Brokered convention = draft Gore

[Cronus Protagonist]

Highest scoring candidate from the last two gets to be VP. Deal?

[TwilightGardener]

1. Stupid shit.

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. haha, he's the unity candidate.

Didn't your side want "unity" a few weeks ago? Gore/Obama would be an awesome ticket. VP Obama would be an excellent candidate in 8 years. No Clintons involved. Dynasty over. Anti-War. Pro-Environment. Cute enough to fuck and/or have a beer with. They would have everything going for them.

[TwilightGardener]

18. Obama's an excellent candidate now. Better than Gore ever was.

[Cronus Protagonist]

28. I don't know about THAT, but he's a lot better than Kerry or Dean

And possibly than Hillary, but who knows?

[TTUBatfan2008]

23. Obama says he won't run for Prez again after this year...

Perhaps he's BSing, but Michelle has also said that this is it for him. I don't think she wants to go through it again, which means Barack would likely not run again. It's not just about him, it's about what she's gone through during the campaign as well.

[Cronus Protagonist]

29. Politicians always say that kind of thing at some point in their career

And the lure of power, fame, fortune is often too great to be held back by such fleeting feelings.

[Andrea]

86. I hadn't heard that

What context was that in? TIA

[Guaranteed]

2. Yes, please. nt

[babylonsister]

3. No way. He's not interested, for starters. nt

[Andrea]

64. You're mistaken on that

He has never closed the door on serving as President. In fact, he said in Oslo to CNN, "I haven't ruled out the idea of getting back into the political process at some point in the future. I don't expect to. But if I did get back, it would be as a candidate for president, not in any other position." (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0712/10/sitroom .... )

[DUyellow]

4. Not a chance

[Cronus Protagonist]

10. Yeah, perhaps, but I have a dream and I know I'm not the only one

[Andrea]

57. You are far from the only one

The more people that hear about it, the more people that like it.

[Cant trust em]

5. I love Al. If he would have stepped in in January, then I would have supported him.

But this would be the least democratic thing I could imagine.

[Cronus Protagonist]

13. A Democratic consensus would be awesome

And inspiring to all.

[Cant trust em]

17. I had a sigh of disappointment when I read your response

I don't know what else to say.

[ampad]

6. Oh please

Not this again

[newmajority]

7. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a Gore/Obama ticket

But that's a bit premature. Why would Hillary start a convention fight if she knew she STILL wouldn't be able to steal the nomination, anyway?

[Cronus Protagonist]

14. Maybe she doesn't know that?

And neither do you. This is American politics. The most cut-throat competition on the planet. More cut-throat than the Olympics and with less rules.

[newmajority]

21. I know how to use a calculator.

Apparently Mrs. Clinton and her supporters don't.

The superdelegates will be using theirs though. Mostly to determine how many votes they will lose, if they start acting like the Bush Crime Family wing of the Supreme Court.

[Cronus Protagonist]

33. Don't you think if there was NO chance at all, NONE, that HIllary would drop out?

I do. So there must be some way she can win. My ignorance in the matter is clear - I defer to the master campaigner, Bill and Herself for their expertise. She's still raising money, so I wonder when I hear that lay people on DU with calculators are better at this than the Clinton political machine.

Still, you may be right. I don't know myself. I tend to think the campaign staff would know, and I'm sure if that was truly the case, the Obama camp would be trumpeting it from the hills and Hillary would have to step down.

[Andrea]

53. She doesn't need to

In order for this to happen, all that needs to take place is for both Obama and Clinton to stay in and about one third of the currently undeclared super delegates to sit out the first ballot.

[bluetrain]

9. I like draft Kucinich with Dolly Parton as VP.

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. lol :P

That made me laugh out loud. Nonetheless, a sure-fire winning ticket, I bet

[bluetrain]

22. Really, who could vote against Dolly Parton? Senate sessions could begin with a hootnanny...

I can dream, too.

[Cronus Protagonist]

27. She's conservative, he's liberal....

She could push his head into her tits on stage during the campaign. They'd be a sure fire crossover winner.

[bluetrain]

34. See, this is the kind of political circus I can get behind.

DENNIS & DOLLY '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. Ya know, it has a ring to it as well - Vote for Dennis and Dolly!!

Dream ticket.

[bluetrain]

40. We must begin canvassing immediately!

[Andrea]

54. That ticket couldn't win

They are both too short.

[bluetrain]

61. No, it's perfect; you won't be able to tell how short either of them are when

standing next to each other And with her boobs and his UFOs hovering overhead everyone will be too distracted to disagree with them. It's a winner!

