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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:35 AM
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The thing I love about the Clintons...
is that they win.

They fucking win.

When everybody counts them out, they win. When they're considered has-beens, they win. They just don't stop fucking winning. And boy, that pisses people off.

And I love that about them, too. They piss off all the right people.

I don't predict that Clinton will get the nomination. But I believe she will. Because they just fucking WIN!
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:36 AM
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1. ??? Shes won 14 of 44
That would be good if she was playing baseball???
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:44 AM
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42. 14 of 44 what?
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:54 AM
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47. On a red/ blue map of the country, most of the map is red...
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 07:54 AM by WillyToad
because most states are empty.

Do the math.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:38 AM
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2. Goodness: She was expected to WIN PA BIG.
No one was counting her out. BUT SHE LOST THE PRIMARIES. GAME OVER.

10 Delegates and 200K votes means he is still ahead by 160 delegates, and 500 + K votes.

And guess what the next big state is: NC.

He'll get them back again.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:39 AM
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5. Don't be upset if she wins the nomination
it's what she does.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:43 AM
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10. Not going to happen. SHE LOST. LOOOOSSSTT
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:46 AM
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11. She very well might
but I wouldn't bet against her.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:54 AM
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17. Those that actually put their money up disagree with you wholeheartedly.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:57 AM by JTFrog
You could make a nice chunk of change if she's the winner you claim she is.

http://www.intrade.com//?request_operation=main&request...

Barack Obama to be Democratic Presidential Nominee in 2008

Last Price: 81.4
What does this mean?

81.4 means the market predicts there is a 81.4%
chance that this event happens.

If you think it is more likely than this you should buy.
If you think it is less likely you should sell.


All markets trade between 0 ($0.0) and 100 ($10).

81.4 = $8.14

I think Hillary's Last Price was 16 or 17.

:)



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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:55 AM
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49. If I recall, you predicted her doom in New Hampshire...
I believe you posted the EXACT SAME LINE then, if I do recall...
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:15 PM
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119. It's okay. calm down. Take a couple of Xanax and wash it down with koolaid.
and maybe you won't LOOOOOSSSEE IT.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:47 AM
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14. No Problem. And if she doesn't, I guess you were wrong. Won't be the first time.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:59 AM
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19. no chance in hell. if she steals it by disenfranchising america
dont be upset when mccain becomes president, and you become an outcast among democrats.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:52 AM
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66. I make the decision to be a Democrat or not. NOT YOU or the party.
I AM A DEMOCRAT PARTY MEMBER and it is not the fuck up to you or them to cast me out. How fucking dare you?
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:42 AM
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84. outcasted, i say! - nt
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:03 AM
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81. We won't be. You might be, though. :-)
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:23 AM
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104. I don't think I'll be upset. I'll just write-in Obama's name then leave the Democratic Party...
...to become an Independent and I'm taking 14 other Democrats in my group with me. We've decided this months ago.

Should Hillary win it won't be she, but McCain who will be president.

The Clintons will be annihilated by the GOP right-wing regarding the pending suit in California because of felonious tactics back in 2000.

The California supreme court is ready to set a trial date any day now.
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-detai... /

The right-wing blogosphere is all fired about this "little known factoid". The media is curiously silent about it. Ever wonder why?

Hillary will be blown out of the water by the GOP/Fascist right-wing machine with OODLES of help by the American Propaganda-Press and Broadcast and McInsane will be the 44th President.

Then again, at least I can say, I never cast my vote for a warmongering DINO Dem who uses right-wing tactics against fellow Dems.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:32 AM
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110. I fear you are correct
the "powers" have lulled her into a false sense of self and entitlement, she won't be prepared for what will hit her by the 527s and the media, McCain can stay above it (not by choice, just he is too stupid to get it) and the effects will still be felt - folks don't like her, they don't want the co-presidency that she offers and there is dirt that has yet to come out or that has been ignored. Watch mccain's VP choice, that is who they want to rule, ermm, I mean they want to hold the office.



