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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:01 AM
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Obama needs to drop out
In the last months of March and April, Clinton has won Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania. On the other hand Obama has captured Mississippi, Wyoming causus, and Vermont?

The winds have changed. Maybe because of the overly eager rudeness shown by Obama's young gun supporter or maybe from a lack of maturity, momentuma has shifted and Sen Clinton has caused a pause and a second look. Democrats are not likely to win Mississippi, Wyoming, and South Carolina in the general election, folks.

The growing rift between the two camps has elicited some harsh attacks on the Clinton supporters here on DU. After what I have witnessed over these last few weeks, I will go beyond not voting for Obama should he win the nomination. In that scenario, my support will go to Republican McCain.

Go Hillary Go Hillary
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:02 AM
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1. You should send her some money. nt
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:38 AM
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55. Ya. send her some money so she can pay off her campaign debt before she quits
w/o dipping into her 125 million.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:02 AM
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Austinitis Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:03 AM
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4. I'm going to use your nonsense to bump this thread.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:11 AM
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With all your HRC posts, I guess you've used up all of your own
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 03:12 AM by NewHampshireDem
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:36 AM
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27. You give credence to my arguments about
not really feeling any love loss with your campaign's support group. Your insults are a breath of fresh air. It's purifying.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:03 AM
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3. LOL.... ok....

When he wins NC by 20 and Indiana, what then?

The race includes *ALL* states that voted, not just the ones you like.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:04 AM
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5. eh
:rofl:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:05 AM
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6. All the states ought to be able to get a real vote. Isn't that why
they have primary elections?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:05 AM
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7. *snicker*
:rofl:

Just to get your facts straight. I know you want to pretend the Texas caucuses didn't happen, but they did, and as a result, Obama won more delegates total in Texas.

And he's winning more delegates total.

Not to mention Hillary's Pyrrhic victory in Pennsylvania didn't net enough delegates to solve her math problem, and pretty much wiped out her war chest.

The end result is inevitable.

Obama will be the nominee, and he will be the next President of the United States!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:55 AM
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31. Hillary only WON the popular vote in Texas by 3.5%, and they consider that BIG
But she did LOSE the delegate count, and I helped make that happen. My pro Clinton precinct ended up in the end PRO OBAMA. As a result I'm a delegate to the State Convention in June :woohoo:


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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:06 AM
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8. Your logic can't be disputed ...
... the candidate in first place should bow out, in order to make way for the loser.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:31 AM
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22. Normally, no.
But many of you are not paying attention to the obvious outside of this Barack Obama home field. Obama is winning many of the "Rush Chaos" votes in open primary states.

Besides, my loyalty does not require me to bear a cross for a core constiuency that I personally have found that I do not really like or respect.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:48 AM
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45. You're misinformed about "Rush Chaos"
You missed a post early today (yesterday, I guess) about a whole Repub family in PA who registered Democrat just to vote for HRC for the purpose of stopping Obama from running against McCain, whom they all plan to switch back and vote for in the GE for real.

That's the kind of voting Rush Chaos motivates. He's not telling ANY of his followers to go out there and vote Obama. That's not who the Republicans want to meet in the GE.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:07 AM
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9. momentum hasn't shifted
Sorry, that's stupid. When Obama wins NC by 15 next week, will that mean momentum again shifted?

Oh no, he was supposed to win NC by big numbers, so that doesn't count right?

Educate yourself a little bit, and understand that states are different. Hillary won in PA because its demographic favored her. Obama will win in NC because it's demographic favors him.

It has nothing to do with momentum.
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:38 AM
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28. It's not so much that the demographic favors HRC...
but that the old-school political machine favored her.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:23 AM
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35. Your ignorance is showing.
First of all, these people are Democrats. I don't care if they are "machine Democrats" or whatever you want to call them. Democrats, not Republicans. Obama won't look down his nose at them if he gets the nomination and needs them in November, and neither should you.

Also, anyone here who decries machine politics and says Obama's name in the same sentence is a cretin. Do you know ANYTHING about where Obama comes from? Chicago has one of the biggest, most efficient Democratic political machines in the country. Springfield is organized a bit differently, but if you think machine politics don't come into play there, you are wrong.

