Barack did NOT out-spend Hillary in PA by 3-to-1... He out-RAISED her by 3-to-1

[DeadElephant_ORG]

Since when did a candidate's comparative inability to raise money become a mark of superior electability?

Obama's financial strength is a direct expression of the mass movement of small donors which he created out of NOTHING! In contrast, the bulk of Clinton's cash has come from a small number of super-rich party insiders. Her inside donors are so in the thrall of their own importance that they threatened in writing to bolt the Democratic Party if the Supers didn't meet their demands. Some "Democrats", eh?

It's laughable that Clinton supporters now wear their candidate's impoverishment as a badge of honor. If she was electable, she'd have money.

[grantcart]

1. exactly correct

Of course if Hillary had it she would not have spent it on principle lol

[chknltl]

2. Sorry to have to ask but:

Links??? I would truly like to see your data, not because I doubt it but because it makes a great counter argument. btw, I got the first rec and by the time I finally post this your thread will likely be on greatest page.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

4. I've read various comparative estimates ranging from 2-and-half-to-1, to 4-to-1

Those are the relative amounts that the two campaigns spent in PA. I'm saying that Obama was able to spend more than Clinton because he had better financial resources, because he has broader support than Clinton. Obama is not some independently super-rich candidate funding his own campaign - a la Mitt Romney. Obama's money represents the huge mass of people with whom he has connected, and whom he has inspired. I don't know what portion of his campaign chest (which, by the way, is the largest in history) was donated by Pennsylvanians specifically.

[chknltl]

9. Ok, got it.

big sigh, I was hoping for a nice link with charts and graphs and what-nots.

As to the campaign incomes, I agree with you, I have seen plenty of evidence that you are right. I have not seen what got spent though but I suspect that Senator Clinton spent everything she could in order to stay in the race. Someone should put it together with those bars and graphs and what-nots just to keep us anal-retentive types happy. (Likely find it over at Huffington Post tomorrow)

[DeadElephant_ORG]

10. sorry... I do bars and charts all day.... I just can't continue it at night. n/t

[Triana]

3. Her money came from drug and insurance companies and their lobbyists...

..she got MORE money from lobbyists (drug/insurance) than ANY other candidate who has run since this campaign began. And she's spent all of it and then some running as a Republican on the Dem ticket and trying to fool everyone about that. People aren't buying it. And they're NOT paying for it either. Only the corprats are - and their lobbyists, mostly.

Obama's money largely came from donations from people like you and me. WE outraised Hillary 3-to-1!

YES

WE

CAN ...

and

WE

DID! :)

[DeadElephant_ORG]

11. so why hasn't he nailed her as the corporate candidate?

She was on the board of Walmart, for God's sake!

[earth mom]

5. Obama's got all that money & still can't close the deal. That's what REALLY matters. nt

[DeadElephant_ORG]

6. If he hasn't "closed the deal" then Hillary sure as HELL hasn't. n/t

[TTUBatfan2008]

8. Hillary had a $100+ million warchest...

in 2007. She expected it to be completely FINISHED in her favor by Super Tuesday, February 5th. Why didn't she close the deal?

[DeadElephant_ORG]

14. "closed the deal" is a bullshit meme

[David__77]

12. He'll close the deal when he gets the most delegates.

And that will most assuredly happen. No one is denying it's been a close contest. But he will win in the end.

[Catherina]

19. What really matters is that Hillary doesn't have enough supporters

or her supporters don't believe in her enough tofork over cold cash.

Take your pick.

[TTUBatfan2008]

7. That's the worst thing about the spin...

they're trying to claim that somehow he had this money handed to him. He's no Mitt Romney, as you said. He is raising funds from average Americans just like Hillary is. He just has a hell of a lot more of them giving to his campaign. That shouldn't be used as a knock on him to try to belittle him. In fact, it's pretty damn stupid to try to belittle his donors. But I suppose she couldn't give a rat's ass since she would take the public funding ($85 million) and be pretty happy with that.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

13. exactly. unlike Romney, Obama's money tells us something important.

[bobbert]

15. Being out spent is a good thing, it's like a tornado, all spin and damage to immediate surroundings

[TragedyandHope]

16. Just starting to notice the Clinton illogic?

Did you know that maintaining a consistent second place position in this race somehow makes her the only candidate with a chance of winning in November?

Remember when she hinted at offering Obama the VP slot?

I could go on...

[BlueIdaho]

17. T H A N K Y O U for this moment of clarity! NT.

[Cha]

18. hilary doesn't have as much money

as Obama. So we should have a little pity party for hilary.

:nopity: :nopity:

[Austinitis]

20. It's not a badge of honor for Clinton: it's an embarasment for Obama

Seriously, Pennsylvania is like Obama's Vietnam. He sunk tons of time, money, and resources in and got nothing out.

[redqueen]

21. Nothing? He cut her lead by 16 in her HOME STATE, but that's nothing?

He forced her to spend money she doesn't even have... but that's nothing?

Oh, dear...

[Austinitis]

22. Have you LOOKED at the polls?

Seriously. Try it for the first time.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html#polls

OBAMA DIDN'T MOVE AT ALL THE LAST TWO WEEKS GOING IN. Seriously. What was he doing with all that time and money there? Certainly he wasn't making progress.

[redqueen]

23. That matters how? He cut her lead by 16 points in her home state.

The fact that her shit-flinging slowed him down didn't change the fact that she blew a 25+ point lead in her HOME STATE.

[Austinitis]

24. It didn't "slow" - IT STOPPED.

He got NOTHING those last two weeks. All those millions and millions of dollars. All of the man hours from volunteers. All of the time he personally spent there. That whole two weeks, NOTHING.

That raises HUGE questions.