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rg302200 Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:10 PM
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130. Amen......n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:06 AM
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131. Putting aside any new attacks against Clinton ...
.... she would have had a hard time winning in November if she had cleanly won the nomination, say back on Super Tuesday, but the methods she's used to this point, and the fact that her only path to the nomination is the superdelegates stealing the nomination for her, she's going to have an even harder time. Her only chance will be a McCain implosion, maybe if he physically assaults her at a debate.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:57 AM
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18. But Obama spent what 100 million to her 30 million? How much has he paid for those 150 delegates?
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:01 AM
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20. obamas got money, worth every penny to close the gap between him
and hillary CLINTON. her last name is the only reason shes still in it. without that name recognition, obama could beat her as broke as she is, lol.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:02 AM
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21. He spent more than she did because he raised more than she did.
McCain is raising less than both of them, and if he loses the GE to one of them, you can't tell me that "But she/he outspent him!" is going to be accepted around DU as a valid point.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:02 AM
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34. Good Point.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:34 AM
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111. When's your Queen going to pay the creditors she owes? nt
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:45 AM
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43. But he won't get to 2025
Hillary is going to kick his ass at the convention.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:38 AM
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3. Winning is what they do. There are not enough Clinton haters in the world to
stop them. :woohoo:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:04 AM
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23. I don't understand all the hate... I believe there has been enough
posting here to show that the voting difference between both candidates is slight.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:40 PM
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112. I suspect that at least half of the Hillary haters here aren't even Democrats. If that's any
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 12:40 PM by oasis
help to you.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:39 AM
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4. lol. she's still losing, genius.
even with her kitchen sink approach, and she's stone broke. better send her some bucks.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:41 AM
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7. She won today, genius
despite being terribly outspent.

I don't predict she'll win - but I won't be a bit surprised when she does.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:30 AM
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22. she won in PA but not by enough,
dearie. And she won, in part, as the NYT says, by degrading the process and running an almost completely negative race, in a state with excellent demographics. I predicted a 12 pt loss for Obama in PA. In NC, I predict a 20 pt win. Madame Obliterate is still screwed.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:57 AM
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30. how much you wanna bet
that if Obama wins big in NC, the "anybody but Obama" crowd will dismiss it as meaningless because "it's his demographic" and "he was expected to win anyway?"
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:17 AM
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38. That's exactly what they will say. Oh, and NC is a small state, so it doesn't matter.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:46 AM
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44. That's true, though.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:54 AM
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48. That's true for Pennsylvania, also, but they're treating her like "the Comeback Kid"
for winning a state that she was supposed to win anyway - and by a much smaller margin than originally predicted.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:54 AM
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67. Wasn't that said about Clinton in Pennsylvania?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:04 AM
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The Clinton's will probably say "Its a black state"
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:40 AM
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6. She's lost everything
She lost Iowa. She tied NH. She lost NV. She lost SC. She lost Jan. She lost Super Tuesday. She lost February. She lost March. She's lost more states, more delegates, and is still behind in the popular vote.

SHE LOST.

Again, I just gotta say, I hope she pays well.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:43 AM
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8. That's what I dislike about her.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:45 AM by SemiCharmedQuark
She would do *anything* to win. I understand that's politics, but it still makes the bile rise. It's *why* they win, but it's a trait that I've always hated. I avoid people like that in my life whenever possible. I know it's a must for politicians and I know Obama isn't innocent in this regard either. However, I sincerely don't believe he would still be in the race if the tables were turned. On the plus side, should she secure the nomination, I am sure she won't let the GE slip away easily.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:47 AM
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12. They'll all do anything to win
the Clintons are just better at it than most.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:49 AM
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15. No, I don't think all other candidates in her spot would still be in this.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:50 AM by SemiCharmedQuark
She knows she can't win in pledged delegates and her hopes lie in getting the SDs to choose her. This is within the rules but it's a bold strategy. I don't know that other candidates would be willing to risk the party infighting that would ensue.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:43 AM
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9. The Clintons have 9 political lives.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:57 AM by NJSecularist
Never count out the Clintons. They have an almost surreal ability to rise back up from the dead. They take a punch and get up stronger than ever.