"Machine politics" are in Obama's blood. Get a clue.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:33 AM
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39. Obama can't win the GE if he can't do well with PA's demographics
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 04:34 AM by jackson_dem
This is why PA was such a big deal. The supers now have near confirmation of this. Ohio and other states were no flukes. Obama had 7 weeks and $11 million on tv ads alone to make the case and he still lost by double digits.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:33 AM
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51. She did NOT win by double digits!
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us / Not by a longshot, I believe even with rounding up we arrive at a Clinton win of 8.5%! Hardly the double digit blowout she had hoped for or her supporters keep tauting.

next:
Obama campaign EARNED 3 times what the Clinton campaign earned during the weeks leading up to the PA election. Obama's goal was to move up from a 20 point deficit in a state that by rights should have been an easy blowout for Senator Clinton. She had to spend everything she had and then some in order to squeak out that 8.5% victory! He did not have to spend his war-chest to get the all important gains he made tonight.

lastly:
Sorry that 'win' for Senator Clinton was negligible without the spin and if truth be told translates into a fairly substantial defeat for her. Of course you are welcome to keep spreading Pat Buchanan's spin if you wish. He made your very points late during the returns as an MSNBC analyst and naturally Rachel Maddow shot him down for using them. If you go to the official PA link I provided you will see that Senator Obama clearly outperformed Senator mCcain by two to one! So if even one half of those who voted for Senator Clinton in PA turn out for Senator Obama in November he will beat mCcain in a landslide! Senator Obama has nothing to worry about in PA come November. (Not that the MSM or Pat Buchanan would tell you that.)





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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:08 AM
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10. lol
Anyone else notice that a lot of freepers have issues with the spell-check button as well as grammar? I am lately becoming concerned that it may be a communicable disease.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:09 AM
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11. Here ......
People who claim they would vote for John McCain over either of the two remaining Democratic candidates are either not progressive or not thinking straight. If you post this, you are basically daring the mods to give you a tombstone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Fine vote for McSame but you won't be around here to tell about it.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:09 AM
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12. Great post! Or it would be if Up were Down and Left were Right.
Otherwise, it's actually sorta crappy.

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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:10 AM
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13. In BTL
I will go beyond not voting for Obama should he win the nomination. In that scenario, my support will go to Republican McCain.


What do you want on your pizza?
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yewberry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:11 AM
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14. Go ahead and vote for McCain, then.
Betray all that is good and important in the Democratic platform, allow more republican appointments to the Supreme Court, and ignore the destruction of the protections in the Constitution.

Thanks for your support. My air and water quality, rights as a citizen, and standing on the world stage really appreciate your abandonment.

Congrats on your decision to support John McCain.

Asshole.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:13 AM
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21. Asshole?
I mean, really. Is that all you've got?

How about Ass Carrot? Fuckwad? Shit stain?

Asshole just isn't enough to describe the author of the OP.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:11 AM
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15. I agree with the first poster. Better send her some money
Mark Penn is probably getting a little testy. $2300 would help. :)
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:12 AM
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16. Good points
In it to win it.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:12 AM
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17. I'll never vote for McCain...
but I sure as hell will stay home if Clinton "wins" the nomination. But don't worry, I never liked her and would never have voted for her to begin with even though I do like Bill and would vote for him.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:31 AM
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38. Staying home is the same as a vote for McCain.
Don't condemn the OP if you won't vote for the nominee if it is not St. Obama.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:36 AM
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41. I hope you'll reconsider, if only for the other races on the ballot
In TX, our Presidential votes are meaningless anyway, but our party seems to be slowly gaining some ground on the local and state levels and those candidates could likely use your vote. I agree with you in being hopeful that Clinton is not our nominee, though.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:13 AM
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18. Off to greatest page with yer nonsense
Let everyone else get a giggle.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:13 AM
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19. Would you like some pepperoni on that?
BTW... you're a moron. :hi:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:13 AM
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20. We're supposed to take advice from a McCain supporter?
Why would I listen to someone who promotes a right-wing warmaniac?
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:32 AM
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23. This is a DUZY attempt right???
Oh, ok I get it now... boy, for a minute there I thought the OP was being series!!!1!1!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:33 AM
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24. The neurosis is peaking!
I bet I could cook an egg on your forehead right about now.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:33 AM
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25. Silly Rabbit... Trix are for Kids
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:35 AM
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26. Obama doesn't need advice from people who are voting for McDinosaur
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:47 AM
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29. what is it with you hillary supporters...
I supported the Clinton's all during Bill's time in office...but when she started running for the big spot she has used Rove's handbook...

She tries to blame it on Obama for the negative stuff...but it's been her...if you can't see it I'm sorry to say this to you but she will not get the nomination...people are tired of the negative shit...and that's exactly what she's been doing...

The time for Rove politics is over and done with...so she won PA...she is still behind on delegate counts...

She has totally turned me off to the Clintons...I respected them...with all my heart because America was doing great...everyone had a job, a home, and money in their pockets...but she has used the Rove handbook of campaining...and many more like me are tired of it...

Congrats on the win...but it's not going to be enough...

I hope that all of you Hillary supporters can stand behind Obama when he takes it to McCain...cause we will need each and every one of you to make sure that we don't have 4 more years of the same ol' republican bullshit...

thank you...
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:49 AM
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30. She did NOT win Texas...get it straight. She's behind in states, delegates, popular vote & money.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:01 AM
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32. So what you're saying is,
you'd base your vote in a national election on how supporters of one candidate treated supporters of another on an Internet message board?