[Andrea]

65. I've got to admit you've got a point there

If they get the nomination, I'll vote for them. She can sing much better than Cheney, too.

[Uncle Joe]

72. I would love to see them make a movie together,

but the children shouldn't be allowed to watch it.

[Andrea]

74. From your mouth to God's ears!

Wouldn't that be great? A really big budget production with an all-star cast. I smell Oscar!

[Uncle Joe]

81. Umm,

I was being a little bit naughty there, I don't think God would support the movie, I had in mind and they don't give Oscars for them either.


Don't get me wrong though, I like Kucinich and Parton is ok.

[Andrea]

85. I knew you were

and I was being a little silly.

[Uncle Joe]

91. Alrighty then,

party on.

[BalancedGoat]

11. Could we win?

Do you think we could win like that? Personally I doubt it with how much coverage the national media is devoting to the race. If we had a brokered convention like that I think the response would be "WTF? We didn't vote for you." and the voters proceed to stay home in droves.

[Andrea]

56. Not when Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Biden and Dodd and Dean

and on and on get behind it and endorse it.

[elocs]

12. No deal. I thought this nonsense would be over by now.

Our nominee will either be Clinton or Obama, two people who have wanted the nomination and have worked hard to get it. Gore has shown zero interest in the nomination and has said he is not interested, but so many evidently do not believe him. Besides, it will not be a brokered convention so this is, as Hillary says, speculating on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. Albert has NOT ruled it out

In fact, he's been VERY cagey about getting back into politics. Heck. he would win as a write-in candidate in the general election.

We may need him for that.

[Andrea]

58. You are absolutely correct

He has said he does not plan to return to politics, but if he does it will be as a candidate for president and in no other capacity. Why would he make such a specific statement if he absolutely wouldn't consider it?

[donheld]

19. You cannot be that stupid!

How many ways does Mr Gore need to say he does NOT WANT TO RUN?

[Andrea]

59. Well, at least one

See above - he has NOT ruled it out.

[lutefisk]

20. It is possible.

And it would be the best thing for the Nation.

Gore would win. . . Clinton or Obama,not so much.

[donheld]

24. 60 minutes transcripts

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb200804...


STAHL: Sorry, didn't want to be the one to be the first to tell you. Have you completely, totally put the idea of the presidency behind you once and for all?
GORE: Well, well, first of all, 60 is the new 59, so this is a new world that we're in.
STAHL: So you're a young man, a young man.
GORE: I doubt very seriously that I'll ever be a candidate again.
STAHL: He says he's fallen out of love with politics. He's selling a cause now. No consultants telling him what to say or how to dress.
GORE: We all seem to learn the most from the most painful experiences. And would that it were not so. But it is so. And the old cliche "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is sometimes true. And so, when you go through a lot, you do have an opportunity to learn a lot. And I think I've been very fortunate.

To watch it

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtm...

[Cronus Protagonist]

37. Yup, it would be a slam-dunk

No question about it. And it would set Obama up for an unopposed run in 8 years. Gore would fix the fucked-up old nag of a country and Obama would ride the pony into the sunset.

16 years virtually guaranteed Democratic!

[Andrea]

69. 16 Years of a Democratic Presidency

Would do so much good for all of us and the whole world!

[Andrea]

67. Right

That's my thing - he'd be best for the party, the nation and the world.

[Frank Booth]

25. I'd take it.

They can give Hillary some vanity position to make her happy. National spokesperson on drug abuse awareness, or something like that.

[Cronus Protagonist]

38. She could take over Laura's job.... what is it?

National Library Promoter or something

[Frank Booth]

39. Yeah, that would be another good job for her.

Maybe throw in the chairmanship of the President's Council on Physical Fitness too, just to make sure she's happy.

[Andrea]

73. In order to get her to agree,

and increase the unity, we need to make her a partner in the deal. The talk I've heard is Senate Majority Leader and/or first nominee to the Supreme Court.

Besides, I want to be the National Library Promoter!

[Cronus Protagonist]

94. You know, Hillary for Supreme Court Justice would be awesome!

No denying that. I think even Hillary haters wouldn't balk at that.

[Andrea]

97. I think so, too

I'm not a big fan of her, but I think she would be good on the Supreme Court. She has the mind and the temperment for it, and we could trust her not to rubber stamp anyone.

[RiverStone]

26. Gore = I'm happy with my day job!

Forget it!

The only thing a brokered convention would = is a clusterfuck of major proportions.

[Sensitivity]

30. If Obama does not STOP Hillary, may as well give it to Gore. She will not let Obama get it.

[Swamp Rat]

31. NeoGore is the One

[Cronus Protagonist]

41. haha, I love that pic :P

n/t

[BeyondGeography]

32. Tipper Gore is done with politics

which means Al is, too.