If Hillary comes back to win the nomination, it'll be the best comeback story since Nixon (and her husband, of course).
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:47 AM
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13. I think that is worth repeating over and over again .
"Never count out the Clintons".
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:52 AM
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16. Yeah, that whole Impeachment thing was a HUGE win for the Party! And then we WON Congress too!
Oh wait.....
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:06 AM
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36. Impeachment? How on earth was that the Clinton;s fault?
It was an expensive exercise in futility. And, he stayed in office.

This is the same argument the Republicans give for hating the Clintons.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:43 AM
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41. It's called Lieing...
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:57 AM
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72. It's called prosecutorial abuse by Starr in conflating the Jones case with his Whitewater probe
. . . after he'd uncovered nothing more than a failed land deal.

I didn't want to know about Clinton's sex life. I don't think Larry Klayman and his Nazi-inspired Judicial Watch had any business at all in asking Clinton about his relationship with Lewinsky. I approve of his lie. It's NONE of our business.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:58 AM
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74. We can't dance around it. Billy lied and got caught. There's a video tape too.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:00 AM
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75. so what. who was hurt? I'm more interested in the attempted theft of my vote
. . . in the republican attempt to impeach him over the petty lie.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:03 AM
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80. don't be offended your choice, the man still lied..if he lied about one thing, he'll lie about more.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 09:04 AM by ScarletSniper
In fact, he got caught in another lie yesterday, which only reinforces my opinion of him as a liar!! If he didn't lie, there'd be no grounds for impeachment..and he was, it wasn't an attempt...nice spin.

You like Bill, that's your choice, I don't. My choice. See how that works. You can praise him and I can do just the opposite. Ain't America grand!!!

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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:20 PM
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121. Only Right Wingers are hung up on the CLENIS....Hmmm!
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:06 AM
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83. How was impeachment not their fault? Are you kidding?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:10 AM
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24. I am on your wavelength!
Hillary will take this thing all the way because.....

"Failure is Impossible."
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:14 AM
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25. She had a 25 point lead cut to a 10 point victory. She was supposed to have
wrapped up the nomination by now. She was the "party" favorite

Obama was even supposed to be close

and what does Clinton have to show for it?

She is still behind in the delegate and popular vote count, and broke

What a victory

However I will give it to your candidate that she is a fighter

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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:16 AM
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26. I'm still with you Monk!
And Pennsylvania was definitely a WIN, no matter how it gets spun.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:40 AM
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27. yes, they cheat , they lie, they steal....
if you call that winning , you and I have different ideas about what winning is.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:50 AM
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28. Except when they lose.
I know, you'd rather stay in your dreamworld.
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d00mzday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:52 AM
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29. Last time I checked
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:52 AM by d00mzday
Last time I checked, Obama has been winning and Fuckin winning more than the Clintons ;)
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:58 AM
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31. and they care about our country
and what happens to all of us.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:01 AM
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33. Putin really cares about his country too.
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suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:00 AM
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32. I used to hate her. Now I really like her. She sounds more "real" lately.
She used to be so phony. Now she seems so down to business and I really like that.