Do you realize how pathetic that is? Seriously?
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:06 AM
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33. no...
I'm saying that Hillary has turned many people off because she has been putting out all the negative shit...she's doing exactly what what the Bush camp did in 2000 and 2004...and people are tired of it...

She won PA...but that's not enough...she needs to quit while she's behind...
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:25 AM
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36. I wasn't criticizing your post
I was objecting to this statement from the OP:

>>>>The growing rift between the two camps has elicited some harsh attacks on the Clinton supporters here on DU. After what I have witnessed over these last few weeks, I will go beyond not voting for Obama should he win the nomination.>>>>

Anyone "Democrat" threatening to vote for McCain is, frankly, a piece of shit, IMHO. Threatening to stay home and not vote is one thing, but to vote for the Repug out of spite- especially due to things that happened on a freakin' Internet message board is just pathetic.

I basically agree with the premise of your post. However, I don't think Clinton has any plans to quit before the convention, regardless of what effect this has on the party's prospects for victory in November. I'm hoping the nastiness isn't going to totally destroy our chances for this November, but things aren't looking that great.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:08 AM
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34. How does this crap get onto the greatest page?
How are you even allowed to still post on DU? Talking about voting for McCain. What a bunch of crap.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:26 AM
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37. who would he give his 40 million to then......
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:41 AM
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44. Rainy day fund.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:56 AM
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49. then he wouldn't be able to make an oasis......
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aaroh Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:34 AM
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40. puuuuhha hhaha hahaha hhah ahahah a hahahh ahah ahah ahah ahah ahaha hahahhaha hahahha ahhah nt
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:38 AM
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42. He really should drop out now and preserve his future chances.

It will hurt him in the future if he loses the nomination.

If he manages to win the nomination, and loses the election, that will hurt him worse.

In either case, a negative perception about black candidates
would also be established, making it impossible for a good black candidate to win for some years, maybe decades.

A lot of dirt about Obama will come out if he stays in the race and none of it is good for blacks in the U.S.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:40 AM
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43. Where do you hail from?!! .. Honest.... You and the OP should STFU.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:51 AM
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47. The same could be said regarding Clinton's possible influence
on future female Presidential candidates. I wouldn't agree with whoever would claim it, but it makes about as much sense as your assertion.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:50 AM
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46. Clinton did not win Texas. Two-step process, not one-step. N/T
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:53 AM
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48. sorry, hill's still screwed. it wasn't a big enough win and she's broke
she's on track to lose by 20 in NC.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:38 AM
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50. You are a Republican
Not all Republicans are going to cross over to the Democratic Party and support Obama. But lets not keep pretending Hillary Clinton is a Democrat, OK?
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d00mzday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:33 AM
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52. Obama needs to drop out? Learn to count and get real.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 06:41 AM by d00mzday
Let me get this strait. Obama is leading and he should drop out? According to your theory I should be a Lotto winner because I got 2 out of six numbers? I deserve the jackpot more than the person who has all the numbers because you said so? I never heard Mr Obama claim it was his firewall state, or that he shot lame ducks there. Mr Obama set out to do what he needed, and that was narrow the gap and split the state. Spin it any way you want choose McCain if you want but don't cry when the country gets lead down the current path its going all because your self centered, and ignorant in your hate. Its time for true change and sometimes that leads down a unknown path when your at a crossroads, but we have traveled down the Clinton's Nafta road and it has lead us here. It was not the work of one man.

Obama for change!
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:49 AM
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57. Ya know what d00mzday?
You keep posting stuff like this and you will fit in just fine. Just fine indeed! Welcome to the Democratic Underground.
:toast: to you on a great first post!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:36 AM
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53. Attacker pretends to be victim. Hello Karl. By all means, the leader should withdraw.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 06:36 AM by mmonk
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:36 AM
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54. You better go back and recheck the Texas delegate count.
Obama's still ahead in every measure and has a mountain of money. Winning in a "home" state isn't as if she went into a heavily-favored Obama state and got a win. If she takes North Carolina by 10 pts. that would get my attention.
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Neverarepublican Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:47 AM
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56. LOL I think you meant to say the Clinton needs to drop out
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FunkyLeprechaun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:26 AM
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58. Like I said
If Clinton won PA by less than 10% (she did), she should drop out. She no longer needs to be in the race. It's now mathematically impossible for her to catch up with Obama (she needs to win 71% in the remaining contests, and even in KY and WVa that's just impossible (I can see her winning 60% in those, not 71%).

All we need is to be behind Obama, our nominee, to beat McCain.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:27 AM
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59. Locking.
Duly noted.

Heidi,
DU Moderator
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