by the STRONGEST of the GOP candidates.

It IS whining. If your candidate was meant to have the prize, he'll get it. Let the process play out, because if you truncate it, you WILL lose twenty five percent of Clinton's supporters. If it plays out, and he wins, we will have a unified party and people WILL accept the results.

Let the people VOTE. And you need to toughen up. This wussy attitude and crying about Clinton being "mean" is getting rather pathetic. It makes Obama look like a fucking weakling. You may think you're "helping" him, but you're turning him into a gelding with all the coddling and concern. He's a big boy, and this is the big arena. Either he fights it out and wins, or he goes home.

[Beaverhausen]

38. Here here - very well said.

:applause:

[rateyes]

4. Current Edwards supporter here. My advice;

Don't get mad. Get even.

Channel your anger into footwork to get Obama a huge victory in NC and a win in Indiana. Hillary has shown us that she believes "all is fair in love, war and presidential politics."

Encourage Obama to ask keep asking Clinton: "When are you going to pay your vendors? How are you going to handle the country's economy when you can't even pay your campaign's bills? When are you and Bill going to release your 2007 tax returns? When are you going to admit that your vote for the IWR was a politically motivated lack of judgment? Where's your flag pin? Does Richard Scaife love America as much as you do?"

[onehandle]

5. I wouldn't be happy and am not happy now. Are Obama supporters still calling Edwards a phony? nt

[Indenturedebtor]

7. I'm not voting for his supporters

I wouldn't vote for me if that was the case... I vent my anger at Hillary on an hourly basis hahha. But I was an Edwards supporter before he dropped out, and I took just as much vitriol from everyone elses supporters.

[redqueen]

10. This insistence on putting so much importance on what supporters do...

un.

frickin.

believable.

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. Then what's your point in posting?

Words mean things. If you think that by writing you might convince people to see things your way, you must consider yourself influential.

When I'm called "white trash", "racist" and an "ignorant white fuck", is it not reasonable to suggest that I might be influenced by that too?

[redqueen]

19. Yeah... I was called names too. Doesn't impact my opinion of HIllary. I'm not an idiot. (nt)

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. Dad was right. I guess I do learn something every day. n/t

[redqueen]

22. Is that an attempt at a dig?

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. You jest. All non-idiots could tell instantly. n/t

[redqueen]

31. Keep 'em comin.

:hi:

[onehandle]

11. Neither am I. But I know what I was told before Edwards dropped out (and since now and then).

That being said, if Obama is the nominee, I will work my ass off for him and send him much $.

[indimuse]

13. ??

are you kidding?

[Indenturedebtor]

15. Kidding about what?

I'd be happy to answer your question if you would be more specific.

[Krashkopf]

14. The ONLY one's saying that . . .

"Obamabots are just whining" "Can't take the heat"

are Hillary Clinton, and her people.

Every time Obama has responded to the mud hurled by the Clinton camp . . . whether it was in response to the hate-filled, subtly racist, attacks on his minister, or the "trumped up" outrage about Obama's "elitism" . . . he has done so with eloquence, humor, and vision.

I was originally an Edwards guy, but the more I see of Obama, the more I want him to be the person answering the phone in the hot kitchen at 3 a.m.

[AlCzervik]

18. look i don't Clinton and i don't hold her supporters against her, she can't control what they

say just like Obama can't control what we his supporters say. tons of nasty vitriol on both sides which i try and ignore because it doesn't help, it's not informative.

Having said that i'm not at interested in defending what the Clinton Campaign has done, if (i hope not) she is the nominee i will vote her because i'm sitting this one out, Clinton would still be better than McCain.

Now once the nominee is settled on McCain needs to be gone after on everything, no taking the high road this time, sorry i know that sounds bad but it's just too important and we don't have the luxury of being above all that.

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. I would strongly support Edwards if he were running against Hillary

I wouldn't be surprised when my candidate gets attacked for haircuts, nice houses and other silly distractions. I've gotten used to it.

I would not have been disgusted with Kerry if he had given as good as he got. The high road is often not the straight line to the destination.

[balantz]

23. There would be no poo flinging at this date if Edwards was in Obama's place.

Had Edwards been allowed to get this far he would be the nominee. Clinton would have already dropped out.

[cali]

26. I doubt it. In fact, that's ridiculous. What on earth makes

you think she'd drop out if Edwards were in Obama's position? And the stupid crap about how Edwards wasn't allowed to win, is absurd. Why? Because of the facts. Edwards put all his eggs in the Iowa basket. Iowa is the ultimate retail politics state, a place where MSM influence is far less important that person to person politicking. Edwards spent over 2 years making his case to Iowans. He wasn't able to. They rejected him. And the same is true of NH.

[balantz]

27. When Edwards came in second in Iowa, ahead of Clinton,

the media barely mentioned his second placing.

He won over Clinton in Iowa.

[cali]

29. gee, do you think that could be because the two were separated

by less than a freakin' percent?? They tied. And Obama won by 8 points with three of them in the mix. Edwards needed to win Iowa or come in a close second. he just couldn't do it.

[Orsino]

24. I don't know that she is hurting our chances.

I think that a united Democratic Party will make short work of the GOP, even if that doesn't get up and running until summer.

But I could be wrong, and no telling how long the window will last.

[Beaverhausen]

28. It's called a campaign. I personally think that it's not hurting our chances in the GE

If Obama doesn't fight it now, how can we believe he can fight what comes at him in the GE? Don't think for a minute the repukes won't throw far more at him. They would throw anything at which ever candidate we choose.

Even though I'm still sad, angry and cynical that Edwards isn't still in the race I'm trying to look at it this way: it's pretty cool that we have two strong and potentially historic nominees to choose from. They are very different in their approaches and voters are choosing which approach they believe will solve the huge probems we have in this country.

[Awsi Dooger]

33. Agreed

The sample size of presidential elections, particularly within memory, is so small that we're desperate to be outraged and pessimistic, if current form doesn't fit what we're accustomed to.

I supported Edwards in '04 and '08. As much as a like him, he was a work in progress, far superior in winter '08 than any point in '04 or '07. No doubt he'd be increasingly improved, and ready for the fall, while engaging Hillary 1-on-1 for several months.

[Monty__]

37. I don't hate Hillary and wouldn't hate her if Edwards were still in it....

I don't like the campaign she's running though.