To me, Obama seems more and more like a whiner. And his speeches are too broad for my taste. To me, he is not specific enough.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:02 AM
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35. Sounds more "real," as opposed to actually real.
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d00mzday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:14 AM
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37. More real?
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 06:16 AM by d00mzday
She is more real lately? In a matter of a couple of days, weeks? Bin-Laden "seems" to love america because he hasn't attacked it lately ?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:21 AM
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39. She was SUPPOSED to "win" what she has "won". Hello ! Take DEMOGRAPHICS 101.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:22 AM
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40. K&R!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:48 AM
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45. "She Pisses off all the right people" eh? Perhaps you should change your avatar to Rush
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 07:49 AM by Armstead
Yes those liberals and progressives and African Americans and others who don't believe that there should be 32 years of rule by two families.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:51 AM
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46. I Love it
:party: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:55 AM
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50. morning MF--tis a great day
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:56 AM
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51. Yup, pricks usually win.
But weasels don't.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:35 AM
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58. Ah, Mr. Civility is raising the tone again! n/t
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:22 PM
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122. Talking from experience?
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:24 AM
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52. Then you must be just wild for Karl Rove and Bush
Because they've been winning for a long time -- I guess that's a reason to love them, according to your calculation -- as long as you don't mind what they have to do to win.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:26 AM
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53. K & R
:kick:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:28 AM
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54. Easy to do when BushInc is working with you. Except now they HAVE NO MATH TO WIN.
And they've pissed off the Open Government Democrats for YEARS - you know, the part of the Democratic party that you think are the right people to piss off.

Your wing of the party wants BushInc protected into the next decade and you don't care how many lies Clintons' put up to make sure that happens.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:49 PM
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116. and is obama have the math for the magic number?????????
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:31 AM
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55. the pissing people off bit is my favorite, I admit
and, I genuinely like and admire the Clintons.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:32 AM
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56. Yes -- pissing people off is great politics -- and even better for governing
That's why GW Bush has been such a great president.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:34 AM
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57. you seem pissed
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:48 AM
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61. I've been pissed for years by the Clintons
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 08:49 AM by Armstead
So I'm not a very good barometer.

Their aggressive support for NAFTA and the whole GOP "free trade" thing, ya know..Plus their bungling of healthcare reform, deregulation of the media, privitization of public services...and their ongoing marital and financial soap opera....Oh yeah, and that little matter of helping Bush push for the Iraq War.

So she didn't have to do much work to keep me pissed off. But she's been working hard to alienate all of us "elitists" who don't agree with their conservativism. :)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:50 AM
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64. *slurp*
ahh
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:37 AM
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59. That's a big reason for her support, too.
Clinton is the ONLY Democrat who has won the Presidency in the past thirty years. And he had a knock-down, drag-out primary battle as well. But he won. And people know that, & they believe that Hillary Clinton has the same tenacity and determination to get a victory for Democrats.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:44 AM
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60. The thing I detest about the Clintons is that they CHEAT and form UNHOLY ALLIANCES ...
because with The Clintons, it's not about America or The Democratic Party in general ... with The Clintons it's PURELY about THEM. I loathe cheaters. Yes, I despise low life, crotch kickers, whether it be in "cage matches" or "politics" - IMO The USA deserves FIGHTERS (Representatives) with INTEGRITY who play by the rules.

In other words, "Clintonian Integrity" is, IMO, a contradiction in terms.

Wake up America! This isn't a Vince Lombardi hype for ratings - this is the race for the very heart and soul of our Democratic Republic.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:54 AM
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68. don't bother, you can't argue with these sellouts....
the clintons have embraced the RW tactics they cried about for so long and their supporters couldn't care less :(
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:56 AM
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70. Chuck Todd: "It is now impossible for Obama to lose his lead."
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:48 AM
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62. When people say Clinton will do anything to win...
I say, "Good." I want a Democrat who'll fight tooth and nail to destroy the Repuke choke hold on the country.

We're not going to get rid of the horrible R's with a "hands across the aisles" message.



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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:49 AM
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63. She is ahead in the popular vote! The people want her.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:00 AM
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76. lmao...delusional crack smoking dreams
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:51 AM
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65. fuckety fuckety shit fuck poo?
YEARGHHHHH!!!

the clintons look out for themselves!! WOOOOOOO!

(psst she's still losing)

:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:54 AM
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69. The thing I love about Obama...
he's winning.


Hillary can't!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:56 AM
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71. Hillary Wins....
she wins the states needed to win the White House. No matter how you bend it, Obama cannot win the White House if he can't win the big swing states. He has not done it.

Hillary wins!!!! She fights, she keeps going, she doesn't give up, she's tough, she's a winner!!!