[bhikkhu]

36. Not this again...

Gore is Mr. "I will serve if I must"...he doesn't really want the job now, and I think he has found his purpose in life. I have more respect for him now than ever, but he is more free to act and influence if he is not the president.

Give it a rest...Gore is not running, and it is no accident that Gore is not running.

[mmonk]

42. I wouldn't mind but it wouldn't be fair to all the people

that worked and volunteered for their respective campaigns.

[Cronus Protagonist]

48. Well, that's the nature of politics

All the Kucinich volunteers work, Edwards people, the others too. All for nothing. However, we're only talking here in the case where there is no clear winner and the voting produces no clear winner. At that point, none of the volunteers' work would have been fruitful, but the most popular candidate paired with Gore would reward the best candidate's efforts and respect the process.

Mind you, if that candidate happens to be Hillary, I don't think Albert will want to go along with it.... not sure, but I hear he doesn't like either of the Clintons these days.

[merbex]

60. And how old is that poster? Geez, if we based nominations on how hard the

candidates' supporters wanted "Their guy or gal to win" there's a new yardstick I've never heard before.

I. WANT.THE. BEST.CANDIDATE. THAT.BEATS. MCSAME. AND.UNIFIES. THE. PARTY.

If it's Gore I'm all for it.

[Fox Mulder]

43. Brokered convention = GOP win in November.

[Cronus Protagonist]

50. Yeah, right, the GOP couldn't win in November against a tailor's dummy

They're OUT, we're IN.

[Andrea]

80. Not if we handle it right

Turn their own game right back on them. They are all set to swiftboat either Obama or Clinton. Suddenly, Gore is the candidate and the GOP is standing there mumbling.

[cbayer]

95. What makes you say that?

The last true brokered convention was in 1932. FDR won the nomination and went on to win the GE four times. That worked out pretty well, don't you think?

[RBInMaine]

44. THESE SILLY OUT OF REALITY PIPE DREAM POSTS ARE GETTING OLD.

[grantcart]

45. no

[Zachstar]

46. These Draft Gore threads get sillyer every day

[shomino]

47. I only wish Gore would've run.

I definitely would've supported him, but he didn't, so...

OBAMA '08!

[democrattotheend]

49. Highest scoring from the last 2?

That makes no sense. If gore is going to be the nominee and Clinton or Obama will be VP, it should be the one who has won the most delegates in all of the contests, not just the last 2 primaries.

[Cronus Protagonist]

51. The last two candidates

Apparently I was not clear.

[democrattotheend]

99. Ah, ok, gotcha.

Sorry, misunderstood. I wasn't sure why you thought Montana and South Dakota should be the only states that matter (although Obama will probably win both, so I wouldn't mind that!)

[Cronus Protagonist]

100. haha, it was not clear at all

I thought the subject of my post was the last two candidates so somehow that muddled up my head when I posted it. Too late to change it now.

[cali]

52. nope. no deal. I will not vote for

someone installed by insiders, throwing out millions of votes. and the irony here is a riot.

[merbex]

77. Then you'll be watching the Convention still trying to find a candidate

come Halloween...unless your candidate shows up in Denver with the number to put him over the top we are looking at multiple ballots.

What's your limit on ballots in Denver?

I've asked you that before and you've never answered.

Mine's 6

[cali]

79. There is no reason to believe it will go to the convention.

Particularly now after PA. 9 pts just wasn't enough for Hillary to change the trajectory. There have been numerous stories about SD determination for this NOT to go to the convention. They'll let this play out until the voting ends and then they'll put someone- almost certainly Obama- over the top. Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Corzine have all made that clear. And Obama needs only about 80 of the remaining SDs if he wins SC and OR as projected. It's just delusional to think that the SDs are going to wait until Denver. I've made that clear to you- repeatedly.

[npincus]

55. too late. Go-BAMA!

[billyoc]

62. Gore again?

[Andrea]

63. You are going to catch a lot of flak

over this, but I salute you for proposing the best solution.

[cali]

70. sigh. confusing opinion with fact. again.

if you think the flak is relegated to DU, I'm afraid you'll be sadly disappointed.

[Cronus Protagonist]

92. Oh well, someone has to keep the party going :P

[crispini]

66. Either Obama or Clinton would have to be convinced that they should go for #2.

I kind of doubt either one of them would buy it, so, no sale.

The "It goes to the convention and Savior Al Gore steps right on in!" is political junkie masturbatory fanfiction with no basis in the political realities of the day.