Go Hillary!!
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:57 AM
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73. She won't win..and if it is given to her..the Dems will lose. The sooner the Clintons disappear the
better.

I'm sure Bill is missing his "comtupene," and Hillary hers...lmao
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:00 AM
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77. LOL, k&r
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:02 AM
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78. Well, if wishes were horses we would all ride.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:03 AM
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79. WHo counted them out in PA? LOL LOL LOL LOL nt
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:12 AM
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88. I think they're so used to blowing 20-point leads, when they saw she was up 20 in PA,
they thought, "oh, fuck, no chance."
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:12 AM
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91. Umm...quite a few.
Did you take a vacation?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:13 AM
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93. Who?
A few people here?

Please.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:15 AM
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95. Against the rules to call people out...
But search for PPP and yesterday's Obama by 10 thread...

:-)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:16 AM
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96. Yeah, that's what I thought... a few people on a messageboard.
Reeeeeally meaningful, that.

She blew a 20 point lead... she was *never* counted out. :rofl:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:19 AM
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100. Uggghhh....
:hangover:

I thought you meant people on here....

On the teevee, Olbermann looked a little pissed at the results ... :rofl:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:21 AM
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102. I'm sure he was! 10%? After the way she's been acting?
Guess not everyone catches on as quickly as most. :P
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:15 AM
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94. You are full of it. Regardless of the poll every single news outlet
said she was favored there because she had the Rendell "machine" and the demographics in her favor.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:16 AM
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97. Full of what?
CNN people seemed a little surprised last night...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:17 AM
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98. News doesn't matter... it's what people on message boards say that matters!
:rofl:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:19 AM
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101. Umm...
I misunderstood...

:hangover:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:22 AM
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103. Ah c'mon...
I'm only givin ya a hard time.

:hug:

hehehehe... It's really MF who should be feeling sheepish, after attempting to portray her as having been "counted out"... *snort*

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:26 AM
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106. Alright...
:hug:

It was a pretty good OP though for people on my side. :P
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:25 PM
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123. Bambi can't close the deal. Thank God
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:04 AM
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82. What about when they lose?
It's really already happened. All over but the shouting.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 10:54 AM
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85. What do you mean, "counting them out."
SHE was the one with the 20 point lead.
SHE was the one with the so-called "home court advantage."
SHE was the one who was "inevitable."

You need to have your head examined, MF. I have the number of a psychiatrist I can give you.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:10 AM
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86. I don't see how she can win this time.
Unless she is successful in changing the rules.

She would have to win 70% of the all the delegates still available in order to win. That's highly unlikely, don't you think?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:11 AM
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87. Except for the fact that, you know, she's losing.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:12 AM
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89. K&R - Exactly
Winning is the fucking best!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:12 AM
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90. The Clintons piss off all the right people?
All the Repuke commentators are celebrating this morning. The Republicans clearly want Hillary to win. They aren't pissing off the right people.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:30 AM
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108. She means it in the Joe Lieberman sense- she pisses off "the far left nut roots" and anti-war DEMS.
Pissing off "centrists" and right-wingers isnt the goal- Hillary people are still be under the vaugue illusion that the Obama Republicans are going to support Hillary-LOL!....
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:12 AM
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92. Yeah... who cares if they're corrupt status quo liars...
they're WINNERS!

They WIN STUFF!

Accountability? Who needs it! All that matters is WINNING!


Do you really not see what that perverse mindset has done to the RW over the years?

Jesus.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:17 AM
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99. That's what my friend said
I stay calm when dealing with my friends in real life who are still HRC supporters. She said, the same clips that make me turn away with disgust from Clinton are the same clips that make her love Clinton. She says Clinton is the better "politician" and knows how to fight. Obama is not a true politician: :eyes: Some people set the bar so low...
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:25 AM
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105. Is winning everything? What do we win - a candidate or president who would
obliterate millions of people? If that's the prize - I'll take losing.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:27 AM
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107. Lieberman and Bush "win" a lot too.
I'm sure they piss off all the right people as well.