[rodbailey]

76. And do you think either of them can win?

A draft at the Convention is certainly not out of the question. I suspect things would be worked out before hand and Obama and Clinton would be on board (or at least Obama would). If you were Obama, had the most delegates, etc., and then coming into the convention the Clintons put enough pressure on enough super delegates to get her the nomination, would you rather take the VP slot with a sure winner in Nov. (Gore) or simply get pushed aside. That might be enough incentive for Obama to get behind what would be sort of a win-win for him and keep Hillary out of the White House.

[cali]

88. this is like watching a little kid spin a fantastic

story. Why do you believe it's going to the convention? have you even listened to what Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Frank and others have said? over and over again they've said this isn't going to the convention, that it'll be settled by June. do you think they might actually know more than you? Do you realize that there are only 250 or so SDs left uncommitted?

[Cronus Protagonist]

93. Well, if neither can swing enough delegates at the convention...

The realization that a compromise must be reached will set in pretty quickly. That's when a tertium quid comes into play.

http://cronus.com/gore

[Andrea]

101. Unlike some of their more extreme supporters,

they understand how the game is played and they know that the most important thing is to win in November.

[rodbailey]

68. You are so correct

it makes my teeth hurt. This is the only way the Dems. bring some dignity and a winning candidate to the election in Nov. When looking at some of the data from the exit polls last night in PA, it seems clear that with either Clinton or Obama, a good portion of Dems. supporting their favorite candidate won't support the other one - would either stay home or vote for McShame. What has the Party devolved to when this happens. So, Gore has to be the solution. There is a Yahoo group organizing to try to lobby super delegates (see my signature line for the link). You can join there and help us; or just go there to see what we are trying to do. And, stay tuned for more information shortly on the next step in this effort.

[cali]

75. codswallop. how do you know that more people wouldn't stay home

if Gore were installed and their votes tossed out? People are speaking in the heat of the moment now. Gore will not be the solution and if they try and foist him on me, I'll be in Denver marching. I will not vote for someone who didn't get a single vote in the primaries. And Howard Dean will NEVER go for it.

[rodbailey]

78. Because in recent polls,

Gore's favorability ratings beat Obama's, Clinton's, and McCain's. I think he would gather a lot of Independent support; some moderate Republicans, and a much higher number of Dems. than either Obama or Clinton. Only the political junkies (like those of us gazing at our navels here at DU) will reflect back on how Gore got there, they'll just vote for him because of his stature and positions on lots of issues - the war, universal/single payer health insurance, cleaning up the Administration, etc.

[cali]

83. That is really immaterial, as he's not a candidate.

it's not within the same context. Do you actually believe that their won't be millions of black voters who will turn away if this happens? Millions of women? I think you're absolutely wrong to believe that people won't care how he got there. And it would never, ever work if both Clinton and Obama didn't support it. What reason do you have to believe that they'd simply acquiesce? I'm afraid you have a very bad case of hero worship and project it onto everyone else.

[merbex]

96. You know how people used to get a sense of what ordinary people

,people who don't follow politics like we do here, think and discuss?

They'd head to the barbershop,hairdresser,local diner and watering hole and raise questions or speculate.

I did that yesterday.

At the hairdresser's in a town in MA that went about 65% for HC over BO and raised the possibility of a Gore draft.

People loved it.

Purely anectdotal, I know, but there is deep disillusionment about both HC and BO and Gore is highly thought of.

I challenge you to ask "normal"people about this idea.

Because here, we are preaching to each sides' partisans.

There is a whole other world out there.

[Andrea]

98. That's cool

I'm going to do that first chance I get. What a good idea!

[cali]

102. I don't doubt your anecdote, but I think you're flat wrong if you

don't think there are millions of people who would hate the idea. Peaople who have donated and volunteered. AAs. young people, women. I know you think everyone just loves Gore, but many people just aren't that interested in him. People are invested in their candidates. And it's true, most of the people I know are pretty political, but they count, and they would not be happy at all.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

71. Pass the heroin.

Please.

[Danger Mouse]

82. Sure, let's piss off Hillary supporters AND Obama supporters! What a FANTASTIC idea!

[cali]

84. Check out the Gore group

pretty delusional. hero worship on steroids.

[Danger Mouse]

87. i'd rather not...GD:P is bad enough...it absolutely AMAZES me...

how fucking delusional they are...how can they NOT see what a bad idea it would be to do that? i mean, hell, it would be mccain's wet dream!

[Andrea]

89. You'll never know how much you inspire me!

[cali]

90. glad you're inspired though

I think it's better to be inspired to do something that's possible. Andrea, do you know how many delegates Obama now has?