BTW-2000, 2002, 2004 were not wins for the party or any DEM I know- so I'm not sure where all these "wins" that are supposed to be helping me are coming from...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 11:31 AM
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109. politics is not a fucking sport, its life and death for millions
Go watch a baseball game if all you care about is winning.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:43 PM
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113. as if you aren't obsessed with Obama winning
Why is this poster's desire to win any different from Obama supporters'? There are myriads of reasons to support a candidate. Start knocking them down and where does it stop?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:13 PM
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115. oh, I dont know, maybe because I dont want another Neocon in the White house?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:51 PM
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117. tell Obama to drop out then
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:14 PM
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118. you want to base that on ANYTHING?????
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:06 PM
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114. I agree 100%....that's one of the factors in my choice to support Hillary.
Although I didn't agree with everything that happened under the Bill Clinton presidency, I also realize the reality of what he had to work with...

And, considering those facts, he was an excellent president...and will always be remembered as such.

Thanks for this thread. :yourock:
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:16 PM
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120. Normally I'd admire such optimism.
But not when it's not based on any kind of reality. And in this case, it's not. Despite having been repeatedly accused of being sexist by Hillary supporters, I do sort of feel some sympathy for you. It's got to be hard.

Hopefully there will be a Democrat in the White House in January 2009!

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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:25 PM
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124. THAT'S RIGHT!

They WIN! And that's what we freakin need, a WIN!

After 8 long nasty years of REPUKES Hillary Clinton is the SOLUTION. She will FIGHT those fuckers and get things done and She will do it with a SMILE on her face. I am just SO impressed by her - She is fearless and FIERCE and she WILL win this nomination, count on it! Count. On. That! :bounce: :woohoo:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:31 PM
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125. Except when they lose. Just like in 31 Primary contests, and this Nomination.
When they lose, they lose like spoiled brats. Like entitled royalty. Like George W Bush.

I take great solace knowing that they will never live in the White House again.

They have no place in the People's Party.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:56 PM
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126. yep; O would have folded up his tent a long time ago if he faced what clinton faced.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:34 PM
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127. Funny.. That's one of the things I like about Obama. He wins.
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:33 PM
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129. ...
Black is white to some people

:shrug:
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:37 PM
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128. Do you also love cockroaches? How about George W. Bush?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:20 AM
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132. I think you're right about the phrase "The Clintons"
That's who you are trying to elect. Not Just Hillary. Bill is going to thry to recapture the Glory that was Bill when he was POTUS..

IF they accidentally steal the election you can look forward to Bill trying to jump in front of the camera every chance he gets. For FOUR years.

She doesn't stand a chance against that publicity whore.

:hi:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:23 AM
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133. And every Democrat around them, including the entire party, loses.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 01:23 AM by Radical Activist
The House, the Senate, Al Gore. The party was nearly dead with young voters at the end of Bill's two turns because the Clinton-era party ignored them completely. There was no thought about the future health of the party beyond Bill's two terms. They win but they win like parasites. They feed off the party's long term health for their own short term gain.

And Bill never one a majority of the vote.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:26 AM
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134. Just like Bush, eh?
Clintons win, and the people lose. The Democratic Party, loses. Party like it's 1994, because it's all good, as long as the Clintons win.

Who are these 'right people' who get pi$$ed off? Labor leaders? Democratic precinct people? Ted Kennedy?
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:46 AM
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135. The thing I love about the Clintons...
Bill
that is all...
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:51 AM
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136. That can also be interpreted as "they don't know when to stop" or "they don't know when enough
is enough." Where I come from you put those kinds of people out the door in a hurtful manner that makes a point.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:53 AM
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137. You must really love the Bushes!!!
They've got a lot more "winners" in their family and they piss off liberals and progressives too!
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:04 AM
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138. Ha, they are soon to be relegated to the dust bin of history
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 02:18 AM
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139. Everything you like about Clinton applies to Bush as well.
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